weatherwatcher Posted March 20, 2015 Report Share Posted March 20, 2015 Lets hope that he sits down and listens to the older riders to help him with his gatting. Max Clegg was terrible for most of the season at the Lions and it was said he even told riders that he didn't need any help with his gatting, he was left at the start every time and they had gone round the fiorst bend before he evn got his bike down, towards the end of the season he sat and listened and he used all the help and experience the older risers could give him and boy did it make a difference in the last 4 meetings. He came out of the traps like a dog after the hare. So if he listens and uses the help they can give him, he will get there, no use stuggling along on your own as you sometimes only get worse and you have then some very bad habits that are hard to break. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gee jay Posted March 24, 2015 Report Share Posted March 24, 2015 Riders can only ride in the SWC for the country who issue their passport. Lambert, as far as i know, is British and has no claim on a German passport. He, like everyone else, can't simply change nationality rune holta did a pretty good job of flitting back and fore between norwegen and polish depending on whether it was the gp's or wtc and hasn't there been more recently a switch with a latvian/ russian so it would seem it can happen on a licence not just a passport. i agree my first time seeing him and boy he can race. Can't gate for toffee but then again neither could Loram he's in a totally different era to loram . even in the elite league you can get away with missing the start and still have a chance of getting passed into second or even first but in sweden, poland, w.t.c and the gp's he wouldn't do it. he needs to learn how to gate now or will have a very tough time at the top, bomber is a prime example. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted March 24, 2015 Report Share Posted March 24, 2015 (edited) rune holta did a pretty good job of flitting back and fore between norwegen and polish depending on whether it was the gp's or wtc and hasn't there been more recently a switch with a latvian/ russian so it would seem it can happen on a licence not just a passport. No it can't. It really cannot not. Even if you imagined it. Rune Holta was born in Norway and had a Norweigan passport and a Norweigan license. He then moved to Poland, eventually after living their long enough he was able to take out Polish citizenship which entitled him to a Polish passport only then could he ride for Poland in the SWC. He did NOT flit back to Norway ever, once he was Polish thats what he was and now is. Â His license makes sod all difference. He could take out a German, Latvian, American or Argentinian license and he'd still be Polish and the only country he can ride for in the SWC is Poland. Â You ride in the GPs for the country that provides you with your license though. So you could have a German license but a British passport, so you'd ride for GB in the SWC. I'm not sure why it matters what license someone has though as even if a Brit had a German license and won a GP they'd still play the British National anthem as the rider would be British. Â Who is this rider that switched between Latvian and Russian? Greg Laguta, both in Russis and married to a Latvia woman and living in Latvia tried to get Latvia citizenship but failed the tests. As a result of that he couldn't get a passport so the only country he can ride for in the SWC is Russia, he cannot chose to ride for Latvia, even if he has a Latvia license (which he may, or may not have, I have no idea and I doubt anyone knows what license most riders have as they have no relevance to anything) Â Rory Schlein rode in the 2014 SEC qualifiers as the ACU (GB) representative but he's still an Australian and cannot ride for GB in the SWC, only Australia - unless he applies for British citizenship and a passport. Â Changing your Nationality is NOT a speedway thing either. It's up to the country who they allow citizenship to. I'm guessing the Germans are quite picky. Edited March 24, 2015 by SCB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dabbsjoe Posted March 24, 2015 Report Share Posted March 24, 2015 How does Lambert match up to what Woffinden was doing at his age ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sommelier Posted March 24, 2015 Author Report Share Posted March 24, 2015 How does Lambert match up to what Woffinden was doing at his age ? My opinion is that Lambert is better than Woffinden at 16 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The White Knight Posted March 24, 2015 Report Share Posted March 24, 2015 No it can't. It really cannot not. Even if you imagined it. Rune Holta was born in Norway and had a Norweigan passport and a Norweigan license. He then moved to Poland, eventually after living their long enough he was able to take out Polish citizenship which entitled him to a Polish passport only then could he ride for Poland in the SWC. He did NOT flit back to Norway ever, once he was Polish thats what he was and now is. Â His license makes sod all difference. He could take out a German, Latvian, American or Argentinian license and he'd still be Polish and the only country he can ride for in the SWC is Poland. Â You ride in the GPs for the country that provides you with your license though. So you could have a German license but a British passport, so you'd ride for GB in the SWC. I'm not sure why it matters what license someone has though as even if a Brit had a German license and won a GP they'd still play the British National anthem as the rider would be British. Â Who is this rider that switched between Latvian and Russian? Greg Laguta, both in Russis and married to a Latvia woman and living in Latvia tried to get Latvia citizenship but failed the tests. As a result of that he couldn't get a passport so the only country he can ride for in the SWC is Russia, he cannot chose to ride for Latvia, even if he has a Latvia license (which he may, or may not have, I have no idea and I doubt anyone knows what license most riders have as they have no relevance to anything) Â Rory Schlein rode in the 2014 SEC qualifiers as the ACU (GB) representative but he's still an Australian and cannot ride for GB in the SWC, only Australia - unless he applies for British citizenship and a passport. Â Changing your Nationality is NOT a speedway thing either. It's up to the country who they allow citizenship to. I'm guessing the Germans are quite picky. Does that mean it can? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iris123 Posted March 24, 2015 Report Share Posted March 24, 2015 (edited)   You ride in the GPs for the country that provides you with your license though. So you could have a German license but a British passport, so you'd ride for GB in the SWC. I'm not sure why it matters what license someone has though as even if a Brit had a German license and won a GP they'd still play the British National anthem as the rider would be British.   Seem to remember something about this concerning Simon Wigg riding on a Dutch licence and wanting insisting the British national anthem played....  There is though the complicated situation with Kylmäkorpi who has dual citizenship.Both Swedish + Finnish.Has appeared for Finland in the SWC and has also been named in Swedish squads though he hasn't so far ridden.But it got a little heated last year when he was named as the wc for the Finnish GP against the wishes of the Finnish federation I think.They had their man and the promoter had his.Maybe that is why this year there is supposed to be a quali meeting.But I still don't think he can swap at will each season riding for a different team Edited March 24, 2015 by iris123 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bruiser McHuge Posted March 25, 2015 Report Share Posted March 25, 2015 Andy Smith rode on a Polish licence for a good while...whatever licence you ride on doesn't just allow you to ride for that country.. Lambert is English and England are the country he is eligible to ride for 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fromafar Posted March 25, 2015 Report Share Posted March 25, 2015 My opinion is that Lambert is better than Woffinden at 16Watching Woffy at 16 ,he was very controlled and stylish you knew he was going places Personaly I am not convinced with Lambert.Just my opinion and wish him the best of luck through his career and will be happy to be proved wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bruiser McHuge Posted March 25, 2015 Report Share Posted March 25, 2015 I remember Tai Woffinden being in the pits at Claremont in Perth from a tiny kid when his dad was riding.....then years later I saw Tai was heading over here and I didn't think much of it...I was keen to see how he did but I thought he'd be a run of the mill rider, maybe a bit better than his dad given time ! ...but I'd never seen him ride....I saw him on Sky for Rye House when he must have been 16 and I was gobsmacked...not just because he was good but because he gated in one race and completely slowed it down to team ride his partner for a 5-1.....fron then I knew he could be something special...I didn't think he'd be world champion but who can tell at that age anyway.... I don't think Lambert has impressed me as much as Tai , but I do think he's very good with a great chance of doing really well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brummie Kev Posted March 25, 2015 Report Share Posted March 25, 2015 It wont be long before you can throw Ellis Perks into the mix of our next British hope Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Smith Posted March 25, 2015 Report Share Posted March 25, 2015 It wont be long before you can throw Ellis Perks into the mix of our next British hope OMG, are these kids even allowed to breath without being branded the next big things. Â Time is required and when a rider has had 5+ years in the top flight is the time to judge whether there's World Champion potential. Â Once bird's & beer get in their life that hope it's evaporated quickly. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted March 25, 2015 Report Share Posted March 25, 2015 OMG, are these kids even allowed to breath without being branded the next big things. Â Time is required and when a rider has had 5+ years in the top flight is the time to judge whether there's World Champion potential. Â Once bird's & beer get in their life that hope it's evaporated quickly. TBF, what you're saying there is you cannot call someone the next big thing until they are the big thing, in which case they're not the next big thing if that makes any sense. The whole "next big thing" thing is that you're predicting who will be good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waiheke1 Posted March 25, 2015 Report Share Posted March 25, 2015 OMG, are these kids even allowed to breath without being branded the next big things. Â Time is required and when a rider has had 5+ years in the top flight is the time to judge whether there's World Champion potential. Â Once bird's & beer get in their life that hope it's evaporated quickly. the likes of Moore,craven, penhall,Lee,Collins, Rikkardson were all world champs by the time they had 5 years top flight experience... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Smith Posted March 25, 2015 Report Share Posted March 25, 2015 TBF, what you're saying there is you cannot call someone the next big thing until they are the big thing, in which case they're not the next big thing if that makes any sense. The whole "next big thing" thing is that you're predicting who will be good. That's not true though is it. 15-16yo's are not the next big thing ever. At 20-22 they're still extremely young but you start to establish their mentality for the sport. Â 1 World title doesn't make a legend but multiples do. You win 1 World title, can you be the next big thing to win many more. Â This is the position Woffy is at IMO Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brummie Kev Posted March 25, 2015 Report Share Posted March 25, 2015 I make no apologises for mentioning Perks. You have a go at me Screamer for bigging up Perks too early but why are you being dismissive of him by saying once birds and beers get in the way he will fade away, how do you even know that?. Lets have a bit of faith in our younger riders, maybe we are a bit OTT but if we go the opposite way then surely that will have a detrimental effect aswell. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted March 26, 2015 Report Share Posted March 26, 2015 What I would question is why someone with an huge Aussie flag on his kevlars is likely to be out next big thing though. Surely he's Australias next big thing? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bruiser McHuge Posted March 26, 2015 Report Share Posted March 26, 2015 Excuse my ignorance, but who is Ellis Perks ?.......I assume he's expected to be good ! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted March 26, 2015 Report Share Posted March 26, 2015 Excuse my ignorance, but who is Ellis Perks ?.......I assume he's expected to be good ! British born, moved to Aus as a youngster (notice history repeating itself!), just signed for Scunthorpe in the PL and Cradley in the NL. Very good according to reports, scored a paid max against Birmingham last week. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bryn Posted March 26, 2015 Report Share Posted March 26, 2015 He's the son of ex-ref Robbie Perks and also related to former rider Dave Perks. I saw him in action out in Oz as a junior a few years back and he looked very good at that early stage of his career. Prior to the family emigrating to Oz roughly eight years ago I believe he rode junior grasstrack in the UK. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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