Super Blue Posted April 7, 2015 Report Share Posted April 7, 2015 (edited) Upon reflection , the meeting was definitely won by the best team , the Panthers were obviously buoyed by their win at Rye earlier , most of the Witches certainly didn't adapt to the track conditions and overall didn't deserve to even get close on the night . Was disappointing to watch having made the journey but it's early days yet and theres still plenty of time for things to improve . Onwards and upwards as they say . Or in hindsight, onwards and downwards? Edited April 7, 2015 by Super Blue 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gavan Posted April 7, 2015 Report Share Posted April 7, 2015 Well, I'm not going to argue about that but I thought the Somerset match on March 22nd was far superior racing wise but probably not so good for Panthers fans as they lost. As a neutral tonight it was disappointing because only Danny and Cameron got stuck in and the track seemed to scare the rest of the Ipswich team. spot on. A track can be made to look either good or poor by the opposition. Peterborough can be a great track with two even teams. Otherwise it's as boring as anywhere else Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baldyman Posted April 7, 2015 Report Share Posted April 7, 2015 Well as an Ipswich fan in thought it was a great track last night, a proper race track that sorts the men from the girls, and it certainly did that. Well done to Peterborough riders Danny and cam. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZODIAK Posted April 7, 2015 Report Share Posted April 7, 2015 Shame for Heeps that he hit the deep stuff and lifted in heat 15 as he was on his way to another away double figure score. He's started the season as he finished the last one, really well. Early doors I know, but the reserves are a bit of a concern as on paper they look one of the stronger pairings but both haven't got going. Neither has Tungate. Way too early to hit the panic button just yet but we need to start seeing an improvement from those three in the next few meetings before the PL starts. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crump99 Posted April 7, 2015 Report Share Posted April 7, 2015 You could be blinded by a comprehensive win for your team. Likewise, the Witches fans could be negative because of the disappointment of their teams performance. Interestingly, two of the negative comments have come from supporters of neither team, that is telling. They need to cater for the home team and fans and they did that as they said that they would. Track used to be like that, or heavier, week in, week out. If Sam Tesar was watching he'd call that slick, whereas R.Lyon would throw the toys out of the pram and question his involvement in the sport! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigcatdiary Posted April 7, 2015 Author Report Share Posted April 7, 2015 Said it before and I will say it again you get boring meetings at Peterborough a lot when they set the track up like that. One line by the fence and hope you hang on. Having said that our boys were awful with the exception of King and Heeps. I said this side to me was weaker on paper than last year and I stand by that. Is King , Gino and Rohan as heat leaders stronger than Worrall , Risager and Rohan? I would say similar. Are Cam and Ritchie H as second strings stronger than Cam and Gino? No Are Nielsen and Nico as reserves better than Ellis and Ritchie H? No We are destined to be around the top 6 again but nowhere near strong enough to win it. We will win most at home but unlike some tracks we don't have huge advantage and some teams will win or draw at Foxhall and I cant see us getting a lot away That's the first time this year the Panthers have had a track that suited them and they won well, every track has home advantage and Foxhall is no different. I still think the Witches are a good team but HAWKINS wasn't fit and some of your established riders just didn't step up to the plate, King was excellent as always around the Showground. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZODIAK Posted April 7, 2015 Report Share Posted April 7, 2015 They need to cater for the home team and fans and they did that as they said that they would. Track used to be like that, or heavier, week in, week out. If Sam Tesar was watching he'd call that slick, whereas R.Lyon would throw the toys out of the pram and question his involvement in the sport! The "ploughed field" days? I remember those well!! If Peterbrough keep the track like that for the rest of the season, then nobody else will come away with a bean either. They're probably kicking themselves that the track wasn't like that a little earlier. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maneacat Posted April 7, 2015 Report Share Posted April 7, 2015 That's it, deep grippy track and some Ipswich riders can't ride on it, it's not the panthers fault some of our riders don't have balls big enough to get stuck out in it. And watching tungate tonight backs up my reasoning on why he will never ever be a proper number one, unlike king who loved getting out in the deep stuff and looked in total control in it. Compare that to Palm Toft who is relatively inexperienced on the Eoes track also, yet came within a fraction of a second of the track record in his first race followed by a good score for his evenings work. He was the one rider in our team who before the meeting started I thought may struggle with the conditions but he surprised me so I am a MPT convert now! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Blue Posted April 7, 2015 Report Share Posted April 7, 2015 To be fair all promoters should be setting up the tracks to suit the home teams, that's what home advantage is all about. The different sizes, shapes and amount of dirt on the tracks will always catch some teams out of course but it's all about adapting accordingly to give yourself the best chance of winning. Some teams just don't like certain types of tracks,struggle to find the right setups and will always look like virtual novices when faced with one. Personally I don't think Foxhall is a track that gives as big an advantage to the home team as some but it's all about opinions and I'm sure others will disagree. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZODIAK Posted April 7, 2015 Report Share Posted April 7, 2015 To be fair all promoters should be setting up the tracks to suit the home teams, that's what home advantage is all about. The different sizes, shapes and amount of dirt on the tracks will always catch some teams out of course but it's all about adapting accordingly to give yourself the best chance of winning. Some teams just don't like certain types of tracks,struggle to find the right setups and will always look like virtual novices when faced with one. Personally I don't think Foxhall is a track that gives as big an advantage to the home team as some but it's all about opinions and I'm sure others will disagree. Good post. Also agree about Foxhall not having a great home advantage. It used to before the alterations as a lot of riders found it too narrow and were reluctant to open the throttle and have a good go. Nowadays since the changes, the shape allows for visiting riders to come and have a go without fear of running out of room. There's also not much dirt these days and looks fairly easy to ride. Still a degree of home advantage of course, that will always be the case. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigcatdiary Posted April 7, 2015 Author Report Share Posted April 7, 2015 Good post. Also agree about Foxhall not having a great home advantage. It used to before the alterations as a lot of riders found it too narrow and were reluctant to open the throttle and have a good go. Nowadays since the changes, the shape allows for visiting riders to come and have a go without fear of running out of room. There's also not much dirt these days and looks fairly easy to ride. Still a degree of home advantage of course, that will always be the case. The bit about not much dirt these days is as far as I am concerned the telling one, let's be fair tracks these days are generally slick but most riders when faced with a grippy deep track just cannot handle it. Peterborough slick doesnt present problems to anyone as two home defeats this year testify but is a completely different ball game when it's really grippy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baldyman Posted April 7, 2015 Report Share Posted April 7, 2015 Well there is nothing stopping Ipswich preparing the track in such a way to make it more of a home advantage is there? They obviously choose not to for some reason. Or is it prepared in such a way now that our riders can ride it? Safe and easy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bagpuss Posted April 7, 2015 Report Share Posted April 7, 2015 The bit about not much dirt these days is as far as I am concerned the telling one, let's be fair tracks these days are generally slick but most riders when faced with a grippy deep track just cannot handle it. Peterborough slick doesnt present problems to anyone as two home defeats this year testify but is a completely different ball game when it's really grippy. Same as Lynn, a fast grippy track is harder to ride, requiring big balls and also being physically demanding. Maybe home wins are more important than better racing for better crowds? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mudflaps Posted April 7, 2015 Report Share Posted April 7, 2015 Same as Lynn, a fast grippy track is harder to ride, requiring big balls and also being physically demanding. Maybe home wins are more important than better racing for better crowds? I'd imagine that most promotions would like a close result - making it more exciting for the general public (despite the fact that they home team may lose on occassions) - brings in more fans rather than massive home wins week after week due to home track prep advantage.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BluPanther Posted April 7, 2015 Report Share Posted April 7, 2015 Some riders (the usual suspects) just need to grow a pair, and if the dirt is on the outside, then get in it. No excuse imo... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemini Posted April 7, 2015 Report Share Posted April 7, 2015 Yes but when Ulrich 'got in it' he fell off. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mudflaps Posted April 7, 2015 Report Share Posted April 7, 2015 Some riders (the usual suspects) just need to grow a pair, and if the dirt is on the outside, then get in it. No excuse imo... easier said than done - unless they have brown pants on!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BluPanther Posted April 7, 2015 Report Share Posted April 7, 2015 Yes but when Ulrich 'got in it' he fell off. Riders fall off on slick tracks all the time as well. Ask Ulrich which type of track he prefers, i know the answer... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pointsmeanplayoffs Posted April 7, 2015 Report Share Posted April 7, 2015 After Lakeside on Friday, it made a nice change to see a track with some material on it and it certainly made for a much more entertaining meeting (also helped by the lack of idiots shouting abuse at opposing riders which never helps). Some really good racing, particularly pre-interval. Did look a little heavy on turn 3 though which was catching a lot of people out when they went in deep. Anyone who didn't enjoy watching King, Lambert and Ostergaard pin it around turns 1 and 2 doesn't like speedway, it was glorious. A good night's entertainment from a neutral perspective, I didn't care that the home team had massive home track advantage as the racing was good. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baldyman Posted April 7, 2015 Report Share Posted April 7, 2015 Can I just ask those that didn't attend but followed the meeting how they followed? Speedway updates, panthers twitter or Mike bacon twitter? I tend to do a fair few for Ipswich, especially away, and was just wondering. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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