sommelier Posted March 12, 2015 Report Share Posted March 12, 2015 I believe what Lambert achieved last year is quite remarkable. With him coming in to the main body of the team and ending up with over a five point average and claiming a paid maximum in his first year was outstanding. In my opinion apart from Mike Lee. Emil and possibly Ward I have not seen a better sixteen year old! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted March 12, 2015 Report Share Posted March 12, 2015 Morten Risager was better at 16 IMO. Look at him now! Not even as good as he was at 16 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foamfence Posted March 12, 2015 Report Share Posted March 12, 2015 You can never tell what level a rider will reach but Lambert started at as high a level as anyone has. I'm always afraid that those who find professional sports all too easy, can go off the rails or lose interest, as the initial challenge fades. So far I've been very impressed with Young Lambert, I would have been even happier if he had made clear his nationality allegiance earlier. As long as his heart remains in it, he'll get to the top, with such a wonderfully supportive family and his natural ability, how can he fail? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sommelier Posted March 12, 2015 Author Report Share Posted March 12, 2015 You can never tell what level a rider will reach but Lambert started at as high a level as anyone has. I'm always afraid that those who find professional sports all too easy, can go off the rails or lose interest, as the initial challenge fades. So far I've been very impressed with Young Lambert, I would have been even happier if he had made clear his nationality allegiance earlier. As long as his heart remains in it, he'll get to the top, with such a wonderfully supportive family and his natural ability, how can he fail? Very well said, i totally agree with you Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bagpuss Posted March 12, 2015 Report Share Posted March 12, 2015 He has all the raw materials required accept the ability to gate. If he can get that right and keep a level head on his shoulders he can go as far as he likes in the sport, injuries permitting of course. Last year was a good solid start for him, hope to see him progress a bit more this season and make a big impression in the PL. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tocha Posted March 12, 2015 Report Share Posted March 12, 2015 You can never tell what level a rider will reach but Lambert started at as high a level as anyone has. I'm always afraid that those who find professional sports all too easy, can go off the rails or lose interest, as the initial challenge fades. So far I've been very impressed with Young Lambert, I would have been even happier if he had made clear his nationality allegiance earlier. As long as his heart remains in it, he'll get to the top, with such a wonderfully supportive family and his natural ability, how can he fail? It is always very difficult to predict what lies in store for a rider showing early promise. I first watched Rob doing a series of 4 laps outings at Rye House when he was 14. These were timed and at one meeting were faster than some recorded in the main match. Then, on the other hand, Steve Boxall was equally impressive at a similar age and, look at David Howe as a youngster riding for Peterborough. It isn't just natural ability but a determination to succeed, and proof following the career of one Ivan Mauger, a rider having not that much natural talent but an iron hardness to be the best. The same could be said of Ove Fundin. So, how will Robert do? He has a great family support around him and appears very mature - an interview at Rye House at the age of 14 verifies this. Personally, I think he could go the whole way. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stratton Posted March 12, 2015 Report Share Posted March 12, 2015 Morten Risager was better at 16 IMO. Look at him now! Not even as good as he was at 16Rubbish!Lambert might go on and fail,i personally think he has every chance of doing very well indeed Risager was decent but please Risager is a poor example SCB. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The White Knight Posted March 12, 2015 Report Share Posted March 12, 2015 It is always very difficult to predict what lies in store for a rider showing early promise. I first watched Rob doing a series of 4 laps outings at Rye House when he was 14. These were timed and at one meeting were faster than some recorded in the main match. Then, on the other hand, Steve Boxall was equally impressive at a similar age and, look at David Howe as a youngster riding for Peterborough. It isn't just natural ability but a determination to succeed, and proof following the career of one Ivan Mauger, a rider having not that much natural talent but an iron hardness to be the best. The same could be said of Ove Fundin. So, how will Robert do? He has a great family support around him and appears very mature - an interview at Rye House at the age of 14 verifies this. Personally, I think he could go the whole way. Let's hope that you are right. There is precious little to cheer about in British Speedway these days. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trees Posted March 12, 2015 Report Share Posted March 12, 2015 There is at my club, can't wait for the season to start for our great team including Robert 😊 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted March 12, 2015 Report Share Posted March 12, 2015 (edited) Rubbish!Lambert might go on and fail,i personally think he has every chance of doing very well indeed Risager was decent but please Risager is a poor example SCB. Risager averaged 5.81 in the EL riding as a second string all year. Robert Lambert got 6.04. So about 0.20 of a point between them. But Lambert had 4 rides a meeting against NL riders. Risager was competing against Olly Allen, Davey Watt, Ricky Ashworth, Dan Davidsson, Lyons, Walasek, Zorro, Kelv, Andy Smith. He had no easy rides, where as Lambert was basically offered 4 points by beating NL riders. Â Risager is a brilliant example of a rider who was raved about at 15 and 16 but by 21 had failed and been moved around half the EL (I think he's had spells at Coventry, Eastbourne, BV, Ipswich and Peterborough by then before going on to also ride for Swindon and Lynn in the EL) Edited March 12, 2015 by SCB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stratton Posted March 12, 2015 Report Share Posted March 12, 2015 (edited) Risager averaged 5.81 in the EL riding as a second string all year. Robert Lambert got 6.04. So about 0.20 of a point between them. But Lambert had 4 rides a meeting against NL riders. Risager was competing against Olly Allen, Davey Watt, Ricky Ashworth, Dan Davidsson, Lyons, Walasek, Zorro, Kelv, Andy Smith. He had no easy rides, where as Lambert was basically offered 4 points by beating NL riders. Â Risager is a brilliant example of a rider who was raved about at 15 and 16 but by 21 had failed and been moved around half the EL (I think he's had spells at Coventry, Eastbourne, BV, Ipswich and Peterborough by then before going on to also ride for Swindon and Lynn in the EL) A poor example have a rethink ? you yourself do you rate Lambert or not? forget the stats and figures and age Risager was not in the same league at the same stage. Edited March 12, 2015 by sidney Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Star Lady Posted March 12, 2015 Report Share Posted March 12, 2015 Genuine question SCB - was Risager riding in the Danish league at the same time? or any other league? If he was he had an advantage. Lambert because of intransigent rules/ruling body could only ride in one league. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iris123 Posted March 12, 2015 Report Share Posted March 12, 2015 Genuine question SCB - was Risager riding in the Danish league at the same time? or any other league? If he was he had an advantage. Lambert because of intransigent rules/ruling body could only ride in one league. Robert has done a fair bit in Germany Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Star Lady Posted March 12, 2015 Report Share Posted March 12, 2015 Robert has done a fair bit in Germany  I realise that but it's not exactly on a par with Denmark/Sweden GB IMHO. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted March 12, 2015 Report Share Posted March 12, 2015 Genuine question SCB - was Risager riding in the Danish league at the same time? or any other league? If he was he had an advantage. Lambert because of intransigent rules/ruling body could only ride in one league.Im guessing he was riding in Denmark. But Robert has raced in Germany for 2 seasons. I see Sidneys at it again too. Uses averages yet when you use them decided they don't matter. It's all about opinion. At 16 I and many others rated Risager highly. He was beating better riders than Lambert was last year.  None of this means I don't rate Lambert but let's not gloss over how good Risager was at 16, or even David Howe! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stratton Posted March 12, 2015 Report Share Posted March 12, 2015 Im guessing he was riding in Denmark. But Robert has raced in Germany for 2 seasons. I see Sidneys at it again too. Uses averages yet when you use them decided they don't matter. It's all about opinion. At 16 I and many others rated Risager highly. He was beating better riders than Lambert was last year. None of this means I don't rate Lambert but let's not gloss over how good Risager was at 16, or even David Howe! Was Risager in the top five? and you don't convince me that you rate Lambert? Risager i see a few times i think he rode with Smolinski on a few accasions he was decent no disrespect was never EVER going to be a star. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iris123 Posted March 12, 2015 Report Share Posted March 12, 2015 Â I realise that but it's not exactly on a par with Denmark/Sweden GB IMHO. I agree if you talk about the Danish Superleague.But as a 16 year old in your first season on a 500cc you normally have to do half a season in the lower league before you ride in the top league.So it might not be the case that Risager was riding much in a better league than the German. Â Anyway I don't see much to gain from comparing.Let's cross our fingers that Robert and a few of the others go further than Morten.There was a joint thread a few years about Robert and Nathan Greaves.Hw is Nathan progressing and we also have a decent junior in Zak Wajknecht I think Was Risager in the top five? and you don't convince me that you rate Lambert? Risager i see a few times i think he rode with Smolinski on a few accasions he was decent no disrespect was never EVER going to be a star. I think you are being a bit unfair.Risager was very highly rated by a number of people.In fact a friend of mine here in Germany still brings the fact up on the web now and again to wind people up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spin king Posted March 12, 2015 Report Share Posted March 12, 2015 I will add to the debate of Risager and Lambert. Â The league was a hell of a lot stronger when Risager was 16 compared to Lambert. Â Lambert is a fine prospect but we have to careful not over hype him. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Star Lady Posted March 12, 2015 Report Share Posted March 12, 2015 Im guessing he was riding in Denmark. But Robert has raced in Germany for 2 seasons.  I see Sidneys at it again too. Uses averages yet when you use them decided they don't matter. It's all about opinion. At 16 I and many others rated Risager highly. He was beating better riders than Lambert was last year.  None of this means I don't rate Lambert but let's not gloss over how good Risager was at 16, or even David Howe!  It's all about opinions isn't it  I've never been impressed by Risager but can't honestly say how old he was when I saw him ride I can remember Michael Lee and Lambert doesn't impress me in the way he did. Don't get me wrong Lambert IMO is good but I don't think it's the natural talent that Lee had. Lambert's is more acquired skill, and damn good skill at that. Lee tho had that indefinable something that Darcy also had when he first came over.  Looking at all three of Lambert, Lee and Ward I think in the long run over a whole career (injuries permitting) Lambert will probably be the most successful, simply because he IMO is the most grounded and level headed and works at his craft rather than relying on his natural talent. I just hope he stays that way. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fromafar Posted March 12, 2015 Report Share Posted March 12, 2015 having not seen Lambert live I won't comment on his prospect in relation to others I have seen,but I feel he will have to get out of Uk and ride against the best riders in the World if he wants to make it to the top the EL is far from its name and will hold him backIMO Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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