ruffdiamond Posted February 6, 2015 Report Share Posted February 6, 2015 Only if you want it to be. A no, is' nt it ??? but it would be good to find out where it all went wrong, or right, lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PHILIPRISING Posted February 6, 2015 Report Share Posted February 6, 2015 Football doesn't have a retain-and-transfer system anymore. Irrelevant. Riders should be free to ride for whom they please when out-of-contract (subject to the points limit or any other rider control mechanisms). As I said, I think some sort of compensatory system is in order for tracks genuinely developing riders from scratch, but that entitlement should cease after a certain period has elapsed (e.g. when a rider is 21 or in the third year of their career). It should certainly not apply indefinitely. Contrary to popular belief, rider assets have no book value, and relatively little in terms of negotiable value nowadays. There's no guarantee that a rider on the books will ever ride for you, or another British team again (which would derive a transfer or loan fe), and there's the ever-present danger that the asset system will be declared illegal. IN full agreement with you Humphrey! And please don't ask for an editorial ... wrote many on the subject when I was in the Editor's chair but fell on deaf ears then as it would now. The late John Perrin came close to challenging the system when he signed Jason Crump but didn't want to be the one to open the flood gates. But I am surprised that no rider hasn't actually challenged the notion that he is 'owned' by a track despite not having a valid contract and, in many cases, not for many years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weatherwatcher Posted February 6, 2015 Report Share Posted February 6, 2015 It is just ridiculas that a club can have so many riders as assets, if a club wanted to really call the shots could they actually stop a rider going to another club, I doubt it very much, Half of the names on the list have not been in a regular team place for the club they are an asset to, it is just stuppid to say that they are an asset to the club until they decide they don't want them any longer then try to make a fast buck out of them as with Jason Doyle with Leicester and Swindon. Swindon haven't wanted his services for years now all of a sudden they want a large amount of money from the Lions Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WembleyLion Posted February 6, 2015 Report Share Posted February 6, 2015 No teams own any riders although some seem to think they do when it suits them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Panda Posted February 6, 2015 Report Share Posted February 6, 2015 Poole also have Josh Grajczonek on their books................. RP Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T.N.T. Posted February 7, 2015 Report Share Posted February 7, 2015 There are quite a lot of changes to these line ups, but here are some of them ... Found a list of assets that was compiled a while ago so thought i'd ask who "belongs" where? (i'll add the PL later) Belle Vue Billy Forsberg Jason Garrity - RYE HOUSE (soon to be ...... ) Charlie Gjedde Patrick Hougaard Lukasz Jankowski Tomasz Jedrzejak Kaj Laukkanen Michal Rajkowski Richie Worrall Steve Worrall Coventry Oliver Allen = Sold to .. ? Josh Auty Scunthorpe Ben Barker Chris Harris Ryan Fisher Jordan Frampton Greg Hancock Kyle Hughes Billy Janniro Andreas Jonsson Edward Kennett Scott Nicholls Przemyslaw Pawlicki Adam Roynon James Sargeant Rory Schlein Kings Lynn Filip Sitera - ? Martin Smolinski Ricky Wells Wolverhampton Kings Lynn Adam Allott James Brundle Scott Campos Shane Colvin Linus Eklof Henka Gustafsson Trevor Harding Christian Henry ? Jan Jaros Lewis Kerr Jake Knight Simon Lambert Henning Loof Adam Lowe Grant MacDonald Norbert Magosi Jari Makinen Darren Mallett Marek Mroz Rhys Naylor Tomasz Piszcz Chris Schramm Kozza Smith Thomas Stange Shaun Tacey Tomas Topinka Sebastian Truminski Shane Waldron Chris Widman Casper Wortmann Couldn't really comment on most of these apart from saying its about £3,000 in total Rory Schlein Robert Lambert Niklas Porsing Lakeside Henning Bager Daniel Davidsson Jonas Davidsson Jerran Hart Shane Hazeldon Paul Hurry Peter Ljung Robert Mear Andreas Messing Kauko Nieminen Marc Owen Stuart Robson Newcastle Adam Shields Lubos Tomicek Mikkel Bech Adam Ellis Leicester Ilya Bondarenko Jamie Courtney Jan Graversen John Oliver Symon Wozniak Poole Andrew Aldridge Dennis Andersson Aaron Baseby Mark Baseby Craig Boyce Jason Bunyan Jason Crump Jason Doyle Freddie Eriksson Daniel Halsey Gary Havelock Jay Herne Chris Holder James Holder Kyle Howarth Krzysztof Kasprzak Ricky Kling Antonio Lindback Leon Madsen Artur Mroczka Bjarne Pedersen Piotr Protasiewicz John Resch David Ruud Tomas Suchanek Piotr Swist Greg Walasek Darcy Ward Craig Watson Davey Watt Magnus Zetterstrom Vaclav Millik Josh Gracjzonek ? Dakota North Swindon Leigh Adams Sebastain Alden Tomasz Chrzanowski Renat Gafurov Cory Gathercole Manuel Hauzinger Kenny Ingalls Maciej Janowski - Poole Thomas H Jonasson - Poole Mads Korneliussen Travis McGowan Adrian Miedzinski Jurica Pavlic Darryl Ritchings Justin Sedgeman Ryan Sedgeman Simon Stead Sheffield Richard Sweetman Grzegorz Zengota Wolverhampton James Grieves Joe Haines Kenneth Hansen Christian Hefenbrock David Howe Peter Karlsson Chris Kerr Nicolai Klindt Freddie Lindgren Ashley Morris Nicki Pedersen Ty Proctor Adam Skornicki Hynek Stichauer Sebastian Ulamek Tai Woffinden Piotr Pawlicki Mikael Max Tyson Burmeister Tobiasz Musielak Krzysztof Jablonski Krzysztof Pecyna Sam Ermolenko =Ronnie Correy Think there is much more updated lists elsewhere to look at Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Panda Posted February 7, 2015 Report Share Posted February 7, 2015 Josh became a full asset at Poole towards the end of the 2013 season.............you have also missed out Kyle Newman................ RP Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted February 7, 2015 Report Share Posted February 7, 2015 Stuart Robson is still Lakesides. And Olly Allen is still Coventrys. Other wise I think most of TNTs changes are correct Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HenryW Posted February 8, 2015 Report Share Posted February 8, 2015 Think there is much more updated lists elsewhere to look atYou have to wonder why the full list isn't on the BSPA site... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mdmc82 Posted February 8, 2015 Report Share Posted February 8, 2015 Isn't Kyle Howarth a Workington asset now? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lewy Posted February 8, 2015 Report Share Posted February 8, 2015 Bech is plymouth asset Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Humphrey Appleby Posted February 8, 2015 Report Share Posted February 8, 2015 You have to wonder why the full list isn't on the BSPA site... Indeed - what's the big secret? The answer of course is the lists would be laughable and hasten the end of the nonsensical system. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tsunami Posted February 8, 2015 Report Share Posted February 8, 2015 Indeed - what's the big secret? The answer of course is the lists would be laughable and hasten the end of the nonsensical system. Of course it wouldn't. The list is trimmed regularly to accommodate retired riders. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Panda Posted February 8, 2015 Report Share Posted February 8, 2015 Isn't Kyle Howarth a Workington asset now? Yes............. RP Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Humphrey Appleby Posted February 8, 2015 Report Share Posted February 8, 2015 The list is trimmed regularly to accommodate retired riders. Then what's the big secret? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Great Central Posted February 8, 2015 Report Share Posted February 8, 2015 Then what's the big secret? And clearly not trimmed regularly enough. Leigh Adams, Gary Havelock, John Oliver to name three non riders. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tsunami Posted February 8, 2015 Report Share Posted February 8, 2015 (edited) And clearly not trimmed regularly enough. Leigh Adams, Gary Havelock, John Oliver to name three non riders. It was said that it was compiled a while ago(OP), but not who the source was. Edited February 8, 2015 by Tsunami Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TonyE Posted February 9, 2015 Report Share Posted February 9, 2015 (edited) Kim Nilsson is a Lakeside asset (and, given some of the riders on the original list, you could probably add Josh Larsen as well).. Edited February 9, 2015 by TonyE Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrcts Posted February 9, 2015 Report Share Posted February 9, 2015 How and why and when did the asset system start?......when I started going to Leicester Speedway from the mid seventies til we closed after the 83 season there was no such system it was like footy ie full transfers and the odd double uppers like Bob Garrad from rye house etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Humphrey Appleby Posted February 9, 2015 Report Share Posted February 9, 2015 How and why and when did the asset system start?......when I started going to Leicester Speedway from the mid seventies til we closed after the 83 season there was no such system it was like footy ie full transfers and the odd double uppers like Bob Garrad from rye house etc. Wasn't it when the points limit came in, sometime in the late-70s? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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