How Many More Riders Are Getting To Get Injured Before It Even Starts

[f-s-p]

So the Poles think British speedway is dangerous and want to ban their riders riding over here.

 

If I say they (as in Polish clubs) give out 10k zloty fines for farting, I'm not that far off... That ban could really happen.

 

Then again, like said before, they ban their riders from riding without APD's and let Jamrog do it in Argentina a few months later.

 

I love Poland, going again next week.

[ford]

So the Poles think British speedway is dangerous and want to ban their riders riding over here.

 

I see Rye house were missing Kasper on Monday because he crashed and injured himself in Poland.

[SCB]

 

I see Rye house were missing Kasper on Monday because he crashed and injured himself in Poland.

I'm not sure how to put this tactfully but lets not forget that one of our riders quite recently died over there. So they have one hell of a cheek.

 

I'd call their bluff, I'd ban all Poles from British Speedway anyway. They're already banned from the PL anyway*

 

*PZM permit holders anyway - legally I'm not sure you could ban Polish people.

[Guest]

I'm not sure how to put this tactfully but lets not forget that one of our riders quite recently died over there. So they have one hell of a cheek.

 

I'd call their bluff, I'd ban all Poles from British Speedway anyway. They're already banned from the PL anyway*

 

*PZM permit holders anyway - legally I'm not sure you could ban Polish people.

 

Is there not a possibility this will be frowned upon under EU free labour law?

[mdmc82]

So the Poles think British speedway is dangerous and want to ban their riders riding over here.

Have they forgot what happened to Lee Richardson on their tracks. 😞

[oldace]

 

Is there not a possibility this will be frowned upon under EU free labour law?

 

It doesn't need to be a formal (illegal) ban. Poles have the right to work in my business, but I don't employ any

[SCB]

I don't see the issue.The rulebook says not PZM permit holders in the PL and has done about 5 years now. Yet we've not had hundreds (or even 1 AFAIK) Pole take the BSPA/SCB to court.

 

I would imaging if you did the bi-annual threats to ban their riders riding over here and the way their clubs call rider back no a whim is damaging to British Speedway might help in any argument.

[Guest]

The season is now well underway. I am always saddened when I hear that a rider has been injured.

For all that, is there a time limitation for this - the thread title is -

"How Many More Riders Are Getting To Get Injured Before It Even Starts."

 

[Blazeaway]

 

It doesn't need to be a formal (illegal) ban. Poles have the right to work in my business, but I don't employ any

 

You're alluding to a "gentlemens agreement" in Speedway between Speedway promoters?

[oldace]

 

You're alluding to a "gentlemens agreement" in Speedway between Speedway promoters?

 

 

Indeed, total fantasy really

[jim the whipper]

Theres a lot more who will get injured yet , epsecially NL riders ,, raw kids given team places on the strength of being seen at winter practise or because they have a relative who Rides/used to ride in races with far more experienced lads some who have been elite league reserves = disaster , they are not only a danger to themselves but to the more experienced lads as well .. good example Nathan Greaves experienced lads negotiaitied round him , raw novice ploughs straight into him and both get injured , shouldn't have been in the same race ,then it wouldn't have happened .

[Sings4Speedway]

Where does the next breed of riders come from then? Every league needs a starting block / entry level.

Even the elite league reserves you mention look far more inexperienced than the Second strings heat leaders they go up against.

 

All riders know and accept the risks. Not pleasant but a true fact. Race with the risks or pack up its always been each riders choice.

[Star Lady]

Theres a lot more who will get injured yet , epsecially NL riders ,, raw kids given team places on the strength of being seen at winter practise or because they have a relative who Rides/used to ride in races with far more experienced lads some who have been elite league reserves = disaster , they are not only a danger to themselves but to the more experienced lads as well .. good example Nathan Greaves experienced lads negotiaitied round him , raw novice ploughs straight into him and both get injured , shouldn't have been in the same race ,then it wouldn't have happened .

 

Surely to help avoid such incidents a condition of being granted a racing licence should be the ability to lay down a machine on the proverbial sixpence and this ability should have to be demonstrated to the satisfaction of a suitably qualified person. i.e. an ex rider.

[Fromafar]

Surely to help avoid such incidents a condition of being granted a racing licence should be the ability to lay down a machine on the proverbial sixpence and this ability should have to be demonstrated to the satisfaction of a suitably qualified person. i.e. an ex rider.

Many years ago I was speaking to the late Peter Vandenberg and he told me at that time in New Zealand you had to demonstrate that skill before your were issued with a licence .Perhaps it should be introduced here to help younger riders learn more skills.

[Sings4Speedway]

Whilst in theory it makes sense it doesn't quite work in practice. Being told to be able to lay a bike down at a certain point is a world apart from having to make that decision in a split second and then having the ability to do so.

 

If riders serve their apprenticeships via practice days then amateur meetings then MDL etc the riders will progress and learn at a sensible rate and gain valuable track racing experience. The sudden influx of riders that have shown some promise after a few practice laps and then get thrown straight in does alarm me.

 

Do not forget though that this is not the riders fault. It is the management / promoters who include the total rookies when they are not ready.....

[weatherwatcher]

No mater what league they race in they should all show that they have the knowladge on how not only to ride the bike but what to do if someone comes off in front of you. I know that at times they are so close that a pile up is inevitable, but when you see the rider behind who is a few yards back go into the rider on the floor or his bike then it just comes down to not being taught what to do in that situation.

We get riders coming over from abroud and coming into the EL, who are less skilled than some of our NL lads and only last for a few meetings before they have the heave ho and go home.

I think that a lot of riders today are being put into league place that they are not skilled enough, or good enough to ride in. Perhaps the promoters should run the clubs a bit like a football team with mid week practice, but that would be a no, no as riders are here there and every where and they still seem to get no better for it.

But I must say that they are doing something positive with our young under 16's with them getting together for practice setions with riders there to show them how to ride their bikes and race properly.

So come another 4 or 5 years we may start to see some very good young British riders start to come through, at least I hope so as we have gone down hill the last 10 years or so, with the BPSA giving nothing to help them, I think they have seen that something was needed to get some good British riders into our top leagues in the near future.

So if that happens, the Poles will be no longer needed to fill up the places.

[Guest]

So come another 4 or 5 years we may start to see some very good young British riders start to come through

That's an optimistic view in regard to British speedway's long term future.

[The White Knight]

No mater what league they race in they should all show that they have the knowladge on how not only to ride the bike but what to do if someone comes off in front of you. I know that at times they are so close that a pile up is inevitable, but when you see the rider behind who is a few yards back go into the rider on the floor or his bike then it just comes down to not being taught what to do in that situation.

We get riders coming over from abroud and coming into the EL, who are less skilled than some of our NL lads and only last for a few meetings before they have the heave ho and go home.

I think that a lot of riders today are being put into league place that they are not skilled enough, or good enough to ride in. Perhaps the promoters should run the clubs a bit like a football team with mid week practice, but that would be a no, no as riders are here there and every where and they still seem to get no better for it.

But I must say that they are doing something positive with our young under 16's with them getting together for practice setions with riders there to show them how to ride their bikes and race properly.

So come another 4 or 5 years we may start to see some very good young British riders start to come through, at least I hope so as we have gone down hill the last 10 years or so, with the BPSA giving nothing to help them, I think they have seen that something was needed to get some good British riders into our top leagues in the near future.

So if that happens, the Poles will be no longer needed to fill up the places.

Well nigh impossible if your Speedway Track is in a Greyhound Stadium.

 

Think of the Rent if the Promoter does not own the Stadium.

 

Nice idea - but - a no goer.

[Triple.H.]

As they had a youth training day this week maybe someone who has attended one either as rider,parent or instructor could post if they teach the youngsters how to lay the bike down (deliberately)

[jim the whipper]

Where does the next breed of riders come from then? Every league needs a starting block / entry level.

Even the elite league reserves you mention look far more inexperienced than the Second strings heat leaders they go up against.

 

All riders know and accept the risks. Not pleasant but a true fact. Race with the risks or pack up its always been each riders choice.

Simple . natural progression . training school> amateur series > mdl/njl> Nl. it's that easy, prove your worth at each stage and wind up with a team place a safe and competent rider . so you think Nathan Greaves . should accept the fact that an inexperienced rider may crash into him or pack it in . seems a bit harsh that a kid who learned properly through normal channels ,should accept the risk of racing with unqualified riders or give up something they have worked hard and gone through the proper course to achieve , so as not to ripple the waters with one or two managers who are desperate to make the latest discovery and dont mind how many get hurt in the process..

As they had a youth training day this week maybe someone who has attended one either as rider,parent or instructor could post if they teach the youngsters how to lay the bike down (deliberately)

you can teach anyone to lay a bike down , different story when you have to do it in an instant . not something you can learn in an afterrnoon . the only way to learn is from experience gained at a slower pace and without the pressure of league racing in amateur and MDL meetings