OveFundinFan Posted March 3, 2015 Report Share Posted March 3, 2015 Very true but like I've said the race should not be delayed each time there is an infringement. Let the race be run and then take the offending riders to task after the race with warnings and or fines. and what sort of warning do you think a rider would respond to such that the next time he goes to the tapes he will be lined up nicely in time.? Like wise what sort of fine do you think would sort him out? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vince Posted March 3, 2015 Report Share Posted March 3, 2015 Make it a team offence. Yellow card for the first offender red card from then on means that rider is disqualified after the race? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fromafar Posted March 3, 2015 Report Share Posted March 3, 2015 That's where a bit of flexibility and common sense is require. For example imagine the start of heat 15 with the scores level and the home No 1 is on his way to the start but is still 3 metres short when the two minutes are up. Are the paying public to be deprived of the excitement of a crucial race for such a minor infringement? I think there is a case for saying that if the meeting has been ticking over fairly smoothly the ref should be lenient about the odd minor delay but if the riders are clearly messing around there should be a warning given to the pits and relayed to the public that no unnecessary delays will be tolerated, but I suppose when we analyse it there is no easy answer. If the time is up he should be out,that's the whole point of the 2 min warning is it not.A clock would be beneficial so the fans can see why he is out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barrow boy Posted March 3, 2015 Author Report Share Posted March 3, 2015 If the time is up he should be out,that's the whole point of the 2 min warning is it not.A clock would be beneficial so the fans can see why he is out. But this will mean a replacement being introduced and then a delay in bringing in a replacement etc etc which is the whole point of sorting them out after the race has been run to keep the meeting flowing. Warnings followed by fines for repeater offenders will sort them out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fromafar Posted March 3, 2015 Report Share Posted March 3, 2015 But this will mean a replacement being introduced and then a delay in bringing in a replacement etc etc which is the whole point of sorting them out after the race has been run to keep the meeting flowing. Warnings followed by fines for repeater offenders will sort them out.You don't really think they will ar#e about when it is going to cost them money?they will be lined up in time. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vic Meldrew Posted March 5, 2015 Report Share Posted March 5, 2015 The solution is simple - do away with the starting gate altogether and go back to the 1930's style rolling starts - a pre lap and all riders coming up to the start line together - no time for gardening then !! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scunny1 Posted March 5, 2015 Report Share Posted March 5, 2015 Le Mans style would be a good spectacle. Riders line up opposite bikes, run over to bike, mechanic gives a shove and away they go... maybe 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barrow boy Posted March 23, 2015 Author Report Share Posted March 23, 2015 Pleased to see that Leicester's starting marshalls have adopted the new BSPA recommended starting procedure with the riders being asked to come to the tapes in lane order. Well done gentlemen it is much better than before. Sadly the starting marshall at Coventry does not seem to think likewise or perhaps he hasn't seen or been informed of the new requirement yet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Smith Posted March 23, 2015 Report Share Posted March 23, 2015 Pleased to see that Leicester's starting marshalls have adopted the new BSPA recommended starting procedure with the riders being asked to come to the tapes in lane order. Well done gentlemen it is much better than before. Sadly the starting marshall at Coventry does not seem to think likewise or perhaps he hasn't seen or been informed of the new requirement yet. I don't get this procedure at all. All it means is the guy rolled in first gets extra gardening time over the others. 2mins clock, that's all that's required 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barrow boy Posted March 23, 2015 Author Report Share Posted March 23, 2015 I don't get this procedure at all. All it means is the guy rolled in first gets extra gardening time over the others. Not at all. As soon as the first rider is in place then the others are invited to follow. So the rider on the outside is the one that could get a bit longer but because all riders get a go off each start it doesn't really matter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan_Jones Posted March 23, 2015 Report Share Posted March 23, 2015 Pleased to see that Leicester's starting marshalls have adopted the new BSPA recommended starting procedure with the riders being asked to come to the tapes in lane order. Well done gentlemen it is much better than before. Sadly the starting marshall at Coventry does not seem to think likewise or perhaps he hasn't seen or been informed of the new requirement yet. It's not new, it just hasn't been followed consistently, the same as the 75mm from the tapes rule. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barrow boy Posted March 24, 2015 Author Report Share Posted March 24, 2015 It's not new, it just hasn't been followed consistently, the same as the 75mm from the tapes rule. You are correct in that it is not a new rule but before the start of this season the BSPA reminded all riders and starting marshalls about it. Leicester are trying to do it right and it works better and looks more professional. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bruiser McHuge Posted March 25, 2015 Report Share Posted March 25, 2015 Pleased to see that Leicester's starting marshalls have adopted the new BSPA recommended starting procedure with the riders being asked to come to the tapes in lane order. Well done gentlemen it is much better than before. Sadly the starting marshall at Coventry does not seem to think likewise or perhaps he hasn't seen or been informed of the new requirement yet. What a silly rule...there are plenty of faults in speedway but they bring this in to sort everything out....pointless if you ask me Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tsunami Posted March 25, 2015 Report Share Posted March 25, 2015 What a silly rule...there are plenty of faults in speedway but they bring this in to sort everything out....pointless if you ask me No they didn't, and they haven't. Like life in general, you mend things as you go along, hoping to make things better overall, unless you know better of course. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrlincolncity Posted March 26, 2015 Report Share Posted March 26, 2015 I told my "new to speedway" mate about this start rule, hes only been 4/5 times, and after i said the new start procedure is to cut down on riders digging about, and i said about 2 minute siren and riders waiting to be last to line up, he just said, quite simply. Why dont they have a clock on the centre green like in athletics for all to see? 2 minute count down, if ya not ready to go at zero, your out, then he said, and hes grasping it now, why does speedway make simple rules complicated and blown out of proportion! Told him about the fast track reserves and he said, why not just have the rule simple as every team must have 3 brit riders 2 have to be under 23. Cant argue myself Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The White Knight Posted March 26, 2015 Report Share Posted March 26, 2015 I told my "new to speedway" mate about this start rule, hes only been 4/5 times, and after i said the new start procedure is to cut down on riders digging about, and i said about 2 minute siren and riders waiting to be last to line up, he just said, quite simply. Why dont they have a clock on the centre green like in athletics for all to see? 2 minute count down, if ya not ready to go at zero, your out, then he said, and hes grasping it now, why does speedway make simple rules complicated and blown out of proportion! Told him about the fast track reserves and he said, why not just have the rule simple as every team must have 3 brit riders 2 have to be under 23. Cant argue myself Your friend seems pretty clued up - but - have you told him about Double Points yet? :nono: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrlincolncity Posted March 26, 2015 Report Share Posted March 26, 2015 Yea he likes that tbf! Iv not mentioned the DU rule though 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tsunami Posted March 26, 2015 Report Share Posted March 26, 2015 I told my "new to speedway" mate about this start rule, hes only been 4/5 times, and after i said the new start procedure is to cut down on riders digging about, and i said about 2 minute siren and riders waiting to be last to line up, he just said, quite simply. Why dont they have a clock on the centre green like in athletics for all to see? 2 minute count down, if ya not ready to go at zero, your out, then he said, and hes grasping it now, why does speedway make simple rules complicated and blown out of proportion! Told him about the fast track reserves and he said, why not just have the rule simple as every team must have 3 brit riders 2 have to be under 23. Cant argue myself Your friend seems pretty clued up - but - have you told him about Double Points yet? :nono: Yea he likes that tbf! Iv not mentioned the DU rule though I see the 'imagery friends' syndrome, appears again to push the old arguments. Yawn. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The White Knight Posted March 26, 2015 Report Share Posted March 26, 2015 I see the 'imagery friends' syndrome, appears again to push the old arguments. Yawn. Just having a bit of fun Dave. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IainB Posted March 28, 2015 Report Share Posted March 28, 2015 I've been to a few meetings already this season and I can't say I've noticed any difference in the starting procedure, riders are still taking an eternity to line up at the tapes, especially at Cov last night. Now I know Peter Yorke is not the most reliable of sources but he said that a rider has to be in contact with his machine, pointing in the direction of the tapes. It seems to me that this is an unbreakable rule as I'm struggling to think of any other position a rider could get himself into!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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