iris123 Posted April 2, 2015 Report Share Posted April 2, 2015 Not even convinced riders didn't ride almost every night.Top riders in the 60s and 70s also rode most days of the week and on the continent at the weekend.They also didn't have super duper transporters to sleep in whilst someone else drove them around and the roads weren't as good as nowadays,so the journeys took longer.When you read about Ove Fundin or Barry Briggs and their week it was pretty much the same as Chris Holder or Tai Woffinden without the comfort. It is difficult to pin down if there are more crashes now,but less injuries or more injuries but less crashes or more of both or less of both,but my personal opinion is there isn't much difference.One year you might get more crashes but riders are lucky to get away without injury and another year have less crashes but more riders injured.Just the same as having bad looking falls but the rider jumps up and walks away or a relatively simple slide off that ends in a rider being paralysed....... At the end of the day I don't think there are any more injuries than in the 70s,so I must be right 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weatherwatcher Posted April 2, 2015 Author Report Share Posted April 2, 2015 I think that the min problems that arise are the facts. The bikes are now to over powered, the tracks to slick and at the start of the season the riders are not getting enough practice time in and then go on to the tracks going at it hell for leather as they did the season before. With tired old arms and legs. Also they younger riders are now up in the big league and are out to try and prove a point that they are good enough to be there and race above their capabilities. How many of the younger lads do we see try gung ho tattics and end up coming to grief. over the past 5 years or so we have see these riders having so very bad injuries. We only have to look at the air fences they either go under them or hit them and fly onto the track with the bike doing it's own thing either falling on top of the rider or hitting another bike. I still say it is now time to bring in some changes to the bikes and the tracks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWitcher Posted April 2, 2015 Report Share Posted April 2, 2015 It's amusing that despite that fact there is no evidence there are more injuries, despite the fact that what evidence that has been put forward supports the fact that there are no more injuries than in the past... we still keep getting long posts citing the 'reasons' why there are more injuries..... when there aren't. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iris123 Posted April 2, 2015 Report Share Posted April 2, 2015 (edited) And also it is young riders up in the big league now.That didn't happen years ago did it..........Ronnie Moore at 17 or Ivan Mauger at 17 or Mike Lee at 16 or or or......what about that no hoper Morten Risager? I remember a fairly young Phil Crump getting injured at the beginning of the 1973 season.Only had 1 or 2 meetings the whole season,i think Just going through the 1975 yearbook from A-D,english riders who rode in the top league at 16-17..not all in the same season obviously,but it was hardly a rarity even back in the 60s Terry Barclay Steve Bastable Terry Betts Nigel Boocock Les Collins Peter Collins Andy Cusworth John Davis Edited April 2, 2015 by iris123 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wheelman Posted April 3, 2015 Report Share Posted April 3, 2015 When statistics don,t work for you.....you some times just revert back to that'' old feeling'',nothing wrong with that..... makes it hard to prove of course.... .......... Ice creams are smaller, pies have less filling, and speedway isn,t what it used to be. But we still hang in there because we are passionate about it. F1 have made drastic changes over the years to try and cure what ails them..... Speedway has been pretty much left to it own evolvement......this is to the credit or dis interest of the rule makers. I feel the sport needs a brave , well directed kick in the intestines.......now where are my boots. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
New Science Posted April 6, 2015 Report Share Posted April 6, 2015 It's amusing that despite that fact there is no evidence there are more injuries, despite the fact that what evidence that has been put forward supports the fact that there are no more injuries than in the past... we still keep getting long posts citing the 'reasons' why there are more injuries..... when there aren't. I would hate to see a season really blighted by injuries if what we are seeing at the moment is the norm as you state.Only 2 weeks in and 2 ELITE teams ride their first match at HOME and finish the match with 5 and 4 riders respectively ,the latest of those Elite fixtures being unusually abandoned because of a lack of medical cover. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chunky Posted April 7, 2015 Report Share Posted April 7, 2015 Only 2 weeks in and 2 ELITE teams ride their first match at HOME and finish the match with 5 and 4 riders respectively ,the latest of those Elite fixtures being unusually abandoned because of a lack of medical cover. It happens. Just because it has happened twice already this season doesn't prove anything. I've attended a number of matches over the years where teams have finished two or three riders short. Steve Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted April 7, 2015 Report Share Posted April 7, 2015 I would hate to see a season really blighted by injuries if what we are seeing at the moment is the norm as you state.Only 2 weeks in and 2 ELITE teams ride their first match at HOME and finish the match with 5 and 4 riders respectively ,the latest of those Elite fixtures being unusually abandoned because of a lack of medical cover. TBF, right now I'm going to move away from this discussion as the numbers are not starting to look so great at present. But lets see how it looks in September - see if we have any more injuries than usual. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weatherwatcher Posted April 8, 2015 Author Report Share Posted April 8, 2015 And another one bites the dust. Just read about Voldrh crash, where he suffered 2 compound fractures below the knee, after the bike lifted and he bounced off the air fence into the back of the front bike, he has had to have pins, and it looks like he will miss a big part of this season. So are the air fences a saviour or are they more of a danger hazard to the riders, than the old board and wire fences. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted April 8, 2015 Report Share Posted April 8, 2015 (edited) And another one bites the dust. Just read about Voldrh crash, where he suffered 2 compound fractures below the knee, after the bike lifted and he bounced off the air fence into the back of the front bike, he has had to have pins, and it looks like he will miss a big part of this season. So are the air fences a saviour or are they more of a danger hazard to the riders, than the old board and wire fences. There was no air fence. He crashed into a rider on the straight. And once he had hit the fence he and the bike parted and never made contact again. Not sure where you got your description of the crash from but it's totally wrong. Edited April 8, 2015 by SCB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fromafar Posted April 8, 2015 Report Share Posted April 8, 2015 (edited) And another one bites the dust. Just read about Voldrh crash, where he suffered 2 compound fractures below the knee, after the bike lifted and he bounced off the air fence into the back of the front bike, he has had to have pins, and it looks like he will miss a big part of this season. So are the air fences a saviour or are they more of a danger hazard to the riders, than the old board and wire fences.if you look on Berwick 2015 thread post there is a post showing the crash from racers and royals.It is certainly different to your description Edited April 8, 2015 by Fromafar Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ch958 Posted April 8, 2015 Report Share Posted April 8, 2015 maybe this is a daft question but do tracks (as employers) keep an accident book? At work i have to write up a paper cut never mind a collision with a safety fence Also are injuries reported to RIDDOR? if the answer to either or both is yes then actual figures would be available - presumably as a freedom of information request its actually quite important information - if the sport was getting more injurious to participants then it would be remiss of the governing body to not make changes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lucifer sam Posted April 8, 2015 Report Share Posted April 8, 2015 maybe this is a daft question but do tracks (as employers) keep an accident book? At work i have to write up a paper cut never mind a collision with a safety fence There is an incident recorder/timekeeper at each meeting, sits in the box next to the ref! All the best Rob Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
New Science Posted April 8, 2015 Report Share Posted April 8, 2015 Eml Sayfutdinov has also had surgery for a broken collar bone before the Polish league has started. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted April 8, 2015 Report Share Posted April 8, 2015 Eml Sayfutdinov has also had surgery for a broken collar bone before the Polish league has started. Nothing to do with speedway though. He crashed a moto-x bike. That didn't happen in the 60s! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWitcher Posted April 8, 2015 Report Share Posted April 8, 2015 I would hate to see a season really blighted by injuries if what we are seeing at the moment is the norm as you state.Only 2 weeks in and 2 ELITE teams ride their first match at HOME and finish the match with 5 and 4 riders respectively ,the latest of those Elite fixtures being unusually abandoned because of a lack of medical cover. 1993. Wolves lost Ronnie Correy, Graham Jones, Charles Ermolenko and Phil Ashcroft in a week. Raced Ipswich with 5 juniors. It happens. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grand Central Posted April 8, 2015 Report Share Posted April 8, 2015 Tormod Langli broke his arm after crashing hang gliding at Easter 1980. It is totally irrelevant. But seeing as other people are contributing nonsense. I thought I would too. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pawel115 Posted April 9, 2015 Report Share Posted April 9, 2015 (edited) Andrzej Zarzecki (Morawski Zielona Gora) died on March 24 ,1993 three days after crash that happened during pre season friendly match at Zielona Gora against Leszno. Marian Rose died April 19,1970 at Rzeszow during early season league match Torun at Rzeszow Zbigniew Malinowski died on April 7,1974 league match Slask Swietochlowice vs Polonia Bydgoszcz at Chorzow Grzegorz Smolinski crashed during junior team match at Poznan on April 12,1987 and died on April 22. So very serious tragic accidents due happen at the start of the season when conditions are difficult and riders are rusty Edited April 9, 2015 by pawel115 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The White Knight Posted April 9, 2015 Report Share Posted April 9, 2015 (edited) Tormod Langli broke his arm after crashing hang gliding at Easter 1980. It is totally irrelevant. But seeing as other people are contributing nonsense. I thought I would too. And VERY GOOD you are at it. :o :rofl: Edited April 9, 2015 by The White Knight Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted April 9, 2015 Report Share Posted April 9, 2015 So the Poles think British speedway is dangerous and want to ban their riders riding over here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts
Join the conversation
You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.
Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible.