Grand Central Posted May 6, 2015 Report Share Posted May 6, 2015 THERE to be shot at but really just the messenger. Only a good excuse to a point. I would stop actually being the messenger, though, when I realised I was being told nonsense. Time and again. What is your limit? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PHILIPRISING Posted May 6, 2015 Report Share Posted May 6, 2015 Only a good excuse to a point. I would stop actually being the messenger, though, when I realised I was being told nonsense. Time and again. What is your limit? BUT you don't actually know for sure that it is nonsense. Just because you don't agree doesn't necessarily make it so. Ditto you Humphrey... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grand Central Posted May 6, 2015 Report Share Posted May 6, 2015 BUT you don't actually know for sure that it is nonsense. Just because you don't agree doesn't necessarily make it so. Ditto you Humphrey... Ok ... Leaving aside the concrete 'centre green' at Ratina, for a moment.. Would not just a little, tiny element of cynicism on the part of the messenger be appropriate. At least now, after recent events. Must the messenger always take the 'official word' as gospel? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted May 6, 2015 Report Share Posted May 6, 2015 Having watch that video I have low expectation levels for any kind of entertainment next weekend. The corners are still too square, anyone with even the tinniest bit of speedway knowledge can surely see that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grand Central Posted May 6, 2015 Report Share Posted May 6, 2015 (edited) " anyone with even the tiniest bit of speedway knowledge "I think that may be the job description.When BSI go looking for a new 'guru' to help them out of the current mire. . Edited May 6, 2015 by Grand Central 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PHILIPRISING Posted May 6, 2015 Report Share Posted May 6, 2015 Ok ... Leaving aside the concrete 'centre green' at Ratina, for a moment.. Would not just a little, tiny element of cynicism on the part of the messenger be appropriate. At least now, after recent events. Must the messenger always take the 'official word' as gospel? I haven't said it is gospel just what the official explanation is. You and others can make up their own minds. As do I. Do I think the shape of the track at the Ratina is conducive to good speedway? No I do not. Would I like to see them change the shape of the track? Yes I would. Do I believe that making the track wider and shorter is possible? Short of digging it up myself and looking to see where the drainage is I can only ask the people who are building it and relay their answers. But you would have to ask why if there wasn't in fact a drainage problem and it wasn't practical they wouldn't change the shape of the track in light of what all the riders said last year. Why invent a problem which doesn't exist when the alternative would present the meeting in a much more favourable light? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grand Central Posted May 6, 2015 Report Share Posted May 6, 2015 (edited) No need for all those questions, though. The track had all these problems last year. They, apparently, could never be solved. Good enough reason not to return. . Edited May 6, 2015 by Grand Central 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phillipsr Posted May 6, 2015 Report Share Posted May 6, 2015 (edited) No need for all those questions, though. The track had all these problems last year. They, apparently, could never be solved. Good enough reason not to return. . More important is surely the fact that the powers that be promised the track would be better than last year and how they had learnt there lessons (where have we heard that before) now we learn that actually theres nothing they can do so we will just have to put up with the same s**t as last year. Now they must of realised last year when they laid the track that changes wouldnt be possible so either they are liars or even more incompitent than we thought... Edited May 6, 2015 by phillipsr 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Humphrey Appleby Posted May 6, 2015 Report Share Posted May 6, 2015 No need for all those questions, though. The track had all these problems last year. They, apparently, could never be solved. Good enough reason not to return. It's all about the money, money, money... It's becoming a predictable pattern. Crap track or abandoned meeting and the stops are pulled out to deflect the blame and convince the public that 'lessons will be learned', hoping that the suckers will have forgotten by the following year. Because after all, most fans go for the beer anyway, don't they? The trouble is, it just keeps happening and people are starting to remember what was said the previous year. Now they just need to make the connection that BSI really aren't very good at their job after all. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dekker Posted May 6, 2015 Report Share Posted May 6, 2015 (edited) As long as there is a 5star hotel for the bsi and FIM delegates to freeload on the track doesn't really come into it. You clearly forget for whom the GP series was created for. Edited May 6, 2015 by Dekker Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sommelier Posted May 6, 2015 Report Share Posted May 6, 2015 Well, the test meeting was held on May 2. Those with a strong stomach can watch it here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N07fDgxa7ZA The racing was clearly dreadful. But on the positive side the Finnish Officials and riders managed to get through a full meeting. So they are one up on their SGP counterparts. Thanks for the link Second placed Timo Lahti is, rather ominously, quoted as saying "Track was still quite difficult, but hopefully it will be better in GP". I am unsure if it qualifies for what Philip Rising, rather queasily, describes as 'A stage fit for the riders to strutt their stuff' But I should think that Paul Bellamy is getting his excuses ready as I type. . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Triple.H. Posted May 6, 2015 Report Share Posted May 6, 2015 Looking at that video they should move the start closer to the first turn. Sort the men out from the boys. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eglese 19 Posted May 6, 2015 Report Share Posted May 6, 2015 Ah well, what will be will be, at least I'll get to see a whole GP if it's like last year! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f-s-p Posted May 11, 2015 Report Share Posted May 11, 2015 (edited) THERE to be shot at but really just the messenger. Have just completed the programme for the Finnish GP and in every conversation we have had with the promoters still being told that drastic changes to the shape of the track are impossible because that would require disturbing the drainage around the soccer pitch which they are not allowed to do. Last year most of the riders did 69+ second heat times at Ratina. Tero Aarnio won the opening heat at the test meeting with 67,4. Hands up who thinks the track is the same shape? Edited May 11, 2015 by f-s-p Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starman2006 Posted May 11, 2015 Report Share Posted May 11, 2015 Gutted. Arrive in helsinki on business the day after this meeting. Had a look at changing flights to travel a day earlier but would cost over 200 quid to change. Schoolboy error not checking the date of this before booking. If your going on business then surely you can find a way of getting round it and going the day before !!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iris123 Posted May 11, 2015 Report Share Posted May 11, 2015 (edited) Last year most of the riders did 69+ second heat times at Ratina. Tero Aarnio won the opening heat at the test meeting with 67,4. Hands up who thinks the track is the same shape? Does it matter?What matters is the track gives good racing,not how quick is is compared to last year..........it seems the video of the meeting is hard on the eyes.The proof of the pudding will be what the GP is like.One thing in its favour is it can't be worse than last year or the last GP.....can it? Edited May 11, 2015 by iris123 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waiheke1 Posted May 11, 2015 Report Share Posted May 11, 2015 If your going on business then surely you can find a way of getting round it and going the day before !!!Trip has been delayed to October so its a moot point anyway Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starman2006 Posted May 11, 2015 Report Share Posted May 11, 2015 Trip has been delayed to October so its a moot point anyway So that means your free to go, if you want to .. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DutchGrasstrack Posted May 11, 2015 Report Share Posted May 11, 2015 Kai Laukkanen (one of the promotors) says on Facebook that the track has a new shape and that he's expecting lots of passes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iris123 Posted May 11, 2015 Report Share Posted May 11, 2015 Kai Laukkanen (one of the promotors) says on Facebook that the track has a new shape and that he's expecting lots of passes Old news.On here a few weeks back and what is he going to say? "we expect the same old crap as last year,but as long as the mugs pay for tickets we are laughing...." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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