Wolves Vs Belle Vue Tues 7th April

[orion]

Well that'll be me all wrong then!!

Rock solid on paper - but the same old story on track!!

Yeah just an honest opinion, but not far from the truth?

After one meeting ....Jesus. talk about boasting to soon ..

Edited April 7, 2015 by orion

[BWitcher]

Good win for Wolves again, despite the efforts of their team manager.. or lack thereof.

 

It's really quite simple.. Blackbird is by far the better rider, he should be having 5 rides. Especially when you are trailing by 4!

 

Yes Bates won a race against Cook.. that will happen occasionally.. but Blackbird is head and shoulders the better rider.

 

Matters not as we won this time, but these decisions, or lack thereof can cost you matches.

 

Similarly.. PK coming out in blue and excluded? PK should know better but surely to hell the team manager should be observing such things!

[DizzAssStar]

After one meeting ....Jesus. talk about boasting to soon ..

 

Wouldn't expect anything less from 'Dick' Skidder!

[New Science]

How did Belle Vue not win that meeting let alone not even get a point.With Lindgren on 6 from 4 rides and the young Pole on 3 points after 4 rides you simply have to step in and win.I feel stronger teams may not be so generous at Monmore in the future.Can see Wolves and Belle Vue occupying the bottom 3 places along with leicester.

[Fromafar]

belle view have 2 of the pl top riders and still they cant grind a result out of the meeting..just goes to prove when josh bates is not binning it and punching walls. he can do it. poor performance from the 2 top guys . cook saving himself for the polish league and the odd pl meeting.same old belle vue dross. served up in different dressing..long season for the aces.just my opinion of course.

Cook is very overrated ,easily upset then takes the hump.He is as good as he is going to be.

[stevebrum]

I thought at first we were gifting the points on a plate to the Aces!

Freddie was nowhere in Heat 1, then our reserves got outgated in Heat 2. THEN what a schoolboy error to send PK out in the wrong helmet colour and he rightly got excluded from Heat 4. All was not lost but that could have been a 5-1 instead of the 4-2 we got.

Freddie looking ill at ease at Monmore is a rare sight. But to see him go from 1^st to 4^th in the space of a lap in Heat 7? And can any trivia fan tell me the last time Freddie opened with 2 duck eggs??

After 7 heats our top 2 had scored precisely nothing.

The crowd were stunned into silence and I heard rumblings of leaving before things got any worse.

However what was to follow showed the inner Wolf and hopefully the shape of more to come.

No Belle Vue rider won a heat after Heat 7.

The battle between Wells and Cook in Heat 9 proved an absorbing one. Cook giving up after nearly hitting the fence on lap 3.

Then perhaps the biggest surprise saw Wolves outgate the Aces unbeaten number one in Heat 10. Musielak showing why he is scoring freely in Poland with some good speed although he needs to start mastering coming out of the tight bends. A lift on the 2^nd lap with Jacob alongside him could have been disastrous for both but he got the wheel down but allowed Zagar to close in a little. Jacob riding a superb line for 2 laps to deny the GP star.

Heat 13 we could have been sailing into 50+ territory with both Wolves leading Zagar. Again Jacob did everything right thwarting Zagar at every opportunity – right up until the last lap when he drifted a bit too wide out the 2^nd bend which allowed Zagar to slip in and speed into the 3^rd bend. Jacob down and a potential maximum turned into a drawn heat.

Heat 15 had everything that a top race should have. Freddie had to battle to pass Scott who continued to push hard. PK defending hard against Zagar who was always looking to make a pass.

 

NEGATIVES – We need to get out the traps from the off – there was some awful sluggish starts. PK admitted the boys were a bit nervous early on.

 

POSITIVES – Every rider took at least one heat win. Reserves who can make a difference.

 

WOLVES

 

FREDDIE – started like he was on one of Woffy`s old Monmore bikes but then owned Monmore in the next 3. 3.5/5

 

RICKY – Looked quick all through the meeting. Got beaten up by Nicholls in his last race but was still chasing. Did his job well. 4/5

 

TOBBY – His race win proved he has ability but his ability to read the track yet is leaving him exposed. Was much more in the hunt in his last race although he finished last. 1/5

 

PK – His helmet colour faux pas in Heat 4 could have proved costly however topped the scorers again and looks like there is plenty of life in the old Swedish horse yet. 4/5

 

JACOB – Won his opener by a mile and can take anyone on at Monmore. Beat all the Aces top 3. 3.5/5

 

LEWIS – Started slowly and looked a little unhappy with track conditions and then showed his class in his last 2. Beat Craig Cook. 3.5/5

 

JOSH – What a home debut. Gave chase in Heat 2 and then made a blinding gate and excellent effort to deny Cookie in Heat 4. Only added a point after that but he had already done more than his job. His 5 points after Heat 8 one of the main reasons we were still in breathing distance of the Aces. Delighted with our choice of FTR at 7. MOTM

 

 

ACES

 

Zagar – did the opposite of what I expected. Was untouchable in the deep heavy shale but then struggled to beat our weaker heat leaders and second strings. 3/5

 

Fricke – a rather disappointing night for Max who I expect will be a match winner often for the Aces this year. 2.5/5

 

Nicholls – only got one win in 5 races but had plenty of speed and was the main consistent challenger to our dominance in the 2^nd half. 4/5

 

Cook – I expected more from him in a second string role yet lost to both our reserves. 2/5

 

Stead – did little of any note worthy of a mention. 2/5

 

Worrall – as expected one of the better FTR`s scored the same as Lewis (although from one ride more) yet didn’t beat any of our top 5 riders. 3/5

 

Nielsen – CRM (cant ride Monmore) 0/5

[baxiboy]

Cook is an embarassment when he pulls off for a sulk when it's not going his way. He's a PL heat leader at best & won't last five minutes in Poland if he pulls off with a heavy bottom lip.. He really should take a look at the likes of Scotty & grow up. Nielsen was as I expected.. abysmal.. Zagar looked the business early on but tailed off. So so for the rest. Not a bad nights racing though & the track as always in tip top condition thanks to Doc & his crew. Special mentions for PK who just seems to have come back from mediocrity of the past few seasons & Lewis Blackbird who looks very handy indeed. Hopefully he will be a British kid who goes on to fulfill his potential. A good signing by the Wolves.

[Bagpuss]

Well that'll be me all wrong then!!

 

Rock solid on paper - but the same old story on track!!

 

Yeah just an honest opinion, but not far from the truth?

One meeting doesn't prove an awful lot, especially the first! Can only really judge when they have or haven't finished top four.

[Wolfsbane]

Good win for Wolves again, despite the efforts of their team manager.. or lack thereof.

 

It's really quite simple.. Blackbird is by far the better rider, he should be having 5 rides. Especially when you are trailing by 4!

 

Yes Bates won a race against Cook.. that will happen occasionally.. but Blackbird is head and shoulders the better rider.

 

Matters not as we won this time, but these decisions, or lack thereof can cost you matches.

 

Similarly.. PK coming out in blue and excluded? PK should know better but surely to hell the team manager should be observing such things!

Which is what I put on updates at the time last night. The bloke is a plank.

[R87]

Yes Bates won a race against Cook.. that will happen occasionally.. but Blackbird is head and shoulders the better rider.

One thing about last night is it reminded me why I wouldn't touch Craig Cook with a bargepole. Another British rider who thinks he's better than he actually is.

Edited April 8, 2015 by mb1990

[mdmc82]

Think it's too early to write Belle Vue off after their first meeting riding together. May take a little bit of time to get settled. Still think they will be in top 5 of the table come August.

[BWitcher]

Which is what I put on updates at the time last night. The bloke is a plank.

 

As expected I got the usual backlash from a few of the lackeys with the same stock phrases of "Were you there" on facebook.

 

It matters not one jot whether I was there, Blackbird is the superior rider and 9 times out of 10 will beat Bates... so you put him in.

 

What the lackeys fail to realise is that isn't an attack on Bates. Bates put in an awesome performance. If we followed the lackeys line of thinking, Bates would have been replacing Lindgren in his 3rd ride.

 

Anyway, an excellent win and another Belle Vue team that fails to live up to its hype... long way to go for both teams however.

[SteveLyric2]

After one meeting ....Jesus. talk about boasting to soon ..

This thread is only about one meeting - that's why I posted my comment!

One meeting doesn't prove an awful lot, especially the first! Can only really judge when they have or haven't finished top four.

If it was about the top 4 I would have posted on the Aces 2015 thread. This was about last night's meeting!

[waiheke1]

Good win for Wolves again, despite the efforts of their team manager.. or lack thereof.

 

It's really quite simple.. Blackbird is by far the better rider, he should be having 5 rides. Especially when you are trailing by 4!

 

Yes Bates won a race against Cook.. that will happen occasionally.. but Blackbird is head and shoulders the better rider.

 

Matters not as we won this time, but these decisions, or lack thereof can cost you matches.

 

Similarly.. PK coming out in blue and excluded? PK should know better but surely to hell the team manager should be observing such things!

tbf, heat 8 would have been the one bates got replaced in. He had 5 from 2 rides at that stage, blackbird 2+1 from 2, so u can understand bates being kept in.

[SPEEDY69]

cook and stead cost belle vue dearly it seems.

they will need to improve away from home for aces to get anywhere this year. i expect stead will but not so sure abput cook.

[SCB]

tbf, heat 8 would have been the one bates got replaced in. He had 5 from 2 rides at that stage, blackbird 2+1 from 2, so u can understand bates being kept in.

And, TBF, I was chatting to BWitcher as the meeting was taking place and eh said before heat 8 that the change should be made. As he says, Blackbird is the better rider and 9 times out do 10 will out perform Bates. Had Wolves been winning then fine but they were 4 points down and needed a miracle at the time, Blackbird stood a chance of doing something in heat 8, Bates, you just never know. Then in heat 9 Blackbird wins it. It won't always work, but the trick is to make a change that will work more often than it won't.

cook and stead cost belle vue dearly it seems.

they will need to improve away from home for aces to get anywhere this year. i expect stead will but not so sure abput cook.

Stead scored paid 7. He did his job. Just where were you expecting him to score more points to?

[hyderd]

all this talking the Aces up makes me feel nervous, I'm going for a home win 49-41

 

 

I rest my case, belle Vue could track a team 1-7 of heat leaders and still lose away from home.

[Beowulf]

Well done to the wolves made hard work of it though Freddie needs to score from heat 1.

 

I feel that Freddies first two rides were due to mechanical issues. Sorted them out an normal service was resumed in his next three

I don't suddenly think we're going to be challenging for the title, but it would be nice if we were hard to beat at Monmore, and on that score Blackbird and Bates have a lot to offer.

[BWitcher]

tbf, heat 8 would have been the one bates got replaced in. He had 5 from 2 rides at that stage, blackbird 2+1 from 2, so u can understand bates being kept in.

 

Nope, not in the slightest.

 

Blackbird is head and shoulders the better rider, period.

 

As said, by that line of thinking, you would be putting Bates in for Lindgren.

[sandking072]

Playing Devil's Advocate for a second here.

 

If the Fast Track scheme is designed to 'encourage & develop' the reserves, surely the way forward would be for BOTH riders to take their allotted programmed rides. Replace a struggling member of the top 5 by all means if one of the reserves is riding well enough but doesn't giving one reserve 5 rides and the other 3 rides defeat the object of the whole thing?

 

Just a thought.