The White Knight Posted February 28, 2015 Report Share Posted February 28, 2015 It's not a case of 'shooting from the hip' It's a case of having an opinion. As of the time of this post, you appear to have had 2,722 of them. Just to add, it's just a tad difficult for me to consider someone's comments in the Speedway Star, when I don't get it. Very good point that TVOR. Neither do I very often. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ch958 Posted February 28, 2015 Report Share Posted February 28, 2015 Name calling eh? Wow. The kind of thing generally associated with children in playgrounds - but hey ho. In response to your point above. Actually, I wouldn't. You see I've possibly been actively involved with this sport (in a certain capacity) just a little closer than you have over the years. i think you'll find Tsunami has been and still is very very involved just as close or closer than you Suffice to say that I know only too well that, at many tracks, it doesn't matter if the catering outlets/bars earned fifty grand a week - the Speedway Club wouldn't earn a copper coin out of any of it. And if living in the past meant seeing more racing, then so be it. Giving people more value for money may, just may, attract people back. You see, the alternative is people like you living for the present - and accepting a sub-standard, overpriced product that (given dwindling attendances) potentially doesn't really have any future. i distinctly remember when we had 2nd halves the clamour to get rid of them and extend the 'meaningful' match heats from 13 to 15 i've previously advocated a national competition if they do return where points gained in the second half are accumulated for some kind of prize worth having 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The White Knight Posted February 28, 2015 Report Share Posted February 28, 2015 i distinctly remember when we had 2nd halves the clamour to get rid of them and extend the 'meaningful' match heats from 13 to 15 i've previously advocated a national competition if they do return where points gained in the second half are accumulated for some kind of prize worth having I reckon there are very few people who are as involved in Speedway voluntarily as Tsunami. He and I have our differences on occasion but I can tell you - no-one works harder than him for the good of Speedway and especially for the good of Newcastle 'Diamonds'. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
E I Addio Posted February 28, 2015 Report Share Posted February 28, 2015 It's not a case of 'shooting from the hip' It's a case of having an opinion. As of the time of this post, you appear to have had 2,722 of them. Just to add, it's just a tad difficult for me to consider someone's comments in the Speedway Star, when I don't get it. Having an opinion is one thing, having an informed opinion is something quite different. One of the points that Colin Pratt made , very cogently , was that nobody wasted more time messing about on the starting gate than Ivan Mauger, and Colin raced against him enough so he should know. So there is more to it than simply turning the clock back and bringing back second halves. There were a number of other good points made by Colin Pratt who is probably more experienced in the sport and more widely respected than most, not that he knows everything there is to know, but if you think opinions like that are not worth considering and taking on board, so be it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f-s-p Posted February 28, 2015 Report Share Posted February 28, 2015 I thought the Colin Pratt piece in the latest Spar made him look a bit daft. He completely missed the point that refs should be more strict with the time limit. Its not about the gardening, its about the fact that you only have 2 mins to do it and be ready! From the start of season if the refs would do as the rules state, the few problem riders would have been excluded enough times and lost enough money that the actual problem would have been solved. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
E I Addio Posted February 28, 2015 Report Share Posted February 28, 2015 I thought the Colin Pratt piece in the latest Spar made him look a bit daft. He completely missed the point that refs should be more strict with the time limit. Its not about the gardening, its about the fact that you only have 2 mins to do it and be ready! From the start of season if the refs would do as the rules state, the few problem riders would have been excluded enough times and lost enough money that the actual problem would have been solved. Read it again. He said exactly that.ie "Colin also believes that referees being stricter with the two minutes will also prevent riders playing psycological games at the starting gate". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f-s-p Posted February 28, 2015 Report Share Posted February 28, 2015 Read it again. He said exactly that.ie "Colin also believes that referees being stricter with the two minutes will also prevent riders playing psycological games at the starting gate".Wasnt that about his days with Mauger? A good story, nice that he was allowed to tell it. It's two minutes, has been for years. Let them play mindgames, just be ready like PUK says at the end of 2 mins. 15 times 5 minutes (2 minute allowance + the actual heat + get out time) is 75 minutes. That leaves 45 minutes for track work and sausage sales to complete 2 hrs. The same time it takes for ice hockey and football for a full game. For years I've seen people leave from meetings after 2 hrs us up. Thats the time most people nowadays have for their entertainment, be it for a days or weeks worth. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
E I Addio Posted February 28, 2015 Report Share Posted February 28, 2015 Wasnt that about his days with Mauger? A good story, nice that he was allowed to tell it. It's two minutes, has been for years. Let them play mindgames, just be ready like PUK says at the end of 2 mins. 15 times 5 minutes (2 minute allowance + the actual heat + get out time) is 75 minutes. That leaves 45 minutes for track work and sausage sales to complete 2 hrs. The same time it takes for ice hockey and football for a full game. For years I've seen people leave from meetings after 2 hrs us up. Thats the time most people nowadays have for their entertainment, be it for a days or weeks worth. That's a different point. The fact is that in the SS article Colin Pratt was calling for stricter enforcement of the two minutes by referees. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Voice Of Reason Posted March 1, 2015 Report Share Posted March 1, 2015 (edited) Are you running the Colin Pratt Fan Club for 2015 then 'mouth on a stick'? One two-bob article in the SS from a Pratt really seems to have taken over your entire life this week. Sad. Edited March 1, 2015 by The Voice Of Reason Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The White Knight Posted March 1, 2015 Report Share Posted March 1, 2015 Are you running the Colin Pratt Fan Club for 2015 then 'mouth on a stick'? One two-bob article in the SS from a Pratt really seems to have taken over your entire life this week. Sad. That s not a very 'reasonable' Post The Voice of Reason. :nono: 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ch958 Posted March 1, 2015 Report Share Posted March 1, 2015 Are you running the Colin Pratt Fan Club for 2015 then 'mouth on a stick'? One two-bob article in the SS from a Pratt really seems to have taken over your entire life this week. Sad. are you having hormone problems? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vic Meldrew Posted March 1, 2015 Report Share Posted March 1, 2015 Are you running the Colin Pratt Fan Club for 2015 then 'mouth on a stick'? One two-bob article in the SS from a Pratt really seems to have taken over your entire life this week. Sad. Seems like you are the Pratt - alleged voice of reason. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shale Searcher Posted March 2, 2015 Report Share Posted March 2, 2015 Can you all remember the Coventry v ? Swindon (I think) meeting a couple of seasons ago.... when there were loads of exclusions in the first 4/5 heats? The commentators and a lot of the crowd seemingly went mad that the fans and viewers had been deprived of seeing top class riders due to these exclusions..... I agree, something needs doing, and strictly enforcing the 2 minute allowance I think is the fairest and easiest way forward. Everyone then knows including riders/mechanics, start marshals, managers and fans...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted March 2, 2015 Report Share Posted March 2, 2015 Can you all remember the Coventry v ? Swindon (I think) meeting a couple of seasons ago.... when there were loads of exclusions in the first 4/5 heats? The commentators and a lot of the crowd seemingly went mad that the fans and viewers had been deprived of seeing top class riders due to these exclusions..... I agree, something needs doing, and strictly enforcing the 2 minute allowance I think is the fairest and easiest way forward. Everyone then knows including riders/mechanics, start marshals, managers and fans...... It was actually last season It only has to happen a few times before people/riders realise. Though I do think the referee went too far that night - but then where do you draw the line, we all have differing opinions on this one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vince Posted March 2, 2015 Report Share Posted March 2, 2015 Are you running the Colin Pratt Fan Club for 2015 then 'mouth on a stick'? One two-bob article in the SS from a Pratt really seems to have taken over your entire life this week. Sad. Think we've found the winner of the most inappropriate name choice award! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barrow boy Posted March 2, 2015 Author Report Share Posted March 2, 2015 It was actually last season It only has to happen a few times before people/riders realise. Though I do think the referee went too far that night - but then where do you draw the line, we all have differing opinions on this one. Like I've said it's for the referee's to sort out by warning and or fining riders after the race has finished for delaying the start. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
E I Addio Posted March 2, 2015 Report Share Posted March 2, 2015 Like I've said it's for the referee's to sort out by warning and or fining riders after the race has finished for delaying the start. It was actually last season It only has to happen a few times before people/riders realise. Though I do think the referee went too far that night - but then where do you draw the line, we all have differing opinions on this one. That's where a bit of flexibility and common sense is require. For example imagine the start of heat 15 with the scores level and the home No 1 is on his way to the start but is still 3 metres short when the two minutes are up. Are the paying public to be deprived of the excitement of a crucial race for such a minor infringement? I think there is a case for saying that if the meeting has been ticking over fairly smoothly the ref should be lenient about the odd minor delay but if the riders are clearly messing around there should be a warning given to the pits and relayed to the public that no unnecessary delays will be tolerated, but I suppose when we analyse it there is no easy answer. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The White Knight Posted March 2, 2015 Report Share Posted March 2, 2015 That's where a bit of flexibility and common sense is require. For example imagine the start of heat 15 with the scores level and the home No 1 is on his way to the start but is still 3 metres short when the two minutes are up. Are the paying public to be deprived of the excitement of a crucial race for such a minor infringement? I think there is a case for saying that if the meeting has been ticking over fairly smoothly the ref should be lenient about the odd minor delay but if the riders are clearly messing around there should be a warning given to the pits and relayed to the public that no unnecessary delays will be tolerated, but I suppose when we analyse it there is no easy answer. I would say that said Number One should be excluded - he knows the Rule. At a time when we are all calling for consistency in Refereeing - he might have excluded the Away Number One earlier in the Meeting for the same offence exactly. Surely leaving the - in this case Home Number One in the Race - the Away Team Manager would be screaming that the Referee taking this action was unfair - and HE WOULD BE DEAD RIGHT!!! You simply can't do that. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HenryW Posted March 2, 2015 Report Share Posted March 2, 2015 (edited) I would say that said Number One should be excluded - he knows the Rule. At a time when we are all calling for consistency in Refereeing - he might have excluded the Away Number One earlier in the Meeting for the same offence exactly. Surely leaving the - in this case Home Number One in the Race - the Away Team Manager would be screaming that the Referee taking this action was unfair - and HE WOULD BE DEAD RIGHT!!! You simply can't do that. Agree 100%. It's not complicated. They have 2 minutes. If they aren't ready to race after the 2 minutes expire they are out. When the clock was first introduced to the SGP series there were a few exclusions and a bit of fuss. Now every rider knows exactly where he stands and they are always settled at the tapes when that clock hits zero. Edited March 2, 2015 by HenryW 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barrow boy Posted March 3, 2015 Author Report Share Posted March 3, 2015 Agree 100%. It's not complicated. They have 2 minutes. If they aren't ready to race after the 2 minutes expire they are out. When the clock was first introduced to the SGP series there were a few exclusions and a bit of fuss. Now every rider knows exactly where he stands and they are always settled at the tapes when that clock hits zero. Very true but like I've said the race should not be delayed each time there is an infringement. Let the race be run and then take the offending riders to task after the race with warnings and or fines. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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