SCB Posted February 1, 2015 Report Share Posted February 1, 2015 Funny how the OP says Ward doesn't cheat but after the Kennett silencer issue a few riders scores dropped off. Now clearly, by co-incidence, Eastbourne vs Poole was taking place at exactly the same time here is the match report - notice that 1 or 2 riders scores alter mid-meeting, about the time that Lakeside complains about a couple of the Coventry riders bikes....If you're going to throw mud and make accusations, I suggest that the rider you're defending looks squeaky clean! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Doctor... Posted February 1, 2015 Report Share Posted February 1, 2015 Total BS... how many of them have you paid for ? . none ... how much do you know about the techniical side of speedway ..Nothing ... some people just have a Briggo fixation and you are one of them . What the hell has that got to do with him having an opinion ? You can't simply be right just because you're some bitter mechanic / hanger on with an axe to grind. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
piston197 Posted February 1, 2015 Report Share Posted February 1, 2015 I have often thought some starts are grippier than others, some are slicker, and the revs that the clutch are dropped at on these surfaces will govern the start speed, obviously coupled with reaction times . How difficult would it be to have an LED display of say 10 LED's where the first one lights at 5000 revs and subsequent ones come in at 500 rev intervals, a steady hand at the desired rev range and then concentration on the tapes could give consistency to some riders starts ?? Or is this cheating ? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tsunami Posted February 1, 2015 Report Share Posted February 1, 2015 What the hell has that got to do with him having an opinion ? You can't simply be right just because you're some bitter mechanic / hanger on with an axe to grind. Unfortunately, it's a typical jim the knacker type response. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
E I Addio Posted February 1, 2015 Report Share Posted February 1, 2015 (edited) Funny how the OP says Ward doesn't cheat but after the Kennett silencer issue a few riders scores dropped off. Now clearly, by co-incidence, Eastbourne vs Poole was taking place at exactly the same time here is the match report - notice that 1 or 2 riders scores alter mid-meeting, about the time that Lakeside complains about a couple of the Coventry riders bikes.... If you're going to throw mud and make accusations, I suggest that the rider you're defending looks squeaky clean! Funny you should m,ent ion Poole. On the Monday after the infamous Kennet incident at Lakeside Poole were at Wolves and one Poole heatleader in particular suddenly couldn't get round the bends properly. Now, I am not suggesting he had suddenly switched back from an illegal silencer to a legal one without the engine going back to his tuner (there being a weekend in between ) but if he had then lack of power on the bends is exactly what you would expect to happen and what the riders had be complaining about wit the new silencers. From memory I think the rider concerned scored about 4 and was noticeably on trouble on the turns. Edited February 1, 2015 by E I Addio Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wanderer Posted February 1, 2015 Author Report Share Posted February 1, 2015 I didn't say Darcy was a cheat only because in my opinion I don't think he is. He spends far too much money on his equipment and I dont think he need to cheat. He's hungry to win not a glory hunter and he puts bums on seats which is what we need at the moment Buts that what I said before about results changing straight after the Kennet incident But can anyone tell me just how many bikes were checked last year. It has to be made compulsory BSPA should state Anyone Found Cheating will be banned and they should make it also clear that bikes are riders responsibility and should know what they are riding No Excuses The saying Cheats don't prosper is not true they do and have been doing big time not only cash but reputation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The White Knight Posted February 1, 2015 Report Share Posted February 1, 2015 eddie kenntt is a natural talented riser and... danny bird was a natural talented rider.... jellyman was very talented ya cant stop cheats .. they are like the phone calls you get at home when you are just about to eat your tea.. Gets up early does he? :shock: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starman2006 Posted February 1, 2015 Report Share Posted February 1, 2015 I didn't say Darcy was a cheat only because in my opinion I don't think he is. He spends far too much money on his equipment and I dont think he need to cheat. He's hungry to win not a glory hunter and he puts bums on seats which is what we need at the moment Correct. One thing I do know, Darcy is NOT a cheat.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The White Knight Posted February 1, 2015 Report Share Posted February 1, 2015 Why does everyone seem to shy away from the word 'Nitro'? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arson fire Posted February 1, 2015 Report Share Posted February 1, 2015 Correct. One thing I do know, Darcy is NOT a cheat..How do you know this?? About any rider?? Like any rider would tell you... And if you are that in the know, Did you know that Eddie was before he got caught?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shale Searcher Posted February 1, 2015 Report Share Posted February 1, 2015 What and how is this "Nitro" obtained, put, and benefit??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The White Knight Posted February 1, 2015 Report Share Posted February 1, 2015 What and how is this "Nitro" obtained, put, and benefit??? I don't know. I am sure that someone on here could explain the technicalities of it. I DO know that it was used in the 70's. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starman2006 Posted February 1, 2015 Report Share Posted February 1, 2015 How do you know this?? Darcy has absolutely no reason to cheat. No disrespect to Eddie but Darcy is different class. Add to the fact he spends a hell of a lot of money on equipment, and tuning with Johnsy. So if he can pay that sort of money why and what reason would he need to cheat. I'l tell you... NONE. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
salty Posted February 1, 2015 Report Share Posted February 1, 2015 I was reading an article on Bob Andrews (ex World Finalist in the 60's) earlier today and there was this mention of cheating...... "There followed discussion on cheating in speedway and Bob told of working on the motor of a prominent Kiwi and he trued the flywheels then the piston would not fit and he checked and it was a 750cc barrel and piston! “At Wembly in the old days cheating was rife. Imagine this. A story I was told years ago by an International rider. It’s World Final time and a rider has a 750cc and a 500cc. For practice on the Thursday, he runs both bikes but only gets the 500cc scrutineered. They write down all the frame and engine numbers. So both bikes have the same numbers. “Then on race night he rides the 750cc and cleans up in the heats then wins his last race, which may be heat 17 in a 20 heat meeting, and while the celebrations are going on, on the track, the winner is thrown up in the air, photographs are being taken and his bike is wheeled away down the ramp to the gates where his 500cc has been warmed up outside the track, the bikes are swapped, and the 500cc.is brought into the pits. It still has dirt on it from the practice, so the winner’s mechanics are cleaning the bike. Then the scrutineer seals the bikes engine and takes it away for checking and the ‘big’ bike is on a trailer heading South or North.” I wonder did that ever happen.??" 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jim the whipper Posted February 1, 2015 Report Share Posted February 1, 2015 I don't know. I am sure that someone on here could explain the technicalities of it. I DO know that it was used in the 70's. Nitro today would be of little or no help .. to benefit from ther extra heat generated by the nitro burn . larger exhaust volume is neceesary to clear the spent charge . with todays silencers the engine would effectivley stifle itself over heat and size if not blow up from the back pressure . In the 70s with straight through pipes clearing spent gas was not a problem ... I was reading an article on Bob Andrews (ex World Finalist in the 60's) earlier today and there was this mention of cheating...... "There followed discussion on cheating in speedway and Bob told of working on the motor of a prominent Kiwi and he trued the flywheels then the piston would not fit and he checked and it was a 750cc barrel and piston! “At Wembly in the old days cheating was rife. Imagine this. A story I was told years ago by an International rider. It’s World Final time and a rider has a 750cc and a 500cc. For practice on the Thursday, he runs both bikes but only gets the 500cc scrutineered. They write down all the frame and engine numbers. So both bikes have the same numbers. “Then on race night he rides the 750cc and cleans up in the heats then wins his last race, which may be heat 17 in a 20 heat meeting, and while the celebrations are going on, on the track, the winner is thrown up in the air, photographs are being taken and his bike is wheeled away down the ramp to the gates where his 500cc has been warmed up outside the track, the bikes are swapped, and the 500cc.is brought into the pits. It still has dirt on it from the practice, so the winner’s mechanics are cleaning the bike. Then the scrutineer seals the bikes engine and takes it away for checking and the ‘big’ bike is on a trailer heading South or North.” I wonder did that ever happen.??" Never heard such a load of complete rubbish in my life ,, practise before the world final ? . when was that because I went to quite few and never heard of any practise . have you any idea how much bigger the barrell would need to be to increase the capacitity by 50% to 750 . . bikes are brought into the pits and are not allowed to be removed until the meeting is officially closed . do you think for one second that the riders of that era would not have pointed out bikes leaving the pits or being brought in ? there were ways of cheating back then , but none of the above was one of them Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWitcher Posted February 1, 2015 Report Share Posted February 1, 2015 Darcy has absolutely no reason to cheat. No disrespect to Eddie but Darcy is different class. Add to the fact he spends a hell of a lot of money on equipment, and tuning with Johnsy. So if he can pay that sort of money why and what reason would he need to cheat. I'l tell you... NONE. The higher you are, the more incentive there is and quite frankly, the more likely. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starman2006 Posted February 1, 2015 Report Share Posted February 1, 2015 The higher you are, the more incentive there is and quite frankly, the more likely. Of course you would say that and I would expect nothing else. Darcy is not and has no need to cheat in his position. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
refereerick Posted February 1, 2015 Report Share Posted February 1, 2015 Of course you would say that and I would expect nothing else. Darcy is not and has no need to cheat in his position. I've heard rumours he allegedly puts extra alcohol in his tank before the GP's? 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starman2006 Posted February 1, 2015 Report Share Posted February 1, 2015 I've heard rumours he allegedly puts extra alcohol in his tank before the GP's? Rumours are just that.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWitcher Posted February 1, 2015 Report Share Posted February 1, 2015 Of course you would say that and I would expect nothing else. Darcy is not and has no need to cheat in his position. I didn't mention Darcy. You really should stop being paranoid. I simply pointed out your assertion that someone being 'good' makes them less likely to cheat is ridiculously far of the mark. Rumours are just that.. Whoooshh! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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