King's Lynn V Lakeside Tues 31st Sky 7.30

[BWitcher]

Here we are, 15 years on from when SKY first started showing live speedway, and the total product is so discoloured. We have the same tired format used by SKY, the endless build-up to try to make what is about to happen seem really exciting and unmissable... and then we have the next two hours of bore-fest, the only exciting of whether the SKY studio would escape the winds or if the majority of the wafer-thin turn-out would be survive the next few days and collect their pensions.

 

SKY decided to wait another three weeks to show the next live match, a decision that may be risky. Will the sport still exist then? Or is it a growing realism by them that they have paddled the sport as far as they are prepared and we are now at the beginning of their final attachment to speedway? The Match-Of-the-Week may indeed turn out to be a Match-of-the-Month...

 

It ain't looking good.

 

 

15 years on and they STILL have not learned that presenting meetings live on TV with about 5 people in camera view spectating does nothing but DAMAGE to the sport.

 

It doesn't matter one iota if the racing is fantastic (the fact that it wasn't and often isn't makes it worse), if nobody is watching it.

 

The impression it gives to Joe Public is, no point going there.

 

The majority of the public are like sheep.. if they see lots of people doing something, they want to do it themselves. One of the most basic concepts of all and yet the dimwits in charge STILL haven't worked it out.

Edited April 1, 2015 by BWitcher

[Ommer Mon]

On a more positive note, I'd just like to say a big well done to Rob Lambert. For a lad of 16 that was incredible whatever you think of the track conditions.

 

I'd also like to say well done to Ashley Morris. To go back to a track where he had such a bad accident last year and pile a few points up was very courageous. Well done Ash and may you have a great and injury free season.

[Bostonian]

The fact that the riders say how good Lynn's track is, for me, says the track is good. I don't want to see riders bashing through ruts and holes and looking as if they might crash and injury themselves. BUT, last night was a factor of 2 things for me...

 

1. Lakeside were useless! AJ could only manage 1 decent race when he made a start and he's meant to be their star number 1 rider. Buster and the track staff can do NOTHING about that. If you don't have the bike set up right, or haven't got your head on it properly, then you'll never over take someone who has got the right set up i.e Mr Lambert.

 

2. Today's bikes are just about speed! I've started to notice this over the past year or so, but everyone just seems to be intrested in getting their bikes to go as fast as they can. Its great for the riders, because they score more points and pick up more coin. But for the paying spectators, it becomes so dull watching follow the leader. To me, thats what F1 is all about now, If you've got the fastest car you win more often than not. Even when the best riders in the country are in town (Rooboys testominal and the world cup being 2 at lynn) there seemed a lot of FTG wins.

 

So what can be done? Slow the bikes down? Is that possible?

 

All i know, I'll always watch speedway as I love and enjoy watching any form of it. But there certainly seems less passing now than ever before, and the excitement of that is what gets spectators through the door!

[Nobblytriers]

The fact that the riders say how good Lynn's track is, for me, says the track is good. I don't want to see riders bashing through ruts and holes and looking as if they might crash and injury themselves. BUT, last night was a factor of 2 things for me...

 

1. Lakeside were useless! AJ could only manage 1 decent race when he made a start and he's meant to be their star number 1 rider. Buster and the track staff can do NOTHING about that. If you don't have the bike set up right, or haven't got your head on it properly, then you'll never over take someone who has got the right set up i.e Mr Lambert.

 

2. Today's bikes are just about speed! I've started to notice this over the past year or so, but everyone just seems to be intrested in getting their bikes to go as fast as they can. Its great for the riders, because they score more points and pick up more coin. But for the paying spectators, it becomes so dull watching follow the leader. To me, thats what F1 is all about now, If you've got the fastest car you win more often than not. Even when the best riders in the country are in town (Rooboys testominal and the world cup being 2 at lynn) there seemed a lot of FTG wins.

 

So what can be done? Slow the bikes down? Is that possible?

 

All i know, I'll always watch speedway as I love and enjoy watching any form of it. But there certainly seems less passing now than ever before, and the excitement of that is what gets spectators through the door!

 

There's another thread on the forum, in news and discussions I think, and it's about the silencers. It seems that the power is now delivered differently and it's not as responsive as it used to be. I think they say that there's a time lag between opening the throttle and the power kicking in. That must make it difficult to control. Make interesting reading (if you're into that kind of thing)

[DizzAssStar]

 

 

 

2. Today's bikes are just about speed!

 

 

So what can be done? Slow the bikes down? Is that possible?

 

 

 

 

The clue is in the name of the sport which is SPEEDway....................... its not Slowway or even FourRidersGoingAtTheSamePaceToMakeItAllNice&Evenway. !!!!

[scoobydoo]

Any news regarding Lewis kerr?

 

Yes Pearson and Tatum have actually realised it was him in ht2 & not Lewis Rose

[E I Addio]

Lets dissect this one.

 

Have a problem? Well yes, its you. See your signature. It's a pathetic dig. But time and time again we see a dodgy Lynn track on Sky and you defending. Quelle surprise here you are again.

 

It was more than "one rider comes off" - the track was poor. How many times in 15 heats did we actually see a rider pass enough because he was better? You admit yourself on this occasion it was, "processional". What?! So was it good ro bad? You have a go at me for saying it's bad then describe it as "processional" - thats out of the starman book of "disproving your own argument". Now despite the meeting being "processional" we saw half a dozen passes because riders were making mistakes, EL riders making mistakes, Jonsson, Bech and Nilsson - all capable riders, all SWC riders for proper speedway Nations so World Class riders all making mistakes and letting Lynn riders through.

 

Woah, don't turn this on other tracks. Other tracks don't have someone like you who constantly comes on here and in the face of a crap meetings tells us the track is brilliant. Doesn't have the team captain tell us no Sky before a meeting how great the track is before producing that dirge. You're right, there are plenty of other crap tracks but we all know that. We don't keep on about how great and wonderful they are.

 

Frankly, I don't care how many holes and track does or doesn't have. How much shale. How much water. The weather. The trackmans inside leg measurement. I base a good track on one where there is passing because the passing rider has sued his skill to pass the rider in front of him. It's a long time since I've seen that from a meeting at Kings Lynn. It's got to the point a meeting from Kings Lynn on Sky now makes me think, "meh, so what" rather than the "brilliant I thought years ago. But many people have been critical of Poole and Coventry many times over. It's know they both have serious issues, we don't come on here defending the indefensible.

 

Lynn was NOT "smooth and consistent" yesterday. LMAO. If you're going to post lies like that then there is little point in conversing. Did you see how the top class riders were struggling with bend 2?

 

As for the last line. The track was the same for everyone but to Lambert credit he is the one rider who never once looked like he was struggling with it. He just carried on as normal, very impressive.

Spot on. I think you have just articulated what a number of forum members have been thinking for some time. A handful of KL fans are starting to suffer from Shovlar-Starman disease except for the fact that the sun apparently now shines from Busters posterior rather than Matt Fords.

[SteveLyric2]

Spot on. I think you have just articulated what a number of forum members have been thinking for some time. A handful of KL fans are starting to suffer from Shovlar-Starman disease except for the fact that the sun apparently now shines from Busters posterior rather than Matt Fords.

Oh no it doesn't!!!!

[foreverblue]

In last years EL final, Janowski overtook Hans And Harris in one race, so it can't be just the bikes are different and it wasn't because the Poole track was full of holes and as i have said the racing at Peterborough was always exciting and i suspect it still is.

Edited April 1, 2015 by foreverblue

[Sings4Speedway]

The fact that the riders say how good Lynn's track is, for me, says the track is good. I don't want to see riders bashing through ruts and holes and looking as if they might crash and injury themselves. BUT, last night was a factor of 2 things for me...

 

1. Lakeside were useless! AJ could only manage 1 decent race when he made a start and he's meant to be their star number 1 rider. Buster and the track staff can do NOTHING about that. If you don't have the bike set up right, or haven't got your head on it properly, then you'll never over take someone who has got the right set up i.e Mr Lambert.

 

2. Today's bikes are just about speed! I've started to notice this over the past year or so, but everyone just seems to be intrested in getting their bikes to go as fast as they can. Its great for the riders, because they score more points and pick up more coin. But for the paying spectators, it becomes so dull watching follow the leader. To me, thats what F1 is all about now, If you've got the fastest car you win more often than not. Even when the best riders in the country are in town (Rooboys testominal and the world cup being 2 at lynn) there seemed a lot of FTG wins.

 

So what can be done? Slow the bikes down? Is that possible?

 

All i know, I'll always watch speedway as I love and enjoy watching any form of it. But there certainly seems less passing now than ever before, and the excitement of that is what gets spectators through the door!

 

 

Still can't let Eastbourne go. Not in the Elite League any more but can't resist twisting the knife one more time.

 

Join the revolution.

 

The National League is where speedway is in the UK

 

Sorry but the two posts above are on the money. For excitement, passing and over taking you need to look down the leagues.

 

For any spectators that haven't watched the NL recently it is well worth a trip out on a different day......you might just be surprised!

[pointsmeanplayoffs]

Great debate although there are some pretty sensationalist statements. I guess it depends on peoples interpretation of what makes a 'good track'.

 

Buster was asked at a team presentation evening a few years back about the track. It was suggested that Lynn don't dominate their home meetings as much as other teams do because we don't have much of a track advantage. Most teams are full of riders who are openly fans of the track and therefore over perform there compared to other 'away tracks'. It was even suggested by a fan that Buster should dig a few holes in it which only the Lynn riders know about to give us more of an unfair advantage! Buster to his credit dismissed this ludicrous idea and explained the great pride he takes in preparing a quality race track. Yes, he owns the place so has unlimited access, and yes he own loads of machinery so can do whatever preparation he likes but the fact remains the track at Norfolk Arena has won the best prepared track in the Elite League for a few seasons on the trot now and it still remains popular with riders like Chris Holder and Troy Batchelor. Good enough for me.

 

No track is perfect all the time though, no one is saying that. At Lynn we feel that our track is better prepared than most. Sometimes this is to our disadvantage like in the play-offs semis last year when somehow Buster got the track ready so that the meeting could go on despite knowing that the conditions would level out any home advantage we might have against a mighty strong Poole team. And so it turned out, we took no real advantage to Wimbourne Road and just fell short of making the final.

 

This season is still so early, the conditions for speedway are frankly still a little ludicrous with rain and freezing's conditions prevalent which cannot help track conditions. Some of the racing seen at Lynn this year has been a bit processional but to start rubbishing the track is pathetic. I'm not going to throw stones at other peoples tracks, my opinion is only my opinion after all.

 

It might be worth considering that maybe the riders are still not fully up to speed and are making a few mistakes which isn't helping the racing.

 

Hopefully this is coming across as a balanced and reasoned opinion from someone who visits all tracks in the EL each season.

Edited April 1, 2015 by pointsmeanplayoffs

[stevehone]

there were also showers forecast at 7 & 9 last night so I'm guessing things were done to make sure everything went ahead for Sky

[AJK86]

Watched this meeting and what a performance by Lambert, he has a great future for sure.

Kings Lynn were always going to run out easy winners in this meeting and Sky Sports need to choose better meetings, big track v small track only going to go one way and it ended up being a poor meeting to watch.

[bigcatdiary]

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Kings Lynn were always going to run out easy winners in this meeting and Sky Sports need to choose better meetings, big track v small track only going to go one way and it ended up being a poor meeting to watch.

 

I agree, Lakeside are probably one of the worst travellers.

 

Trouble is any visit to Arena is also a guaranteed borefest.

[jammag]

As someone said earlier the riders enjoy it there as they know they will get a better surface there than anywhere else. Does that mean it's going to be the best race track...no it doesn't. A good race track requires more than just a steady surface, it requires a good shape and flow to the track. Just look at Leicester, wonderful little stadium, well prepared track but the shape of it causes all sorts of problems which stops overtaking which means usually once you get to bend 3 lap 1 you can fill your scorecard in. Look at Wimborne road, a few potholes causes riders to become off balance which then then allows riders to come through and get a closer race. From a fans point of view it may be great to see lots of this to see an overtake but do the riders enjoy it, I hardly think so.

 

Riders perception is wonderful, look at last night, jonsson said after heat 1 it's s lot more grippier than I thought it would be, Niels came out a few heats later saying in heat 1 it was slicker than he thought so struggled. So even they find it hard to judge a track and have different opinions.

 

A meeting like last night doesn't help fans view of a track because it was so one sided, you were almost begging lambert or Niels to not gate to see some competitive racing. Unfortunately it didn't happen, not because the track was badly prepared, but purely down to one team not being at the races, this could be the reverse at lakeside on Friday. Will that make it a bad track, I doubt it. The best meetings to watch are the close scoring ones, there may not be much racing but a close score brings extra pressures and reliefs when you finally get that win or what could have been.

 

To say the track is bad all the time now is a ridiculous statement it doesn't win awards for nothing and doesn't hold the World Cup meetings for no good reason either. Every track has bad days, even the show ground, remember how bad that track was when Kenneth broke h is leg it was awful. That doesn't mean it's a bad track it just had a tough night where t didn't go right. Every track has had good meetings and bad meetings where there's no overtaking, it's often because a team doesn't turn up.

[SPEEDY69]

As I said on another thread, faster does not mean better and I think the modern high-revving engines have a big impact, alongside electronic gadgetry around ignition settings etc. I don't really have an answer though - what's F2 speedway like, any better?

[semion]

Interesting reading about Young Lambert and him winning races from the gate. Last season is gating was the main thing letting him down. Anyone know why the change over the winter ?

[AJK86]

As I said on another thread, faster does not mean better and I think the modern high-revving engines have a big impact, alongside electronic gadgetry around ignition settings etc. I don't really have an answer though - what's F2 speedway like, any better?

We saw a bit of F2 Speedway on Ricky's Big Day and it was not a great advert, whether if that was bikes or riders i don't know but it was poor !

[E I Addio]

Trouble is any visit to Arena is also a guaranteed borefest.

Here we go again. After making a complete fool of yourself on the Coventry thread with mudslinging against Mick Horton that you couldn't back up when challenged we now move on to your familiar theme of mudslinging against. Lakeside. Some Lakeside meetings are bore feasts some aren't, just like any other track. Plenty of independent posters on here have confirmed that.

 

Arena get sufficient crowds to sustain EL racing so they must be doing something right. If you don't like Arena nobody forces you to go, but saying any meeting there is a guaranteed bore fest is as blatently untrue as your claim that nobody wanted to ride for Mick Horton. Before indulging in any more mudslinging it might be a good idea to get some help for those repressed emotions that translate into such a negative outlook and desire to snipe constantly, making a fool of yourself in the process.

Edited April 1, 2015 by E I Addio

[Panthers89]

Dull meeting, and cant remember the last time was wowed by a Lynn meeting, a track that good, should showcase better racing than what it does. Lynn done a job on a poor Lakeside performance, you can guarantee that Kennett and Mikkkel Bech wont score that bad again around Lynn though IMO.