A ORLOV Posted April 3, 2015 Report Share Posted April 3, 2015 Bit of rain at the moment, but this should stop mid afternoon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Poole Quay 7 Posted April 3, 2015 Report Share Posted April 3, 2015 Fingers ( make that everything! ) crossed for the OK to be given for tonight. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreverblue Posted April 3, 2015 Report Share Posted April 3, 2015 More rain expected later in swindon area about 5-6 oclock so if thats correct meeting will be off Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve0 Posted April 3, 2015 Author Report Share Posted April 3, 2015 I doubt tonight will be on unless it seriously brightens up and the wet stuff stops! You never know with the British weather though! If it is on, I would be interested in seeing if Rory lines up. Having re-declared they should not have a facility for Josh G! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattK Posted April 3, 2015 Report Share Posted April 3, 2015 Yes So if Grajczonek is a Poole assets, why isn't he riding for Poole tonight, instead of Somerset? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A ORLOV Posted April 3, 2015 Report Share Posted April 3, 2015 So if Grajczonek is a Poole assets, why isn't he riding for Poole tonight, instead of Somerset? Probably because he signed for Somerset at the start of the season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattK Posted April 3, 2015 Report Share Posted April 3, 2015 Probably because he signed for Somerset at the start of the season. Nothing in the rules about signing for clubs in any particular order: 16.1 Fixtures shall take priority as follows: FIM SGP, SWC, SGP Qualifying Meetings, FIM Junior Speedway Championship Meetings, British Championships (Senior, Junior), BSPA Shared and Fee Events Official Competitions: 1. Elite League; 2. Premier League; 3.National League. NB. Non-Official Competitions have no priority over any of the above. A Rider must be released to take part in a higher priority Meeting, unless he is “Doubling Up” or on the “Elite Draft”, in which case the priority for a clash of Official Meetings is as follows: 16.1.1 The “owning” Club (ie. on Club’s Retained List) or before the start of the Season was transferred with the full Transfer Fee being paid. 16.1.2 If neither Club has “ownership”, then it is determined by the League status of the Club that does “own” the Rider. If that Club is a NL Club then agreement can be made otherwise SR 16.1 applies. 16.1.3 The Original Fixture if there is a clash with a re-Arranged Fixture Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve0 Posted April 3, 2015 Author Report Share Posted April 3, 2015 (edited) Gentlemen's agreement probably. The same way that Josh was allowed to sign in the first place when the rules clearly state he isn't allowed except with the "express permission of the MC". And I fully expect Poole to re-declare again today so that they can still have Rory in the team. How many wrongs is that? The time has really come for the BSPA to have some integrity and stick to their rules and not allow clubs (one in particular) to continually manipulate them to their advantage! Edited April 3, 2015 by Steve0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silver Cheetah Snr Posted April 3, 2015 Report Share Posted April 3, 2015 Rory would not be able to guest for Josh anyway as it is a PL guest only for a DU rider. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
racers and royals Posted April 3, 2015 Report Share Posted April 3, 2015 (edited) Rory would not be able to guest for Josh anyway as it is a PL guest only for a DU rider. No it`s not check the 2015 regs http://www.scbgb.co.uk/regulations Edited April 3, 2015 by racers and royals Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattK Posted April 3, 2015 Report Share Posted April 3, 2015 Rory would not be able to guest for Josh anyway as it is a PL guest only for a DU rider. I don't think so. 17.6 FACILITIES a) Absent Rider (1 – 5) G or ARR Absent #6 or #7 G (EDR Rider only) c) “No Facility” for Absent 1-5 PL G (PL MA of 6.00 or less) 17.6.1 When an ACU licensed Rider is nominated by the ACU to represent the ACU in an FIM Speedway Championship, or is selected to ride Speedway for Team GB or GB U21, then irrespective of the Rider’s MA a choice of Guest or Rider Replacement facility is available. 17.6.2 Where a Team uses the ARR Facility, they may nominate an additional Rider (#8), who is eligible to take any rides that could have normally been taken by the Absent Rider during the Meeting, provided that the nominated Rider is another contracted Rider, but not included in an Elite League Team's currently declared 1-7 and whose MA does not exceed EL 3.00. 17.7 A GUEST RIDER (G) replaces an absent regular Team Member subject to the following: 17.7.1 If the absent Rider is in the Top 1 – 5 of the Team, then the Missing Rider’s MA will be enhanced by + 5% at a Home Meeting to determine the allowance for the Guest Rider. 17.7.1.2 A Rider may ride as a Guest (in an Official Meeting) at a Track only once in an 8-day period unless replacing the Home Teams #1 or is a NL Rider guesting for the Home Team. 17.7.1.3 The Guest must be in a current Team Declaration and have an MA that is the same or lower than that of the absent Rider. If a replacement PL Rider also has a current EL MA then the higher of the MA’s will dictate the eligibility. 17.7.1.4 The Guest assumes the position and MA of the Missing Rider. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bagpuss Posted April 3, 2015 Report Share Posted April 3, 2015 Poole have flouted nothing. If Swindon needed a guest for Nick Morris at Coventry and Rory Schlein became available would you expect them to say no? Precisely, it's the rules which are a joke rather than how they are being utilised. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted April 3, 2015 Report Share Posted April 3, 2015 Precisely, it's the rules which are a joke rather than how they are being utilised.if the BSPA had any sense each heat would be weighted based on its strength to give a fair and proper average. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigcatdiary Posted April 3, 2015 Report Share Posted April 3, 2015 if the BSPA had any sense each heat would be weighted based on its strength to give a fair and proper average. Been trying to contact you shawn, unable on bsf (mailbox full?) and email no go either Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hagonshocker Posted April 3, 2015 Report Share Posted April 3, 2015 Poole have flouted nothing. If Swindon needed a guest for Nick Morris at Coventry and Rory Schlein became available would you expect them to say no? But Morris wouldnt be a temporary signing in place of someone else would he? That is totally like for like and yes i know you will bang on about averages yadder yadder but they are/were/maybe still trying to replace a rider who is a Premier rider this year with an Elite rider even before said Prem rider has turned a wheel in anger for them...so your not really comparing it correctly... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grachan Posted April 3, 2015 Report Share Posted April 3, 2015 (edited) if the BSPA had any sense each heat would be weighted based on its strength to give a fair and proper average. All it needs is a simple grading system. Rory Schlein - heatleader - CMA 6.22 Josh Grajczonek - Second String - CMA 6.40 Guest for Grajczonek would need to be a second string 6.40 or below. Guest for Schlein could be any heatleader below 6.22 or any second string (regardless of average). Not difficult really. But Morris wouldnt be a temporary signing in place of someone else would he? That is totally like for like and yes i know you will bang on about averages yadder yadder but they are/were/maybe still trying to replace a rider who is a Premier rider this year with an Elite rider even before said Prem rider has turned a wheel in anger for them...so your not really comparing it correctly... So, if anything, you're saying they should be using Watt's average instead of Grajczonek? Otherwise, Grajczonek is a member of the side. Sure, Grajczonek's average is way too high. But that's not Poole's fault. That's the BSPA's fault. Edited April 3, 2015 by grachan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattK Posted April 3, 2015 Report Share Posted April 3, 2015 Have we concluded why Grajczonek, as a Poole asset, is riding for Somerset rather than his parent club? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mdmc82 Posted April 3, 2015 Report Share Posted April 3, 2015 Have we concluded why Grajczonek, as a Poole asset, is riding for Somerset rather than his parent club? Due to the fact he wasn't declared in Pooles starting line up Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattK Posted April 3, 2015 Report Share Posted April 3, 2015 Due to the fact he wasn't declared in Pooles starting line up Rules don't make any reference to starting line-ups: 16.1 Fixtures shall take priority as follows: FIM SGP, SWC, SGP Qualifying Meetings, FIM Junior Speedway Championship Meetings British Championships (Senior, Junior), BSPA Shared and Fee Events Official Competitions: 1. Elite League; 2. Premier League; 3.National League. NB. Non-Official Competitions have no priority over any of the above. A Rider must be released to take part in a higher priority Meeting, unless he is “Doubling Up” or on the “Elite Draft”, in which case the priority for a clash of Official Meetings is as follows: 16.1.1 The “owning” Club (ie. on Club’s Retained List) or before the start of the Season was transferred with the full Transfer Fee being paid. 16.1.2 If neither Club has “ownership”, then it is determined by the League status of the Club that does “own” the Rider. If that Club is a NL Club then agreement can be made otherwise SR 16.1 applies. 16.1.3 The Original Fixture if there is a clash with a re-Arranged Fixture 16.1.4 A Transfer during the Season does not change this priority. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreverblue Posted April 3, 2015 Report Share Posted April 3, 2015 Have we concluded why Grajczonek, as a Poole asset, is riding for Somerset rather than his parent club? Just because he is our asset doesn't mean he can go back on his agreement to ride in all of Somerset's meetings. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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