stratton Posted March 14, 2015 Report Share Posted March 14, 2015 Perfectly reasonable example is Risager. Im sure Sidney could start a fight in a room on his own! Justin Elkins, Ben Howe , 2 more examples of riders who didnt go forward. Mark Loram was riding British league at 16 and i think averaged 4.5 from reserve. All depends if Lambert wants it enough or in 2 - 3 years could be another David Howe or Simon Stead. Good riders short of top class you forget Mark Loram. the most talented rider ive ever seen and safe as well I see him at 16 mate Loram did you ??? you and Witcher are the two clowns of the forum that i should not even bother with but you are good value and you add loads to the forum apart from your Poole pathetic bias.!!!Give Witcher a text!!, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gavan Posted March 14, 2015 Report Share Posted March 14, 2015 I am not agreeing my memory is poor as you have told me,i remember Risager being rated but he was never ever in the same parish as the three i have named that's my point. YES HE WAS!!!!!!!!!! Just because those 3 had glittering careers does not alter the fact Risager was as good if not better and more highly regarded at 16. Do you pretend to be thick or is it natural? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weatherwatcher Posted March 14, 2015 Report Share Posted March 14, 2015 If Rob is looked after right and they give him the cances he needs then I can see him making into the top levels of World speedway, if not he will just end up as some many other young British riders that had the talent, but through no fault of their own where held back because they never had the chance to make it into the top flights of British speedway or at world level. Hopefully he can get a place with one of the top overseas clubs in the next couple of years as well as over here in the EL. If that happens we have a star in the making. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gavan Posted March 14, 2015 Report Share Posted March 14, 2015 Sidney is just very passionate about his speedway & very knowledgeable passionate maybe......knowledgeable? hmmm I see him at 16 mate Loram did you ??? you and Witcher are the two clowns of the forum that i should not even bother with but you are good value and you add loads to the forum apart from your Poole pathetic bias.!!!Give Witcher a text!!, lol your hilarious sort your knickers out. saw far more of Loram than most on here. My uncle sponsored him at 15 handing him money over the pit wall at Hackney through to 19. He came to my uncles and aunts funerals. I have a race jacket from hids first british semi final at sheffield and i my cousin has the one from his British Final in 1997. We followed him all round the country So dont get started on what i do and dont know. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stratton Posted March 14, 2015 Report Share Posted March 14, 2015 YES HE WAS!!!!!!!!!! Just because those 3 had glittering careers does not alter the fact Risager was as good if not better and more highly regarded at 16. Do you pretend to be thick or is it natural? Knudsen as an example if your brain can take it in!! not that you ever see him ride did YOU? at a 16/ 17 old old averaging Six plus in a really tough BL.Risager was highly rated showed promise but that product was watered down a really diluted product there are endless teenagers who have been highly rated. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iris123 Posted March 14, 2015 Report Share Posted March 14, 2015 there are endless teenagers who have been highly rated. Just leave it there sid and we all agree...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stratton Posted March 14, 2015 Report Share Posted March 14, 2015 passionate maybe......knowledgeable? hmmm lol your hilarious sort your knickers out. saw far more of Loram than most on here. My uncle sponsored him at 15 handing him money over the pit wall at Hackney through to 19. He came to my uncles and aunts funerals. I have a race jacket from hids first british semi final at sheffield and i my cousin has the one from his British Final in 1997. We followed him all round the country So dont get started on what i do and dont know. Can hold my own with you not passionate maybe......knowledgeable? hmmm lol your hilarious sort your knickers out. saw far more of Loram than most on here. My uncle sponsored him at 15 handing him money over the pit wall at Hackney through to 19. He came to my uncles and aunts funerals. I have a race jacket from hids first british semi final at sheffield and i my cousin has the one from his British Final in 1997. We followed him all round the country So dont get started on what i do and dont know. Did you see him race being a mascot? and at aged 16 race? Yes or Know? Or did you see him in the 90s ?. I did see him at Hackney a fair bit one year at reserve sometimes with TItman i always liked him and later on what a racer he was and ( ie) he is a real nice guy.Dont prejudge me did you see him ride in the eighties? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted March 14, 2015 Report Share Posted March 14, 2015 I think all we've managed to show so far is what a rider is like at 15-18 means nothing compared to what they may have achieved by the time they have retired. One of the greatest ever Ivan Mauger was a nobody, a nothing, a irrelevant at 15-18 but I bet there not many who would not swap their careers/lives for his! By many we're talking maybe 1 or 2. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dontforgetthefueltapsbruv Posted March 14, 2015 Report Share Posted March 14, 2015 Knudsen as an example if your brain can take it in!! not that you ever see him ride did YOU? at a 16/ 17 old old averaging Six plus in a really tough BL.Risager was highly rated showed promise but that product was watered down a really diluted product there are endless teenagers who have been highly rated.if you are going to use the 'watered down" arguement to try to back up your Risager case then you really have shot yourself in the foot for your Lambert case! 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phillipsr Posted March 14, 2015 Report Share Posted March 14, 2015 if you are going to use the 'watered down" arguement to try to back up your Risager case then you really have shot yourself in the foot for your Lambert case! Sidney is never wrong tho so now im confused? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stratton Posted March 14, 2015 Report Share Posted March 14, 2015 if you are going to use the 'watered down" arguement to try to back up your Risager case then you really have shot yourself in the foot for your Lambert case!What i am saying Knudsen (ect) were in a far harder league miles harder I have seen both riders RIsager / Lambert for me Lambert was the better (ie) because his gating was very poor but did well also Lambert did it in a top five all season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sommelier Posted March 14, 2015 Author Report Share Posted March 14, 2015 If Rob is looked after right and they give him the cances he needs then I can see him making into the top levels of World speedway, if not he will just end up as some many other young British riders that had the talent, but through no fault of their own where held back because they never had the chance to make it into the top flights of British speedway or at world level. Hopefully he can get a place with one of the top overseas clubs in the next couple of years as well as over here in the EL. If that happens we have a star in the making. Yes I know where you are coming from with young riders showing loads of promise at a young age and not progressing to the very top. Three riders come to my mind who I felt under achieved, and I am not knocking them these are Alf Busk, Kevin Jolly and Mel Taylor in my opinion I thought they would have gone further than they did. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stratton Posted March 14, 2015 Report Share Posted March 14, 2015 Yes I know where you are coming from with young riders showing loads of promise at a young age and not progressing to the very top. Three riders come to my mind who I felt under achieved, and I am not knocking them these are Alf Busk, Kevin Jolly and Mel Taylor in my opinion I thought they would have gone further than they did.All three added with Michael Graves, who i thought would do better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sommelier Posted March 14, 2015 Author Report Share Posted March 14, 2015 All three added with Michael Graves, who i thought would do better. Yes he is another rider that looked so promising. But for me Busk looked so stylish, i travelled out with Hans in 1977 wen Busk won U21 at Vojens, mind he did have Olsen in his camp Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
salty Posted March 14, 2015 Report Share Posted March 14, 2015 Can hold my own with you not Did you see him race being a mascot? and at aged 16 race? Yes or Know? Or did you see him in the 90s ?. I did see him at Hackney a fair bit one year at reserve sometimes with TItman i always liked him and later on what a racer he was and ( ie) he is a real nice guy.Dont prejudge me did you see him ride in the eighties? I know you are rarely wrong Sid, but I don't think you ever saw Loram riding at reserve for Hackney alongside Titman. Titman left Waterden Road at the end of 1983 and went to Wimbledon. Loram didn't start until later. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWitcher Posted March 14, 2015 Report Share Posted March 14, 2015 What i am saying Knudsen (ect) were in a far harder league miles harder I have seen both riders RIsager / Lambert for me Lambert was the better (ie) because his gating was very poor but did well also Lambert did it in a top five all season. Yeah, while Risager was racing (and beating) Nicki Pedersen, Jason Crump.. Lambert was beating Ashley Morris and Benji Compton. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stratton Posted March 14, 2015 Report Share Posted March 14, 2015 Yeah, while Risager was racing (and beating) Nicki Pedersen, Jason Crump.. Lambert was beating Ashley Morris and Benji Compton.Knudsen at I know you are rarely wrong Sid, but I don't think you ever saw Loram riding at reserve for Hackney alongside Titman. Titman left Waterden Road at the end of 1983 and went to Wimbledon. Loram didn't start until later. I know you are rarely wrong Sid, but I don't think you ever saw Loram riding at reserve for Hackney alongside Titman. Titman left Waterden Road at the end of 1983 and went to Wimbledon. Loram didn't start until later.Yep hands up to that SAlty it could of been Galvin but Loram at 16 was very decent -all i will say to Witcher is Lambert will turn out a better rider than Risager. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted March 14, 2015 Report Share Posted March 14, 2015 Sidney is never wrong tho so now im confused? Sidney has seen things most of us cannot imagine! What i am saying Knudsen (ect) were in a far harder league miles harder I have seen both riders RIsager / Lambert for me Lambert was the better (ie) because his gating was very poor but did well also Lambert did it in a top five all season. Risagers gating was brilliant. Risager spent the whole season in the 1-5. Knudsen at Yep hands up to that SAlty it could of been Galvin but Loram at 16 was very decent -all i will say to Witcher is Lambert will turn out a better rider than Risager. I don't think thats too difficult a prediction to make though. Risagers has turned into a huge anti-climax, a massive disappointment. To beat Risager doesn't mean Lambert will be great, just not as rubbish. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacques Posted March 14, 2015 Report Share Posted March 14, 2015 Sidney has seen things most of us cannot imagine! Risagers gating was brilliant. Risager spent the whole season in the 1-5. I don't think thats too difficult a prediction to make though. Risagers has turned into a huge anti-climax, a massive disappointment. To beat Risager doesn't mean Lambert will be great, just not as rubbish. Risager was one of the massively touted talents I remember it well. I can't remember which season it was now, one of the first meetings of the season after a mediocre end to the previous season and he came out and scalped a GP rider, was it Nicki P? We thought, Whoah, the boy is back .He didn't live up to it though. 2006/2007 was it Shawn? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted March 14, 2015 Report Share Posted March 14, 2015 2006/2007 was it Shawn? 2006 he had a poor year but struggled with injury. Averaged less than 4. Then in 2007 he come back and was scoring well again, he beat Nicki and Bjarne (then at the height of his scoring) in consecutive weeks. Looked to be back to where he was pre-injury then Oxford folded and he was dropped and replaced by Johno. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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