Steve0 Posted February 26, 2015 Report Share Posted February 26, 2015 I don't think you quite understand do you. A ruling has been made. It's not fantasy, its not fiction. The ruling from the governing body of the sport quite clearly states that any points scored by Ward during the period of 17th-27th August will be removed "WHATEVER THE RAMIFICATIONS". That's not anyone drawing people in... it's as official as it gets. I don't think you get it - it changes nothing as far as 2014 is concerned. The play-offs were contested without said banned rider so it's gone. You can argue all you want that with KL having the pick things could have been different - but we will never know. You get it now? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWitcher Posted February 26, 2015 Author Report Share Posted February 26, 2015 I don't think you get it - it changes nothing as far as 2014 is concerned. The play-offs were contested without said banned rider so it's gone. You can argue all you want that with KL having the pick things could have been different - but we will never know. You get it now? Yes, clearly. And herein is a perfect example of just why this sport is in the mess it is. Folk just rolling over and accepting things, its little wonder Poole walk all over the league is it. I'm not arguing anything either. I've simply stated that Kings Lynn finished top of the Elite League in 2014. Poole's victory now comes with an * next to it, rather like Barry Bonds home run record in Baseball. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreverblue Posted February 27, 2015 Report Share Posted February 27, 2015 Poole won the play offs, the same teams would have contested it, who knows who Kings Lynn would have picked. Darcy should have been suspended immediately and not have been allowed to ride in any meetings after his test. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dump that clutch Posted February 27, 2015 Report Share Posted February 27, 2015 who cares.. .. Poole won the league (play-offs) without Darcy... It seems people just like to have a whinge and a moan at every little scrap of an in-difference. Yes Darcy's points will be scrapped off the matches he rode in.... sorted, Kings Lynn 'finish' top of the play-off table... sorted..... then the skullduggering Pirates won the 'play-offs..... sorted. it is now a new year, pretty sure there will be other issues for us to have a pop at over the coming season... lets move along now, nothing to debate about here to be honest. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
semion Posted February 27, 2015 Report Share Posted February 27, 2015 As a Lynn fan I dont want to win anything by default. Last season is done, dusted and forgot about. Its a clean sheet of paper in 2/3 weeks time. Lets see if we can give it another good crack and win,lose or draw, lets all enjoy it. Then come the end of the season, If Poole want to buy another title, then so be it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grachan Posted February 27, 2015 Report Share Posted February 27, 2015 (edited) Poole beat King's Lynn fair and square in the play-offs. They were undisputed 2014 Elite League Champions. Thinking about it, I see no case for that to be reversed. I do think the league table should be altered and King's Lynn put a the top, with Darcy's points deducted from those matches. Not sure I agree with the decision to do that, but it was, nevertheless, made. No big deal though, because Poole were stil league champions. The first year I went to Speedway, Hull were bottom of the league and Oxford second from bottom. After the season, a Hull v Oxford result was altered and Oxford's position changed to bottom. It can happen. Edited February 27, 2015 by grachan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theknow 2 Posted February 27, 2015 Report Share Posted February 27, 2015 Congratulations King's Lynn. Pooles victory feels very hollow now. Talking utter crap !!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted February 27, 2015 Report Share Posted February 27, 2015 No wonder speedway is a joke and Poole get away with murder. The FIM say results should be changed and everyone's answers is, "so what?". Oh dear. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MANSE Posted February 27, 2015 Report Share Posted February 27, 2015 Why does Wards ban start from the 27/8. Surely you cant ban someone from 27/8 and say the previous weeks points have to be removed if so a guest would have rode end of Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldace Posted February 27, 2015 Report Share Posted February 27, 2015 No wonder speedway is a joke and Poole get away with murder. The FIM say results should be changed and everyone's answers is, "so what?". Oh dear. The ruling has been made and as such there is no debate, Kings Lynn now top the 2014 league table. Of course it then gets a bit more complicated as to where you go with the new reality. . Of course Poole picked Kings Lynn and eliminated them and that, as things now stand was unfair, but in truth there are only 2 options really. 1 Do nothing and leave things as they are (the likely, and really the most sensible option) 2 Declare the play off competition void and have no winner of the 2014 play offs, reverting to the league table to determine league champions making the winners Kings Lynn. Either way the FIM have made the situation worse with this silly decision to backtrack to Wards riding in the period between offence and suspension. Whether you think its right or not he was not banned or suspended at that time and was legally used in those matches so it would have been easier all round if they had not referenced making those results null and void 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted February 27, 2015 Report Share Posted February 27, 2015 No, what you do is let Poole remain Champions - but you put a * next to there name and explain how they actually finished top but were found at a later date not to have done so should have no had first pick and thus things could have been different if one of their riders was not a moron. Maybe Shawn Moran should never have had his 2nd place take away in '90? After all, you couldn't re-run the meeting could you? This indiscretion has to be b noted, the FIM have said so. I still think it would be funny to shut up all them Darcy fans who said he should sue the FIM if Kings Lynn the same threats to Darcy though Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MANSE Posted February 27, 2015 Report Share Posted February 27, 2015 (edited) SCB some of things you quote are crap.How are Poole or Ward are at fault when FIM ban Ward from the 28/8 then 6 months latter change it to the 17/8 if Poole had known that they surely would have made the required changes. Not even a Poole fan just making a logical opinion .unlike you being ANTI- POOLE every time i read any post Edited February 27, 2015 by MANSE 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWitcher Posted February 27, 2015 Author Report Share Posted February 27, 2015 SCB some of things you quote are crap.How are Poole or Ward are at fault when FIM ban Ward from the 28/8 then 6 months latter change it to the 17/8 if Poole had known that they surely would have made the required changes. Not even a Poole fan just making a logical opinion .unlike you being ANTI- POOLE every time i read any post He isn't posting 'crap'. He is posting fact. Its a reality. It has happened. A ruling has been passed. Are you too dense to actually understand that? Poole were fully aware of what had taken place with Darcy. They would also have been fully aware that there may be retrospective action taken in the future. Perhaps if they had shown some integrity at the time they would have suspended Ward... after all Ford had stated he was on his last chance prior hadn't he? Man Utd suspended Eric Cantona before he was actually banned by the FA. Hopefully speedway clubs will learn a lesson from this and start to treat these incidents seriously... but I won't hold my breath. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted February 27, 2015 Report Share Posted February 27, 2015 SCB some of things you quote are crap.How are Poole or Ward are at fault when FIM ban Ward from the 28/8 then 6 months latter change it to the 17/8 if Poole had known that they surely would have made the required changes. Not even a Poole fan just making a logical opinion .unlike you being ANTI- POOLE every time i read any post So sorry you find the FIMs ruling crap. Maybe as you don't like the ban for Darcy you can ignore that too? Let Darcy ride, the FIM ruling is crap. Let Poole stay top of the regular season league table as the FIM ruling is crap. Sadly for you, you are not judge or jury, the FIM are! And yes, I hate Poole but at least I have the bollocks to admit it. Unlike half the Poole fans who were excited at the prospect of no Coventry in 2011 and denied when asked. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreverblue Posted February 27, 2015 Report Share Posted February 27, 2015 He isn't posting 'crap'. He is posting fact. Its a reality. It has happened. A ruling has been passed. Are you too dense to actually understand that? Poole were fully aware of what had taken place with Darcy. They would also have been fully aware that there may be retrospective action taken in the future. Perhaps if they had shown some integrity at the time they would have suspended Ward... after all Ford had stated he was on his last chance prior hadn't he? Man Utd suspended Eric Cantona before he was actually banned by the FA. Hopefully speedway clubs will learn a lesson from this and start to treat these incidents seriously... but I won't hold my breath. If Poole has suspended Darcy then they wouldn't have got a facility, Man utd would have had another player to replace Cantona, maybe not quite the same ability wise but not a youth player So sorry you find the FIMs ruling crap. Maybe as you don't like the ban for Darcy you can ignore that too? Let Darcy ride, the FIM ruling is crap. Let Poole stay top of the regular season league table as the FIM ruling is crap. Sadly for you, you are not judge or jury, the FIM are! And yes, I hate Poole but at least I have the bollocks to admit it. Unlike half the Poole fans who were excited at the prospect of no Coventry in 2011 and denied when asked. I don't know anyone who wanted Coventry to fold,no wonder they denied it. I don't think anyone is in doubt that you hate Poole!! As i have said he should have been suspended immediately and not allowed to race. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted February 27, 2015 Report Share Posted February 27, 2015 As i have said he should have been suspended immediately and not allowed to race. Poole hater! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWitcher Posted February 27, 2015 Author Report Share Posted February 27, 2015 If Poole has suspended Darcy then they wouldn't have got a facility, So? If Darcy hadn't got p****d none of this would have happened. That's the be all and end all and where any blame lies. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
salty Posted February 27, 2015 Report Share Posted February 27, 2015 If Poole has suspended Darcy then they wouldn't have got a facility, Man utd would have had another player to replace Cantona, maybe not quite the same ability wise but not a youth player They could have replaced him in the 1-7? The offence (we don't have to use the word alledged anymore!)took place before the deadline for team changes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveLyric2 Posted February 27, 2015 Report Share Posted February 27, 2015 He isn't posting 'crap'. He is posting fact. Its a reality. It has happened. A ruling has been passed. Are you too dense to actually understand that? Poole were fully aware of what had taken place with Darcy. They would also have been fully aware that there may be retrospective action taken in the future. Perhaps if they had shown some integrity at the time they would have suspended Ward... after all Ford had stated he was on his last chance prior hadn't he? Man Utd suspended Eric Cantona before he was actually banned by the FA. Hopefully speedway clubs will learn a lesson from this and start to treat these incidents seriously... but I won't hold my breath. Man Utd suspended Cantona for something he did whilst playing for Man Utd - entirely different to the Ward situation, so stop stirring. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWitcher Posted February 27, 2015 Author Report Share Posted February 27, 2015 (edited) Man Utd suspended Cantona for something he did whilst playing for Man Utd - entirely different to the Ward situation, so stop stirring. Ah so Darcy isn't banned for riding for Poole then as he did something when not racing for them? Otherwise I'm afraid your post is irrelevant. What is there to stir anyway? Its a direct ruling from the FIM. Its in black and white. Edited February 27, 2015 by BWitcher Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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