2ndbendbeerhut Posted February 5, 2015 Report Share Posted February 5, 2015 Found a list of assets that was compiled a while ago so thought i'd ask who "belongs" where? (i'll add the PL later) Belle Vue Billy Forsberg Jason Garrity Charlie Gjedde Patrick Hougaard Lukasz Jankowski Tomasz Jedrzejak Kaj Laukkanen Michal Rajkowski Richie Worrall Coventry Oliver Allen Josh Auty Ben Barker Chris Harris Ryan Fisher Jordan Frampton Greg Hancock Kyle Hughes Billy Janniro Andreas Jonsson Edward Kennett Scott Nicholls Przemyslaw Pawlicki Adam Roynon James Sargeant Rory Schlein Filip Sitera Martin Smolinski Ricky Wells Kings Lynn Adam Allott James Brundle Scott Campos Shane Colvin Linus Eklof Henka Gustafsson Trevor Harding Christian Henry Jan Jaros Lewis Kerr Jake Knight Simon Lambert Henning Loof Adam Lowe Grant MacDonald Norbert Magosi Jari Makinen Darren Mallett Marek Mroz Rhys Naylor Tomasz Piszcz Chris Schramm Kozza Smith Thomas Stange Shaun Tacey Tomas Topinka Sebastian Truminski Shane Waldron Chris Widman Casper Wortmann Lakeside Henning Bager Daniel Davidsson Jonas Davidsson Jerran Hart Shane Hazeldon Paul Hurry Peter Ljung Robert Mear Andreas Messing Kauko Nieminen Marc Owen Stuart Robson Adam Shields Lubos Tomicek Leicester Ilya Bondarenko Jamie Courtney Jan Graversen John Oliver Poole Andrew Aldridge Dennis Andersson Aaron Baseby Mark Baseby Craig Boyce Jason Bunyan Jason Crump Jason Doyle Freddie Eriksson Daniel Halsey Gary Havelock Jay Herne Chris Holder James Holder Kyle Howarth Krzysztof Kasprzak Ricky Kling Antonio Lindback Leon Madsen Artur Mroczka Bjarne Pedersen Piotr Protasiewicz John Resch David Ruud Tomas Suchanek Piotr Swist Greg Walasek Darcy Ward Craig Watson Davey Watt Magnus Zetterstrom Swindon Leigh Adams Sebastain Alden Tomasz Chrzanowski Renat Gafurov Cory Gathercole Manuel Hauzinger Kenny Ingalls Maciej Janowski Thomas H Jonasson Mads Korneliussen Travis McGowan Adrian Miedzinski Jurica Pavlic Darryl Ritchings Justin Sedgeman Ryan Sedgeman Simon Stead Richard Sweetman Grzegorz Zengota Wolverhampton James Grieves Joe Haines Kenneth Hansen Christian Hefenbrock David Howe Peter Karlsson Chris Kerr Nicolai Klindt Freddie Lindgren Ashley Morris Nicki Pedersen Ty Proctor Adam Skornicki Hynek Stichauer Sebastian Ulamek Tai Woffinden Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mdmc82 Posted February 5, 2015 Report Share Posted February 5, 2015 Didn't Kings Lynn buy Rory? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted February 5, 2015 Report Share Posted February 5, 2015 (edited) Truminski and Rajowski were Newport. Shane Colvin was Readings. I doubt any of them matter any more. Wolves bought Wells. Scunny bought David Howe. Newport bought Craig Watson. Workington bought Howarth Matek Mroz also newport a. Edited February 5, 2015 by SCB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arson fire Posted February 5, 2015 Report Share Posted February 5, 2015 I own sidney 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stratton Posted February 5, 2015 Report Share Posted February 5, 2015 I own sidney Right in your dreams boy! 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arson fire Posted February 5, 2015 Report Share Posted February 5, 2015 Right in your dreams boy!welcome back rambo 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stratton Posted February 5, 2015 Report Share Posted February 5, 2015 welcome back rambo You are a scream,i give credit you are really quite knowledgeable to be honest on every subject you comment on.Very good apart from your boxing knowledge but i forgive you for that.!!!! 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Johnson Posted February 6, 2015 Report Share Posted February 6, 2015 Scunny bought Josh Auty too Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waiheke1 Posted February 6, 2015 Report Share Posted February 6, 2015 welcome back rambo sid pwns you! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reliant Robin Posted February 6, 2015 Report Share Posted February 6, 2015 Doyle is on Swindon's for the time being. Jonasson is not Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyK86 Posted February 6, 2015 Report Share Posted February 6, 2015 Simon Stead is now a Sheffield asset and more than likely Adam Allott is a Sheffield asset also and think always has been. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ruffdiamond Posted February 6, 2015 Report Share Posted February 6, 2015 with all the controversy over 'who should and who should'nt' be here or have been here, make some of these ownership's illegal ??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Humphrey Appleby Posted February 6, 2015 Report Share Posted February 6, 2015 (edited) with all the controversy over 'who should and who should'nt' be here or have been here, make some of these ownership's illegal ??? Has nothing to do with contracts or work permits. Aren't riders from decades ago still on some asset lists, which demonstrates what an utter nonsense the whole thing is? Edited February 6, 2015 by Humphrey Appleby Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyK86 Posted February 6, 2015 Report Share Posted February 6, 2015 Has nothing to do with contracts or work permits. Aren't riders from decades ago still on some asset lists, which demonstrates what an utter nonsense the whole thing is? not really nonsense though is it because if you own contract or have brought the rider through your ranks etc then you can command a loan fee or a transfer fee. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted February 6, 2015 Report Share Posted February 6, 2015 Has nothing to do with contracts or work permits. Aren't riders from decades ago still on some asset lists, which demonstrates what an utter nonsense the whole thing is? It has had a LOT to do with work permits. It's one of the scams they have been running. Take a work permit rider on loan and rather than pay for a sponsor license yourself as his employer just employ him on his parent clubs license, despite the fact they don't employ him! Marvellous idea but it seems to have upset the UKV&I Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Humphrey Appleby Posted February 6, 2015 Report Share Posted February 6, 2015 (edited) not really nonsense though is it because if you own contract or have brought the rider through your ranks etc then you can command a loan fee or a transfer fee. Of course it's nonsense. Where else in the real world can your employer command a transfer or loan fee when you decide to move jobs? I can accept that a track genuinely developing a rider should derive some compensation when they move on, but many assets are oven-ready foreign riders that a team doesn't really invest much effort in. Teams don't 'own contracts' anyway - riders are only contracted to the team they actually ride for. Riders get paid nothing merely for the 'privilege' of being on a promotion's asset list. The sooner the system is blown out of the water, the better. It has had a LOT to do with work permits. It's one of the scams they have been running. Take a work permit rider on loan and rather than pay for a sponsor license yourself as his employer just employ him on his parent clubs license, despite the fact they don't employ him! Marvellous idea but it seems to have upset the UKV&I Nothing to do with asset lists though, unless an asset is claimed as the result of a rider illegally riding for their initial British team. A rider on loan is contracted to the team he's currently riding for, not his parent team - which is in contravention of the work permit criteria unless a new work permit is applied for. I suppose there's nothing to stop a work permit rider being under actual contract to one team, but loaned to another who compensates the parent team for the cost of the wages. However, I'd guess few promotions are willing to do that as they'd end-up being responsible for any default in the wages. It strike me though, that many of the problems could be avoided if work permit riders were centrally contracted to the BSPA, and then loaned to member clubs as needed. Edited February 6, 2015 by Humphrey Appleby 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyK86 Posted February 6, 2015 Report Share Posted February 6, 2015 Of course it's nonsense. Where else in the real world can your employer command a transfer or loan fee when you decide to move jobs? I can accept that a track genuinely developing a rider should derive some compensation when they move on, but many assets are oven-ready foreign riders that a team doesn't really invest much effort in. Teams don't 'own contracts' anyway - riders are only contracted to the team they actually ride for. Riders get paid nothing merely for the 'privilege' of being on a promotion's asset list. The sooner the system is blown out of the water, the better. Sport is not in the real world though when it comes to contracts just like Football. The Asset system is flawed I agree, because riders are near enough self employed and free agents at end of every season but at least Asset system gives clubs first choice at least and if rider chooses not too then at least said club can get some money for loaning them to somebody or sell them on. When a club is put up for sale the asset list is part of it so if I was to invest in a club I would more than likely go for club with a good asset base rather than a club without one or with poor value riders. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Humphrey Appleby Posted February 6, 2015 Report Share Posted February 6, 2015 Sport is not in the real world though when it comes to contracts just like Football. Football doesn't have a retain-and-transfer system anymore. The Asset system is flawed I agree, because riders are near enough self employed and free agents at end of every season but at least Asset system gives clubs first choice at least and if rider chooses not too then at least said club can get some money for loaning them to somebody or sell them on. Irrelevant. Riders should be free to ride for whom they please when out-of-contract (subject to the points limit or any other rider control mechanisms). As I said, I think some sort of compensatory system is in order for tracks genuinely developing riders from scratch, but that entitlement should cease after a certain period has elapsed (e.g. when a rider is 21 or in the third year of their career). It should certainly not apply indefinitely. When a club is put up for sale the asset list is part of it so if I was to invest in a club I would more than likely go for club with a good asset base rather than a club without one or with poor value riders. Contrary to popular belief, rider assets have no book value, and relatively little in terms of negotiable value nowadays. There's no guarantee that a rider on the books will ever ride for you, or another British team again (which would derive a transfer or loan fe), and there's the ever-present danger that the asset system will be declared illegal. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ruffdiamond Posted February 6, 2015 Report Share Posted February 6, 2015 So, I see,,, proper old can of worm's speedway is, hmmm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tsunami Posted February 6, 2015 Report Share Posted February 6, 2015 So, I see,,, proper old can of worm's speedway is, hmmm Only if you want it to be. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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