ZODIAK Posted February 10, 2015 Report Share Posted February 10, 2015 (edited) Re Lewis Blackbird. Individuals cannot own riders assets and have not been able to for years. Chris Louis cannot own him. Lewis signed as a Mildenhall asset and as far as I know has never been sold. He certainly does not belong to Chris. Then who received the loan fee from Peterborough? Should have been Mildenhall, shouldn't it? Edited February 10, 2015 by Hong Kong Phooey Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aries Posted February 10, 2015 Report Share Posted February 10, 2015 Re Lewis Blackbird. Individuals cannot own riders assets and have not been able to for years. Chris Louis cannot own him. Lewis signed as a Mildenhall asset and as far as I know has never been sold. He certainly does not belong to Chris. None of this "asset" stuff would cut any ice in a court of law and some of the dealings between riders and clubs seems dodgy to say the least. Â An ex brother-in-law was an Ipswich rider for years and some of the things he told me regarding "assets" beggared belief. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mdmc82 Posted February 10, 2015 Author Report Share Posted February 10, 2015 So the big question is still, if he is a NL asset then who gets priority lol. 😄 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
proud panther Posted February 10, 2015 Report Share Posted February 10, 2015 Don't forget your £20 to the Ricky fund Catch 22. Bloomy, I am more interested in who gets preference for Lewis when Wolves & Panthers fixtures clash, but when I think I am right, I am within my rights to discuss it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tsunami Posted February 10, 2015 Report Share Posted February 10, 2015 None of this "asset" stuff would cut any ice in a court of law and some of the dealings between riders and clubs seems dodgy to say the least. Â An ex brother-in-law was an Ipswich rider for years and some of the things he told me regarding "assets" beggared belief. This is not the first time you have said this, so why not spill the beans if it beggars belief. Like I know something you don't know. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aries Posted February 10, 2015 Report Share Posted February 10, 2015 This is not the first time you have said this, so why not spill the beans if it beggars belief. Like I know something you don't know. Really? Then you have a far better memory than I have as I don't recall saying that before but hey ho. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tsunami Posted February 10, 2015 Report Share Posted February 10, 2015 Really? Then you have a far better memory than I have as I don't recall saying that before but hey ho. Sorry if it wasn't you. It was between you and Bruiser McHugh Once again my apols. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Humphrey Appleby Posted February 11, 2015 Report Share Posted February 11, 2015 The EL should always get priority unless the rider is owned by his PL team. What other sport would give their second tier priority? Then again what other sport lets participants play for more than one team in professional competiton? Â Football for one - at least players who're selected for international duty. If there's a clash, then the international team gets priority. Â There's always going to be these issues with double-uppers, and it hardly seems unreasonable that the parent team should get priority. Equally though, it could be well argued that riders should be encouraged to ride at a higher level, so BEL teams should always have priority. Â These sorts of arguments are symptomatic of why speedway just doesn't progress. Both leagues need to cooperate with each other to survive, and the BPL also needs to accept that as the second tier, it should be providing a supporting role to the top tier. That means encouraging riders to ride at a higher level. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted February 11, 2015 Report Share Posted February 11, 2015 But why shouldn't it be that the first club the rider signs for gets priority? Also what happens if a rider signs for another team once the season has started? eg Olli Allen, believe he is owned by Swindon but what would happen if he were to sign for an EL club in April. Would he then have to forego his Peterborough fixtures for his new EL club? Â As for race night, would be better id EL and PL were on different nights. its the fridays that are the problem..... You would hope that once the season starts that all riders fixtures are pencilled in so any team changes after that come on a first come, first served basis. If it's not then it would decent into a farce. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben91 Posted February 11, 2015 Report Share Posted February 11, 2015 (edited) Â Football for one - at least players who're selected for international duty. If there's a clash, then the international team gets priority. Â There's always going to be these issues with double-uppers, and it hardly seems unreasonable that the parent team should get priority. Equally though, it could be well argued that riders should be encouraged to ride at a higher level, so BEL teams should always have priority. Â These sorts of arguments are symptomatic of why speedway just doesn't progress. Both leagues need to cooperate with each other to survive, and the BPL also needs to accept that as the second tier, it should be providing a supporting role to the top tier. That means encouraging riders to ride at a higher level. No, no. International football is not the same as a speedway rider racing for two different teams in one country. Â Agree with the rest of your post though Edited February 11, 2015 by RocketBen1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
northyorksbear Posted February 11, 2015 Report Share Posted February 11, 2015 Â Football for one - at least players who're selected for international duty. If there's a clash, then the international team gets priority. Â There's always going to be these issues with double-uppers, and it hardly seems unreasonable that the parent team should get priority. Equally though, it could be well argued that riders should be encouraged to ride at a higher level, so BEL teams should always have priority. Â These sorts of arguments are symptomatic of why speedway just doesn't progress. Both leagues need to cooperate with each other to survive, and the BPL also needs to accept that as the second tier, it should be providing a supporting role to the top tier. That means encouraging riders to ride at a higher level. Â Whilst I agree totally with the sentiment of getting riders to progress, the flaw in that argument is the riders who are doubling up who are not going to be the future of British speedway - for example Stuart Robson, who before commenting further let me state I have no objection to him doubling in both leagues and good luck to him just picked on him for ageist reasons. His motivation - I would suggest - is powered by the desire to have more meetings and therefore opportunity to earn more money, I would have difficulty in accepting an argument that riding in high league is going to make him a better rider and improve him for the future! Â There is an argument for suggesting that riders like Robson/King/Kennett/Allen/Stead are in fact doubling DOWN as they have spent full seasons wholly riding EL and reverted to PL as their main league (Robert Lambert would also be in this category and he does actually go against my point!). Maybe criteria is for riders like these PL takes priority and those on the way up in their careers have EL as priority?? Â Another radical and commonsense suggestion is why not alternate with priority on clashes so first time rider goes in EL next PL etc - OR give priority to club with home meeting as they should not have both got home meetings on same night - if so revert to alternate idea as with clashes on both away meetings 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveLyric2 Posted February 13, 2015 Report Share Posted February 13, 2015 Â Football for one - at least players who're selected for international duty. If there's a clash, then the international team gets priority. Â Â Â I don't believe Sam Allardyce shares your opinion!!? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadders Posted February 14, 2015 Report Share Posted February 14, 2015 Edward Kennett in a swop deal with Jason Garrity going to Coventry. No question over who has priority over Kennett now. Can't imagine Lakeside will be pleased 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2ndbendbeerhut Posted February 14, 2015 Report Share Posted February 14, 2015 Edward Kennett in a swop deal with Jason Garrity going to Coventry. No question over who has priority over Kennett now. Can't imagine Lakeside will be pleased Oh well never mind..... thats karma for you..... 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ch958 Posted February 14, 2015 Report Share Posted February 14, 2015 There should be no doubling down just doubling up If riders want to ride pl they should sign for a pl club and double up if they want extra rides EL clubs could have a roster of say 4 double uppers from pl This would ensure full El teams and no pl absences Trouble is I don't know how we'd get to that position from where we are Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cheekycobra Posted February 14, 2015 Report Share Posted February 14, 2015 Is the answer that Elite league teams could name say 8 or 9 riders. 5 regulars including heat leaders and reserves then 3 or 4 "double uppers/downers" where they choose the 2 that are available for each meeting. Theres a pool of riders like Summers Kus Vissing Masters Wolbert etc in the prem league that could be added to each Elite team. Â Is that a daft idea, or to simple to be true. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mdmc82 Posted February 15, 2015 Author Report Share Posted February 15, 2015 Looking at Teams now the rules are a bit clearer (with exception of Blackbird) below is a list of who gets priority for the riders doubling up and how many clashes there will be where the rider is missing.  BERWICK No D/U riders  EDINBURGH Craig Cook (Edinburgh) 0  GLASGOW Richard Lawson (Glasgow) 0 Nick Morris (Swindon) 1 James Sarjeant (Coventry) 5  IPSWICH Danny King (Coventry) 3 Stefan Nielsen (Belle Vue) 3  NEWCASTLE Steve Worrall (Belle Vue) 3 Lewis Kerr (King's Lynn) 1 Lewis Rose (Swindon) 6  PETERBOURGH Robert Lambert (King's Lynn) 2 Simon Lambert (Leicester) 6 Lewis Blackbird? 5?  PLYMOUTH Kyle Newman (Poole)  REDCAR Stuart Robson (Coventry) 3  RYE HOUSE Edward Kennett (Rye house) 0  SCUNTHORPE Josh Auty (Scunthorpe) 0  SHEFFIELD Ashley Birks (Sheffield) 0 Josh Bates (Sheffield) 0 Simon Stead (Sheffield) 0  SOMERSET Paul Starke (Somerset) 0 Charles Wright (Somerset) 0  WORKINGTON Kyle Howarth (Workington) 0 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HenryW Posted February 15, 2015 Report Share Posted February 15, 2015 (edited) There should be no doubling down just doubling up If riders want to ride pl they should sign for a pl club and double up if they want extra rides EL clubs could have a roster of say 4 double uppers from pl This would ensure full El teams and no pl absences Trouble is I don't know how we'd get to that position from where we are Isn't that pretty much where things started? EL teams had the option of using one or two positions in their team for "double up" riders...They "signed" 2 riders who were PL riders to cover a position and used the one that was available. In most cases there was one rider who was far better than the other so the EL team used them every meeting that they could and rarely used the other....so then they decided that they didn't need the two riders and they would just use a guest when the PL rider wasn't available...and then we drifted into the current situation.  So really you are asking how we get back to where we started from... Edited February 15, 2015 by HenryW Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dontforgetthefueltapsbruv Posted February 15, 2015 Report Share Posted February 15, 2015 Looking at Teams now the rules are a bit clearer (with exception of Blackbird) below is a list of who gets priority for the riders doubling up and how many clashes there will be where the rider is missing.  BERWICK No D/U riders  EDINBURGH Craig Cook (Edinburgh) 0  GLASGOW Richard Lawson (Glasgow) 0 Nick Morris (Swindon) 1 James Sarjeant (Coventry) 5  IPSWICH Danny King (Coventry) 3 Stefan Nielsen (Belle Vue) 3  NEWCASTLE Steve Worrall (Belle Vue) 3 Lewis Kerr (King's Lynn) 1 Lewis Rose (Swindon) 6  PETERBOURGH Robert Lambert (King's Lynn) 2 Simon Lambert (Leicester) 6 Lewis Blackbird? 5?  PLYMOUTH Kyle Newman (Poole)  REDCAR Stuart Robson (Coventry) 3  RYE HOUSE Edward Kennett (Rye house) 0  SCUNTHORPE Josh Auty (Scunthorpe) 0  SHEFFIELD Ashley Birks (Sheffield) 0 Josh Bates (Sheffield) 0 Simon Stead (Sheffield) 0  SOMERSET Paul Starke (Somerset) 0 Charles Wright (Somerset) 0  WORKINGTON Kyle Howarth (Workington) 0 Blackbird is a PL asset so PBoro will get priority. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bagpuss Posted February 15, 2015 Report Share Posted February 15, 2015 EL squads would solve the problem and really ought to have been introduced by now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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