Tsunami Posted January 28, 2015 Report Share Posted January 28, 2015 (edited) A well reasoned post from Jane as usual,and she does have knowledge of the situation....But the competing teams have been known for a long time so i dont see why it should take so long ..It seems to me that no consideration to the fans and their planning ,is taken into account... Could be of course that the NL hold their AGM in January and have done for years. Nowt new there. The fixture lists of the EL and the PL are produced separately by different people, and I gather neither is a matched set yet, so you can expect some changes in the meanwhile. As Jane shows, the NL is always behind the EL/PL in terms of fixtures, so there is no rush till the joint fixtures are settled. What do some want. Rushed out fixtures, which are not worth the paper are written on, and unwanted bookings of accommodation and travel. Edited January 28, 2015 by Tsunami Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan_Jones Posted January 28, 2015 Report Share Posted January 28, 2015 Could be of course that the NL hold their AGM in January and have done for years. Nowt new there. The NL AGM was on November 9th. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cityrebel Posted January 28, 2015 Report Share Posted January 28, 2015 We have to make sure there are no clashes for the Raiders riders!have the raiders got any riders Arnie! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
double_O Posted January 28, 2015 Report Share Posted January 28, 2015 The NL AGM was on November 9th. It was December 9th Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tsunami Posted January 28, 2015 Report Share Posted January 28, 2015 (edited) It was December 9th My mistake I thought i read it was planned for January, when it has always been held. If it wasn't the AGM was there a meeting in January. I understood there was a meeting around about the 13th January. Edited January 28, 2015 by Tsunami Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan_Jones Posted January 28, 2015 Report Share Posted January 28, 2015 It was December 9th That's what I said...............nearly! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uk_martin Posted January 28, 2015 Report Share Posted January 28, 2015 I read somewhere that teams like Stoke get by with only about 200 supporters. To them an additional 20 traveling fans in a mini-bus and a car, would mean a 10% increase in income. Stoke's home support could be dwarfed by Birmingham and Cradley fans, and it's well known that for the past 3 years, Buxton dine-out on the income from the visit by Cradley...but how many of these fans can yet book their time off work, and how many supporters clubs can yet book minibuses or coaches??? Of course if you make it impossible for the fans to plan ahead by witholding the dates of the meetings then don't be surprised if the visiting fans don't turn up (as I won't be) Everyone talks about the sport being in a dire financial crisis, and yet the BSPA is doing it's best here to deny the 3rd division teams just the income that they so desperately need. CRAZY! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Islander15 Posted January 28, 2015 Report Share Posted January 28, 2015 (edited) I read somewhere that teams like Stoke get by with only about 200 supporters. To them an additional 20 traveling fans in a mini-bus and a car, would mean a 10% increase in income. Stoke's home support could be dwarfed by Birmingham and Cradley fans, and it's well known that for the past 3 years, Buxton dine-out on the income from the visit by Cradley...but how many of these fans can yet book their time off work, and how many supporters clubs can yet book minibuses or coaches??? Of course if you make it impossible for the fans to plan ahead by witholding the dates of the meetings then don't be surprised if the visiting fans don't turn up (as I won't be) Everyone talks about the sport being in a dire financial crisis, and yet the BSPA is doing it's best here to deny the 3rd division teams just the income that they so desperately need. CRAZY! What a ridiculous statement to make! Are you seriously saying that if Cradley had have moved up this year, like they wanted to, that Buxton would have gone bust? How many years were Buxton running before Dudley even appeared?? They just work with stricter constraints, sometimes that means poorer septets but, like this year by the looks of things, sometimes the continuity provides good looking teams! And another thing that you'll soon come to realise is that the NL is effectively regarded as completely separate to the EL and PL, so where you go blaming the BSPA for late fixtures it's essentially nothing to do with them and all down to Mr Morrish to co-ordinate. My mistake I thought i read it was planned for January, when it has always been held. If it wasn't the AGM was there a meeting in January. I understood there was a meeting around about the 13th January. Nothing that I'm aware of on Jan 13th and the AGM was held in Decemberin 2013 as well as last year! have the raiders got any riders Arnie! They have at least 1 riding PL. Edited January 28, 2015 by Islander15 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pete cc Posted January 28, 2015 Report Share Posted January 28, 2015 Most of the league are weekend tracks, Can't be that many people having to work weekends? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mac101 Posted January 28, 2015 Report Share Posted January 28, 2015 How many nl clubs run on weekends now Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Halifaxtiger Posted January 29, 2015 Report Share Posted January 29, 2015 I read somewhere that teams like Stoke get by with only about 200 supporters. To them an additional 20 traveling fans in a mini-bus and a car, would mean a 10% increase in income. Stoke's home support could be dwarfed by Birmingham and Cradley fans, and it's well known that for the past 3 years, Buxton dine-out on the income from the visit by Cradley...but how many of these fans can yet book their time off work, and how many supporters clubs can yet book minibuses or coaches??? Of course if you make it impossible for the fans to plan ahead by witholding the dates of the meetings then don't be surprised if the visiting fans don't turn up (as I won't be) Everyone talks about the sport being in a dire financial crisis, and yet the BSPA is doing it's best here to deny the 3rd division teams just the income that they so desperately need. CRAZY! That's simply not true. There's no 'withholding' of fixture dates at all - as Jayne has explained, they have to be compiled after the EL & PL ones. In any case, they'll be available probably two months or so before the start of the season - how much notice do people need ? How many nl clubs run on weekends now Half (Coventry run Fridays). 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uk_martin Posted January 29, 2015 Report Share Posted January 29, 2015 In any case, they'll be available probably two months or so before the start of the season - how much notice do people need ? It's less than 2 months already. Birmingham & Cradley's seasons start on 18th March. Thankfully, their first 2 fixtures are know about, mainly because the BSPA were NOT involved in arranging them. As for how much notice do people need... Everyone's different. I guess pensioners (the bulk of some team's fan bases) have unlimited flexibility, but if you remember back to when you were at work and when leave is allocated on a first come first served basis, you'd have wanted as much notice as possible so that you can book off those dates you want off, before someone else books them ahead of you. Likewise, if you are booking minibuses or coaches, the further in advance you put your bookings in, the better the deal (and the lower the cost to the fans) you can arrange. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teddy2706 Posted January 29, 2015 Report Share Posted January 29, 2015 I did see a Stoke supporters bus at Mildenhall in 2011, it was late arriving if I remember rightly, not noticed one since. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teaboy279 Posted January 29, 2015 Report Share Posted January 29, 2015 Kent is obviously a pain for away fans being so early on a Monday evening but the only two clubs that have brought big numbers to us are mildo and cradley. Think Kent travel pretty well, I got to most nl tracks last year except buxton and Lynn. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uk_martin Posted January 29, 2015 Report Share Posted January 29, 2015 I did see a Stoke supporters bus at Mildenhall in 2011, it was late arriving if I remember rightly, not noticed one since. That was probably because they set out as soon as they were told of the fixture and simply didn't have the time to complete the journey. No wonder no-one wants to go to away matches any more. Innit? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Humphrey Appleby Posted January 30, 2015 Report Share Posted January 30, 2015 I'd say that's not totally unreasonable that the fixtures of the third tier aren't out before the end of January. That level has to work around the needs of the higher tiers in terms of availability of tracks and riders. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Falcon Hammer Posted February 1, 2015 Report Share Posted February 1, 2015 "The full National League (including Trophy and KOC) fixtures are expected to be published later this week." http://www.kentkings....php?extend.314 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike.Butler Posted February 2, 2015 Report Share Posted February 2, 2015 to be fair I can't tell a club whether I will definitely be at their meeting or not until the same morning... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wiseguy Posted February 2, 2015 Report Share Posted February 2, 2015 Kent is obviously a pain for away fans being so early on a Monday evening but the only two clubs that have brought big numbers to us are mildo and cradley. Think Kent travel pretty well, I got to most nl tracks last year except buxton and Lynn. Do kent normally run a bus for away supporters to go to the likes of Eastbourne ,mildenhall etc ? or is it left to the individuals to make there own way there Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teaboy279 Posted February 2, 2015 Report Share Posted February 2, 2015 They run buses a few times a season, not sure exactly how many meets they ran one too last year. We always go by ourselves although may take a few coaches this year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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