Guest Posted February 1, 2015 Report Share Posted February 1, 2015 Originally posted by customhouseregular Best East European...think Plechanov and Samorodov. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
customhouseregular Posted February 1, 2015 Report Share Posted February 1, 2015 Would any non-Polish or Soviet/Russian riders make the list?. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
norbold Posted February 1, 2015 Report Share Posted February 1, 2015 Can't see it, chr. Plechanov Samorodov Gollob Plech Jancarz Waloszek Woryna Possibly Sayfutdinov if only he could be bothered to enter the GPs! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waiheke1 Posted February 1, 2015 Report Share Posted February 1, 2015 Hampel plech gollob plechanov sayfutdinov jancarz samorodov kasprzak and g laguta others of the modern generation that seemed worthy of consideration. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mickthemuppet Posted February 1, 2015 Report Share Posted February 1, 2015 (edited) Krzysztof Kaspezak(Possibly this years World champion) Jarek Hampel (Posted a 21 point maximum in one of last seasons GP's) Emil Sayfutdinov ( Who I thought was the fastest rider I had ever seen in the 2009 Gothenberg GP semi final passing Nickki Pedersen leaving him trailing) Whether he enters GP's or not does nor effect his ability as in European Championship Tomasz Gollob (Automatic Choice) Grigory Luguta (Done very well from a virtually non Speedway Country) Zenon Plech (One of the first Poles to race in UK) Edward Jancarz (Another Early Pole in this country ) Edited February 1, 2015 by mickthemuppet Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
customhouseregular Posted February 2, 2015 Report Share Posted February 2, 2015 Krzysztof Kaspezak(Possibly this years World champion) Jarek Hampel (Posted a 21 point maximum in one of last seasons GP's) Emil Sayfutdinov ( Who I thought was the fastest rider I had ever seen in the 2009 Gothenberg GP semi final passing Nickki Pedersen leaving him trailing) Whether he enters GP's or not does nor effect his ability as in European Championship Tomasz Gollob (Automatic Choice) Grigory Luguta (Done very well from a virtually non Speedway Country) Zenon Plech (One of the first Poles to race in UK) Edward Jancarz (Another Early Pole in this country ) No Plechanov?. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
norbold Posted February 2, 2015 Report Share Posted February 2, 2015 Zenon Plech (One of the first Poles to race in UK) Zenon Plech first came to ride in England for Hackney in 1976. Marian Kaiser 1959 Leicester; Henryk Zyto 1960 Coventry; Stefan Kwoczala 1960 Leicester. Kaz Bentke 1961 Coventry; Pawel Waloszek 1961 Leicester....... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lucifer sam Posted February 2, 2015 Report Share Posted February 2, 2015 (edited) What no Jerzy Szczakiel yet? The rider who beat the legendary Ivan Mauger TWICE in the '73 World Final (the only other rider to achieve that feat was John Louis in 1975), and scored a paid maximum in the 1971 World Pairs Final, as he & Wyglenda overcame the might of Ivan/Briggo. Mauger-to-Szczakiel head-to-head between 1971 and 1973: Mauger 7, Szczakiel 6. How many riders were capable of going head-to-head with Ivan over a three-year period? Mauger said he thought Szczakiel was a massively under-rated rider in his biography - I agree with that. Or are we only including riders to have competed in British Speedway? All the best Rob Edward Jancarz (Another Early Pole in this country ) I didn't think he had a British club until Wimbledon in 1977. All the best Rob Edited February 2, 2015 by lucifer sam Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 2, 2015 Report Share Posted February 2, 2015 (edited) What no Jerzy Szczakiel yet? The rider who beat the legendary Ivan Mauger TWICE in the '73 World Final (the only other rider to achieve that feat was John Louis in 1975), and scored a paid maximum in the 1971 World Pairs Final, as he & Wyglenda overcame the might of Ivan/Briggo. Mauger-to-Szczakiel head-to-head between 1971 and 1973: Mauger 7, Szczakiel 6. How many riders were capable of going head-to-head with Ivan over a three-year period? Mauger said he thought Szczakiel was a massively under-rated rider in his biography - I agree with that. Or are we only including riders to have competed in British Speedway? All the best Rob I didn't think he had a British club until Wimbledon in 1977. All the best Rob Jerzy Szackiel's victory was probably ridiculed because he upset the TV commentator who was not there to see a 'home town' winner. The ridicule poured on the Pole rates with me as one of the most shameful episodes in British speedway history. Edited February 2, 2015 by Guest Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OveFundinFan Posted February 2, 2015 Report Share Posted February 2, 2015 Seems a lot has been said about that meeting in 1973 in Katowice Heat 19 for instance when the ref deemed Russian Gregory Khinovsky the cause of Plech falling on the back straight last lap when Khinovsky was passing him. Russians withdrew in protest to the refereeing. Apparantly the ref took Plechs word the Russian knocked him off. Peter Collins awarded the win even though he was third at the time of the accident. Plech given 2nd even though not finished the race, and Gordeev given 3rd even though he did not finish either. Plech was the favoured Pole that day but Szczakiel out performed him. Khinovsky, the Russian was on 10 out of four rides at the time of being excluded in heat 19. If he had won that he would have been in a run off with Mauger and Szcakiel. Have you seen the run off between Mauger and Szczakiel? Mauger on the inside of Szczakiel at the start. Mauger was the master of rolling at the start, but Szczakiel out rolled him by a mile. Mauger fell bend 3-4 on the 2nd lap, race not stopped even though Mauger flat out (maybe a dying duck) on the track being attended to. Race not stopped, safety out the window - all done for the crowd so they could cheer on the Pole. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
customhouseregular Posted February 2, 2015 Report Share Posted February 2, 2015 I would not have Jerzy in my top 7 even given his performances against Mauger. Sayfutdinov should be in but who do leave out?. Away from Poles and Russians, how about Zagar?. Zenon Plech first came to ride in England for Hackney in 1976. Marian Kaiser 1959 Leicester; Henryk Zyto 1960 Coventry; Stefan Kwoczala 1960 Leicester. Kaz Bentke 1961 Coventry; Pawel Waloszek 1961 Leicester....... Plech, Jancarz and Woryna were always good to watch. As I recall there were a few good Czechs around in late 60's/early 70's. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lucifer sam Posted February 2, 2015 Report Share Posted February 2, 2015 (edited) I’m going for: Gollob (no reason needed) Plechanov (twice World No 2, and rubbed shoulders with the likes of Fundin & Mauger) Szczakiel (1973 World Champ, and 1971 World Pairs Final paid max) Hampel (three times in the top three of the world, and often the star for the Polish World Cup squad) Plech (World No 2 in 1979, World No 3 in 1973 and a quality performer over a period of time) Sayfutdinov (maybe 2013 World Champion but for injury) Kasprzak (2014 World No 2) On stand-by: Wyglenda (the leading light of three Polish World Team Cup successes, and 1971 World Pairs Final paid max) Woryna (twice World No 3, and another crucial member of Polish WTC successes) Waloszek (1970 World No 2) Samorodov (almost caused a sensation at Wembley in '64) Jancarz (1968 World No 3) All the best Rob I would not have Jerzy in my top 7 even given his performances against Mauger. Well, he's going in mine, because I need someone who can beat the mighty Ivan in a sudden death run-off, if we finish 39-39 against the Best-Ever NZ team at Katowice. All the best Rob Have you seen the run off between Mauger and Szczakiel? Mauger on the inside of Szczakiel at the start. Mauger was the master of rolling at the start, but Szczakiel out rolled him by a mile. Mauger fell bend 3-4 on the 2nd lap, race not stopped even though Mauger flat out (maybe a dying duck) on the track being attended to. Race not stopped, safety out the window - all done for the crowd so they could cheer on the Pole. Yes, the race is on YouTube. It should be pointed out that Georg Traunspurger's decision to allow the race to continue was FIM policy at this time. For example, in the 1974 final, a race was allowed to continue, despite the fact a stricken (and injured) Ole Olsen was on the track. The ref in '74 was Tore Kittelsen. Races were only stopped as the last resort after a rider fell. Unthinkable these days, but that's how it was. All the best Rob Edited February 2, 2015 by lucifer sam Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
customhouseregular Posted February 2, 2015 Report Share Posted February 2, 2015 It's hard to pick 7 when there are at least 10 who should be in the team . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lucifer sam Posted February 2, 2015 Report Share Posted February 2, 2015 It's hard to pick 7 when there are at least 10 who should be in the team . I'm starting to edge to replacing Plech with Wyglenda in my starting seven, as Wyglenda outscores Plech 4 to 0 in terms of FIM Gold Medals, and was very much a leading light in all four of those. All the best Rob Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
customhouseregular Posted February 3, 2015 Report Share Posted February 3, 2015 I'm starting to edge to replacing Plech with Wyglenda in my starting seven, as Wyglenda outscores Plech 4 to 0 in terms of FIM Gold Medals, and was very much a leading light in all four of those. All the best Rob Hard to argue with the stats. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grachan Posted February 3, 2015 Report Share Posted February 3, 2015 Yes, the race is on YouTube. It should be pointed out that Georg Traunspurger's decision to allow the race to continue was FIM policy at this time. For example, in the 1974 final, a race was allowed to continue, despite the fact a stricken (and injured) Ole Olsen was on the track. The ref in '74 was Tore Kittelsen. Races were only stopped as the last resort after a rider fell. Unthinkable these days, but that's how it was. All the best Rob Indeed. The same in 1976 with Egon Muller. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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