King's Lynn V Lakeside Tues 31st Sky 7.30

[E I Addio]

I know exactly what you all mean about processional racing as I watched the coverage tonight on TV.

Luckily I saw the meeting live so was close to the action, seeing how fast the riders are racing and of course willing my team onto the win. You cannot appreciate on TV the speed these guys are riding their bikes at, how little time they have to make decisions, how hard they hit the deck when they fall off etc!

There is NOTHING like live speedway, particularly at a track where u can get close to the track ☺

 

 

 

Good post. One of speedways problems is that it doesn't come over particularly well on TV. You don't get the noise, you don't get the smell or the atmosphere and as you say seeing your team win always makes a dull match seem better. However good or bad a meeting is live it is never as good on TV. . The problem with this forum is that after almost every TV meeting, even the half decent ones we get a string of moans largely from people who weren't there and most of those seem to be from those who never or rarely go to live meeting anyway. You can almost tell before the meeting starts who is going to be on here moaning afterwards .I make no comment on last nights meeting one way or the other but you have hit the nail on the head of what the sport is about. As you say there is nothing like live speedway.

 

Too many armchair experts and whingers all of whom have never been near a speedway bike or been involved in track prep................ but they still know it all.

 

 

Well said.

[Bruiser McHuge]

It wasn't the best meeting in the world but considering the weather building up to it then they did very well to actually get the track as it was....and this time of year is very hit and miss for speedway and it always has been....Lakeside were awful which never helps a meeting either..

I've still got a couple of old videos of league matches at Kings Lynn from about 1990 with Loram and Lofqvist at reserve and there was no passing then on them....yet I've spent a full season at Kings Lynn and some of the racing was the best I've ever seen that season so speedway is always hit and miss , always has been and there have always been some ropey meetings and it's difficult to judge on one TV meeting against poor opposition in difficult early season conditions.

[foreverblue]

Wolves has been my #1 EL track for a long time. And before Peterborough dropped down that was #2. Two completely contract yet almost equally brilliant tracks. These days It's Wolves, Poole (even with it's bumps, as at last there is racing/passing) and BV as the top 3 (BV has come on loads the last 2 seasons) while Lynn has probably slumped into the bottom 4 with Coventry, Leicester and Lakeside. Leaves Swindon in 4th as a pretty average and run of the mill track that can be both brilliant and naff on any given day.

I would agree,rarely have i been to a poor meeting at Wolves although i only attend occasionally, i do think it is one of the best tracks and i would also agree that Peterborough is also and a shame they are no in the EL any more, i have also seen some terrific racing at Swindon and of course Poole. some seem to be blaming the weather but Poole were there last week and there was the only genuine pass that comes to mind is when Iversen passed Dakota North in heat 15. Ellis fell heavily in that meeting so maybe he had a bit of extra track knowledge the other away riders lacked but what i would say is that the track was not at fault for Ellis falling.

[E I Addio]

Another ridiculous assumption. I've never made a piece of furniture in my life, but I know a decent bit of Chippendale when I see it.

 

 

That's not what he is saying. Like a couple of others you are reading something into it that isn't there.

 

Of course Joe Public on the terraces knows whether its a good meeting or a bad one . No dispute about that, but it would only take one post to make that point. What we are seeing on this thread is people who know nothing about track prep, nothing about, engines , nothing about set ups , analysing and presuming to tell us why it was a dull meeting, and why KL is the best track since sliced bread.

 

People bang on about not enough dirt on the track for example but quite often there is enough dirt but because of the weather it has to be packed down, so the meeting can be put on. That in in turn can spoil the quality of the racing. It could be 101 different reasons or it could be simply the opposing team were having a bad day, just like every team do at times every year. And yet here we have people who have never sat on a bike or driven a tractor sitting in front of their TV screens telling us that because someone fell off and someone else didn't it proves this or that, or going through the old "my tracks better than your track routine ". Absolute nonsense.

[ouch]

Here here. My mate is a chef and if he gets complaints he asks if they've ever worked in a resturant kitchen. Soon puts them in their place. Dad was a roofer and as not many folk venture up onto their roof any complaints he had were soon dismissed.

Speedway fans stop moaning for Christ sake!

[bigcatdiary]

Everyone's entitled to their own opinion and views and rightly so but speedway is in the entertainment business and when it ceases to provide entertainment it loses its supporters, and no supporters ultimately means no more speedway.

[Trees]

You need a trip to Santa Pod if straight line speed gets you excited. That's certainly not why I watch speedway.

 

If the racing is crap, it's crap & it's been crap 2 weeks on the trot.

 

That's the be all and end all. How fast they go doesn't mean an awful lot to be fair.

Of course it ain't but if u're against a poor team then it's something to watch! Positives and all that! I'm sure as hell not gonna complain about our boys racing so good, we all know if u have a good team then be prepared for some big wins!

[E I Addio]

Everyone's entitled to their own opinion and views and rightly so but speedway is in the entertainment business and when it ceases to provide entertainment it loses its supporters, and no supporters ultimately means no more speedway.

That is absolutely true. It is also inevitable that the fans like to have their say, and there will naturally be different opinions but the point DissAssTer was touching on was that the discussion would be so much more informative and enjoyable if people tried to be a bit more objective and factual instead of shooting from the hip. There is no doubt the entertainment value is not always what we want it to be but the reasons for that are often varied and complex. I speak to people who spend £30 or £40 going to a football match and tell me it was a load of rubbish but they still go . As Trees said in her post there is nothing like live speedwáy and sometimes the comments on here lose sight of that, although that doesn't mean it can't be made better. Sorting out the FTDR allocation would be a good start but that's for a different thread.

[Shadders]

That's not what he is saying. Like a couple of others you are reading something into it that isn't there.

 

Of course Joe Public on the terraces knows whether its a good meeting or a bad one . No dispute about that, but it would only take one post to make that point. What we are seeing on this thread is people who know nothing about track prep, nothing about, engines , nothing about set ups , analysing and presuming to tell us why it was a dull meeting, and why KL is the best track since sliced bread.

 

People bang on about not enough dirt on the track for example but quite often there is enough dirt but because of the weather it has to be packed down, so the meeting can be put on. That in in turn can spoil the quality of the racing. It could be 101 different reasons or it could be simply the opposing team were having a bad day, just like every team do at times every year. And yet here we have people who have never sat on a bike or driven a tractor sitting in front of their TV screens telling us that because someone fell off and someone else didn't it proves this or that, or going through the old "my tracks better than your track routine ". Absolute nonsense.

I'm certainly not claiming to be a "know it all". I just thought it was a particularly dull meeting and certainly wouldn't of persuaded any waiverers to attend their local track. Not the fault of Kings Lynn, there are meetings like this up and down the country every week. Just so happened this one was televised. Edited April 2, 2015 by Shads

[Halifaxtiger]

 

That must be the most ridiculous statement I've seen posted on the forum. I suggest you go and tell the riders that...........

 

They, the riders, will not perform on a strip if they don't feel confident with, merely go through the motions....

 

In actual fact, its one of most sensible and reasonable I have ever read here.

 

What he is saying is that providing a track is safe, it should be prepared to suit the needs of your paying customers, not your paid employees.

 

No other business would do otherwise.

 

It's laughable isn't. The sport isn't for the riders, it's for the fans. We're constantly told the riders do it for the fans (HaHa!) but now we're being told it's done for the riders. Well fine, make the tracks for the riders, lets the riders love it and the fans hate it.The fans will stop going, the riders will have to stop being paid and we'll see how many speedway meeting there are then!

 

 

Dead right

 

Wolves has been my #1 EL track for a long time. And before Peterborough dropped down that was #2. Two completely contract yet almost equally brilliant tracks. These days It's Wolves, Poole (even with it's bumps, as at last there is racing/passing) and BV as the top 3 (BV has come on loads the last 2 seasons) while Lynn has probably slumped into the bottom 4 with Coventry, Leicester and Lakeside. Leaves Swindon in 4th as a pretty average and run of the mill track that can be both brilliant and naff on any given day.

 

I'd have been laughed off the pages of this forum a few years ago for this but the best EL track is Belle Vue. Have to say I have always rated Lakeside much higher than some - in my view, its been better than King's Lynn for a long time.

 

To be fair to Buster Chapman, I think he did well just to get the meeting on given the weather conditions. In addition, Lakeside were awful.

 

 

 

That's not what he is saying. Like a couple of others you are reading something into it that isn't there.

 

Of course Joe Public on the terraces knows whether its a good meeting or a bad one . No dispute about that, but it would only take one post to make that point. What we are seeing on this thread is people who know nothing about track prep, nothing about, engines , nothing about set ups , analysing and presuming to tell us why it was a dull meeting, and why KL is the best track since sliced bread.

 

People bang on about not enough dirt on the track for example but quite often there is enough dirt but because of the weather it has to be packed down, so the meeting can be put on. That in in turn can spoil the quality of the racing. It could be 101 different reasons or it could be simply the opposing team were having a bad day, just like every team do at times every year. And yet here we have people who have never sat on a bike or driven a tractor sitting in front of their TV screens telling us that because someone fell off and someone else didn't it proves this or that, or going through the old "my tracks better than your track routine ". Absolute nonsense.

 

I think the thing is that in my experience some tracks consistently turn out better racing surfaces than others and consequently get a reputation for that.

 

You don't need to know how they do it but you can ask the question if some can do it why can't others ?

 

 

 

Here here. My mate is a chef and if he gets complaints he asks if they've ever worked in a resturant kitchen. Soon puts them in their place.

 

I bet his business is successful with an attitude of 'don't like the food ? Come and cook it yourself'.

Edited April 2, 2015 by Halifaxtiger

[DizzAssStar]

 

 

That's not what he is saying. Like a couple of others you are reading something into it that isn't there.

 

Of course Joe Public on the terraces knows whether its a good meeting or a bad one . No dispute about that, but it would only take one post to make that point. What we are seeing on this thread is people who know nothing about track prep, nothing about, engines , nothing about set ups , analysing and presuming to tell us why it was a dull meeting, and why KL is the best track since sliced bread.

 

People bang on about not enough dirt on the track for example but quite often there is enough dirt but because of the weather it has to be packed down, so the meeting can be put on. That in in turn can spoil the quality of the racing. It could be 101 different reasons or it could be simply the opposing team were having a bad day, just like every team do at times every year. And yet here we have people who have never sat on a bike or driven a tractor sitting in front of their TV screens telling us that because someone fell off and someone else didn't it proves this or that, or going through the old "my tracks better than your track routine ". Absolute nonsense.

 

100% correct and well said ............. proves that there still is intelligent life on the planet that's able to look at the whole picture rather than just the bit that they want or prefer to see (subject to individuals agenda).

[bigcatdiary]

You get a very mixed bag on here Custer as you are well aware, some have a good idea what's going on and some have to have it spelled out in large letters. Of course you even get some who try to pull the wool over another's eyes and tell big porkies making out that some things in the sport are better than they what they generally are.

 

Generally it would be beneficial to thnk everyone involved in the sport did so because they cared about it but my experience is that most just care about a particular team or club and are quite happy to shaft the opposition at every opportunity they get, although I will add that doesn't apply to all that I have met over the years, the fact that we have a complete joke of a rule book doesn't help but this sports administration needs to sort itself out and start pulling in the same direction.

[SimonB]

Here here. My mate is a chef and if he gets complaints he asks if they've ever worked in a resturant kitchen. Soon puts them in their place. Dad was a roofer and as not many folk venture up onto their roof any complaints he had were soon dismissed.

Speedway fans stop moaning for Christ sake!

 

I have never worked in a kitchen but I have eaten a lot of steaks and can tell the difference between a good one and a poor one

 

Likewise I have never prepared a speedway track but after watching meetings for nearly 40 years I can tell if the track is a decent race circuit or not. Buster does a great job at Kings Lynn IMO and more often than not provides a track capable of staging great racing. Conditions and the teams conspired against him on Tuesday.

[E I Addio]

You get a very mixed bag on here Custer as you are well aware, some have a good idea what's going on and some have to have it spelled out in large letters. Of course you even get some who try to pull the wool over another's eyes and tell big porkies making out that some things in the sport are better than they what they generally are.

 

Generally it would be beneficial to thnk everyone involved in the sport did so because they cared about it but my experience is that most just care about a particular team or club and are quite happy to shaft the opposition at every opportunity they get, although I will add that doesn't apply to all that I have met over the years, the fact that we have a complete joke of a rule book doesn't help but this sports administration needs to sort itself out and start pulling in the same direction.

 

 

For once, I have to agree with you,

[stevebrum]

What Nigel said at the start of his first ride "On his day he can be world class".

 

Which day was that then ?.

 

 

The day he had a few holes in his silencer...

 

 

 

Cant believe some are still moaning about the standard of racing.

Its an early league fixture, weather conditions poor so this was never going to be a classic meeting.

Coupled with poor opposition this was not a classic, and was never likely to be.

[Trees]

That reminds me, I had a hotdog at Lynn a fortnight ago, it was gross, whatever possessed me to I dunno! About time Buster bought in some proper sausages and good butcher's burgers to feed to the public!!

[Bagpuss]

The food at Lynn has always been pretty nasty unfortunately.

[Trees]

But why, does Buster like this stuff, surely not? Or is it cos it is dirt cheap and he can make the most money out of it?

I can understand that he wants to maximise his profit, don't think I will have a lapse again though ugh!

 

On a positive the drinks are okay, Cadburys hot choc mmm

Edited April 4, 2015 by Trees

[foreverblue]

I think the food has improved my sausage and chips from the back straight outlet was pretty good.

[mrss]

I stopped buying hot drinks last season when they went up to 1.50. Speedway is expensive enough and now the programmes have gone up as well. Don't mind paying 2.50 for one but it shows that last years were a rip off.