Wanderer Posted February 1, 2015 Report Share Posted February 1, 2015 All the people on here slating Darcy Ward for having a drink, well at least he's not a Cheat. Darcy has a natural talent on a bike he stands out and is very exciting to watch But some riders are cheating and making some other naturally talented riders look well not so good. Bikes are not being checked and should be regularly this would show who the talented riders are. If the BSPA sent out letters to each club saying regular checks are now compulsory we will see a big change in riders results. Either that or make it level playing field for all in other words If You Can't Beat em Join em. Yes Edward Kennet cheated and got caught but did anyone notice certain riders results change? I did. but after a while it was business as usuall. I am not saying for one minute drink or drugs is ok speedway is fast and furious and is not for the faint hearted I for one admire the riders but cheating should be a Big No No and has got to be stopped. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
customhouseregular Posted February 1, 2015 Report Share Posted February 1, 2015 You are absolutely right Wanderer. Cheating is endemic in most sports and goes totally against the sporting ethos. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jenga Posted February 1, 2015 Report Share Posted February 1, 2015 eddie kenntt is a natural talented riser and...  danny bird was a natural talented rider....  jellyman was very talented   ya cant stop cheats .. they are like the phone calls you get at home when you are just about to eat your tea.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foamfence Posted February 1, 2015 Report Share Posted February 1, 2015 All the people on here slating Darcy Ward for having a drink, well at least he's not a Cheat. Darcy has a natural talent on a bike he stands out and is very exciting to watch But some riders are cheating and making some other naturally talented riders look well not so good. Bikes are not being checked and should be regularly this would show who the talented riders are. If the BSPA sent out letters to each club saying regular checks are now compulsory we will see a big change in riders results. Either that or make it level playing field for all in other words If You Can't Beat em Join em. Yes Edward Kennet cheated and got caught but did anyone notice certain riders results change? I did. but after a while it was business as usuall. I am not saying for one minute drink or drugs is ok speedway is fast and furious and is not for the faint hearted I for one admire the riders but cheating should be a Big No No and has got to be stopped. I remember a very famous former rider and promoter telling me that whatever you did with bikes, the best riders would still win. Cheating might give you some advantage against riders of a similar ability to yourself, but it won't turn a poor rider into a top one. Having said that, I'm all for clamping down on any cheating and I hope Darcy is soon back, he's left a big gap in his absence. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arson fire Posted February 1, 2015 Report Share Posted February 1, 2015 (edited) All the people on here slating Darcy Ward for having a drink, well at least he's not a Cheat. Darcy has a natural talent on a bike he stands out and is very exciting to watch But some riders are cheating and making some other naturally talented riders look well not so good. Bikes are not being checked and should be regularly this would show who the talented riders are. If the BSPA sent out letters to each club saying regular checks are now compulsory we will see a big change in riders results. Either that or make it level playing field for all in other words If You Can't Beat em Join em. Yes Edward Kennet cheated and got caught but did anyone notice certain riders results change? I did. but after a while it was business as usuall. I am not saying for one minute drink or drugs is ok speedway is fast and furious and is not for the faint hearted I for one admire the riders but cheating should be a Big No No and has got to be stopped. so you say some are cheating but Darcy isnt?? How do you know this?? Im not saying some are or he is btw Edited February 1, 2015 by Arson fire 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattK Posted February 1, 2015 Report Share Posted February 1, 2015 It would be very interesting to know how often bikes are scrutinised and to what level. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vince Posted February 1, 2015 Report Share Posted February 1, 2015 Be interesting to know what these cheats are doing, easy to say and with the silencers it would seem likely but what is it that Wanderer thinks is going on now? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWitcher Posted February 1, 2015 Report Share Posted February 1, 2015 Well we know from a couple of seasons ago the Star reported Barry Briggs accusations of cheating with the dirt deflectors... which apparently he could see from sat on his sofa watching a Sky meeting. Â The Star gave it a big headline.. Briggs accused riders and team managers of being aware of it... he claimed it gave you a bike lengths advantage to turn 1.. Â At the time I said this was a serious accusation and either Briggs just wanted a bit of attention or he should be reporting his findings and the names of the riders to the BSPA/SCB. Of course that didn't happen.. so one can only conclude he was talking codswallop. Â A further investigative story was promised in the Star... which never happened. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Blobby Posted February 1, 2015 Report Share Posted February 1, 2015 When Edinburgh were at peterborough last season they accused Craig Cook of tampering with his fuel by mixing something in it to make him go faster. It was tested there and then but there was nothing wrong with it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattK Posted February 1, 2015 Report Share Posted February 1, 2015 Be interesting to know what these cheats are doing, easy to say and with the silencers it would seem likely but what is it that Wanderer thinks is going on now? Â How often are engine capacities tested for example? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWitcher Posted February 1, 2015 Report Share Posted February 1, 2015 Â How often are engine capacities tested for example? Â Doubt they are unless someone protests.. then they have to pay a fee to do so. When Edinburgh were at peterborough last season they accused Craig Cook of tampering with his fuel by mixing something in it to make him go faster. It was tested there and then but there was nothing wrong with it. Â There wouldn't be if its the substance that certain famous Poles are alleged to have used over the years. It''s designed to help propel you from the start, after which all traces of it are gone.... so I've been told, who knows if there is any 'substance' to it... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jim the whipper Posted February 1, 2015 Report Share Posted February 1, 2015 Well we know from a couple of seasons ago the Star reported Barry Briggs accusations of cheating with the dirt deflectors... which apparently he could see from sat on his sofa watching a Sky meeting.  The Star gave it a big headline.. Briggs accused riders and team managers of being aware of it... he claimed it gave you a bike lengths advantage to turn 1..  At the time I said this was a serious accusation and either Briggs just wanted a bit of attention or he should be reporting his findings and the names of the riders to the BSPA/SCB. Of course that didn't happen.. so one can only conclude he was talking codswallop.  A further investigative story was promised in the Star... which never happened. Thats because both the Star and SCB knew it was just about Briggs making more money for himself . Like the trouble and expense he caused claiming the Poles were faking his over priced dirt deflectors . the only difference between the Polish Briggo's and the approved one was a slight difference in the colour of the plastic and of course the poish ones did not include £100 for Briggs in the price . nonetheless the brainless turds at the BSPA and SCB insitsed on Outlawing the Polish copies so that Briggs can continue to Bleed money out of speedway 45 years after he last rode a competitive race . 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Humphrey Appleby Posted February 1, 2015 Report Share Posted February 1, 2015 There wouldn't be if its the substance that certain famous Poles are alleged to have used over the years. It''s designed to help propel you from the start, after which all traces of it are gone.... so I've been told, who knows if there is any 'substance' to it... Â Alka Seltzers in the fuel? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tsunami Posted February 1, 2015 Report Share Posted February 1, 2015 (edited) Thats because both the Star and SCB knew it was just about Briggs making more money for himself . Like the trouble and expense he caused claiming the Poles were faking his over priced dirt deflectors . the only difference between the Polish Briggo's and the approved one was a slight difference in the colour of the plastic and of course the poish ones did not include £100 for Briggs in the price . nonetheless the brainless turds at the BSPA and SCB insitsed on Outlawing the Polish copies so that Briggs can continue to Bleed money out of speedway 45 years after he last rode a competitive race . Just NOT true. Some were made in Denmark as well as Poland, but were in a softer alloy, and some with thinner wall thickness's. Some folks just have a Briggo fixation. There are about 3 makes of dirt deflector that are approved for speedway, but practically everyone uses Briggo ones as they are simply the best(expensive yes.). Edited February 1, 2015 by Tsunami 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jim the whipper Posted February 1, 2015 Report Share Posted February 1, 2015 Â Alka Seltzers in the fuel? the most recent cheating was with advance switches for the ignition . allowing rerade ignition off the start givng massive grunt then advanced with the switch to give extra drfive once away .. martin smolinski was using one and got reported by the some other riders who were dissapointed about being outcheated Just NOT true. Some were made in Denmark as well as Poland, but were in a softer alloy, and some with thinner wall thickness's. Some folks just have a Briggo fixation. There are about 3 makes of dirt deflector that are approved for speedway, but practically everyone uses Briggo ones as they are simply the best(expensive yes.). Total BS... how many of them have you paid for ? . none ... how much do you know about the techniical side of speedway ..Nothing ... some people just have a Briggo fixation and you are one of them . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tsunami Posted February 1, 2015 Report Share Posted February 1, 2015 (edited) the most recent cheating was with advance switches for the ignition . allowing rerade ignition off the start givng massive grunt then advanced with the switch to give extra drfive once away .. martin smolinski was using one and got reported by the some other riders who were dissapointed about being outcheated Total BS... how many of them have you paid for ? . none ... how much do you know about the techniical side of speedway ..Nothing ... some people just have a Briggo fixation and you are one of them . A certain Exeter rider had one over 12 years ago, but apparently I know fukc all about technical things. Funny how a spotted it, reported it to the ref, who stopped him using it and his score went 33300. Â Quite a few actually, having about 9 bikes of my own, most of which i have put together from scratch..... enough to get by, I ask when I don't.....Bullrubbish at it's best Edited February 1, 2015 by Tsunami 9 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OveFundinFan Posted February 1, 2015 Report Share Posted February 1, 2015 (edited) Was Smolinski cheating with that ignition device - or had he found a loophole in the regs that was then closed. Big difference. Â I remarked in a different thread the other night I was watching You Tube and speedway world finals etc from the 70's and what the likes of Mauger, Olsen and others got away with was ridiculous. Rolling starts was the order of the day, and they got away with it. We all know if you first into the first corner you NOT guaranteed a win, but it sure is a big advantage when you racing someone your equal. It made me think, would these multi world champions still have been multi world champs if they had to sit still at the tapes. I am impressed with todays GP's and the standard of the starts, either they called back if they do a roller, or punished by the tapes going up whilst they going back from the tapes. In that respect I think todays refereeing is good quality. And my previous comments about todays discipline makes the likes of Greg Hancocks starts all the more remarkable and impressive. Edited February 1, 2015 by OveFundinFan 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tsunami Posted February 1, 2015 Report Share Posted February 1, 2015 Was Smolinski cheating with that ignition device - or had he found a loophole in the regs that was then closed. Big difference. Â I remarked in a different thread the other night I was watching You Tube and speedway world finals etc from the 70's and what the likes of Mauger, Olsen and others got away with was ridiculous. Rolling starts was the order of the day, and they got away with it. We all know if you first into the first corner you NOT guaranteed a win, but it sure is a big advantage when you racing someone your equal. It made me think, would these multi world champions still have been multi world champs if they had to sit still at the tapes. I am impressed with todays GP's and the standard of the starts, either they called back if they do a roller, or punished by the tapes going up whilst they going back from the tapes. In that respect I think todays refereeing is good quality. And my previous comments about todays discipline makes the likes of Greg Hancocks starts all the more remarkable and impressive. It fundamentally alters the setup of his engine. In about 1997, there was a questionnaire for all riders and they were asked if they wished to see programmable ignition systems, which allowed the setup to be change during racing. Mainly on a cost basis, the use of the programmers were unwanted and therefore banned. There has been several instances of riders having concealed switches, such as Smolinski's, using them in test rides and some, like the Exeter rider I will not name, continued to use it. He had a reputation as a swift gater. Â Mauger tells you in his book that he recorded the performance of all referee's, knowing who were soft touches, and who were not. He knew their characteristics with the start mechanisms, and it certainly paid off for him. Starting at Newcastle, we knew he was a great gater anyway, he just mastered the mind games as well. Â Agree about Hancock, he has a great skill, which he can repeat in just about every race at world level. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bagpuss Posted February 1, 2015 Report Share Posted February 1, 2015 There wouldn't be if its the substance that certain famous Poles are alleged to have used over the years. It''s designed to help propel you from the start, after which all traces of it are gone.... so I've been told, who knows if there is any 'substance' to it... Â Heard exactly that about Cook, and that he didn't perform a back straight practice start on his way to the tapes for that very reason. Who knows. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jenga Posted February 1, 2015 Report Share Posted February 1, 2015 its midsummer murders all over.or in craigs lingo. its a mudaa.. the lads got talent , live with it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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