What The Visa Issues Could Mean For Teams.

[pete cc]

Another UKBA balls up, with the help of speedway promoters? Thats what it looks like, year after year, must be time for our promoters to join together & form an non EU rider pool before the start of each season? Ashley Morris & others start warming your engines.

[Shadders]

So which British riders played Poker and haven't signed yet, probably knowing that there would be some better deals on offer.

Hmmmm... I wonder!!

[Tsunami]

 

My point is we make it to easy for them to come over for seven months of the year, jump into a job, that in fact a British subject can do, is it not.

Yes, but only if we had enough riders to go around, which we haven't. That is one of the reasons why we have D/U arrangements, so employing migrants like Yanks and Aussies does not displace a Brit.

That was then, this is now. Plenty of Brits died fighting for Australia as well, but it doesn't get us any special favours Down Under, and many Australians now originate from countries that didn't commit to any side.

 

Of course this is all a bit daft, but it's the consequence of 'cracking down on immigration' as you advocate elsewhere.

Bollocks. Far too broad a conclusion to reach, but noticeable that you want to chastise a certain poster. Childish behaviour. You can, and the country needs, to control immigration so that we only allow in those we need and want. Importing sportsman at a certain ability is entirely a different situation and you know that.

[Fromafar]

My point is we make it to easy for them to come over for seven months of the year, jump into a job, that in fact a British subject can do, is it not.

Sorry were at cross purposes ,

[screm]

Update/comment from Edinburgh site.............

 

http://www.edinburghmonarchs.co/news/article.asp?id=1921&utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter

 

If Sedgeman and Masters face waiting till mid March to attain their visa`s, its fair to say all the other riders will be in the same boat, mid March is cutting things a bit fine for some clubs.

[Najjer]

I would assume Somerset remains unaffected, as we're led to believe Grajczonek has a Polish passport and Brady holds a British passport... Although that's not confirmed.

Another piece of info here:

 

http://www.speedwaygp.com/news/article/3925/poole-in-holder-visa-fears

[dontforgetthefueltapsbruv]

I would assume Somerset remains unaffected, as we're led to believe Grajczonek has a Polish passport and Brady holds a British passport... Although that's not confirmed.

 

Another piece of info here:

 

http://www.speedwaygp.com/news/article/3925/poole-in-holder-visa-fears

that piece states that 'Watt has a long term visa and as such is unaffected'

This contradicts suggestions that all visas including existing have been cancalled.

The Davies open letter states 17 affected which also indicates not all.

[Humphrey Appleby]

You can, and the country needs, to control immigration so that we only allow in those we need and want. Importing sportsman at a certain ability is entirely a different situation and you know that.

 

You can make that argument for any specialised industry, and speedway is not of any significant economic consequence to the UK so should not expect any special privileges.

 

The 'elite' level of a professional sport is one thing, but I think it could be easily argued that there shouldn't be a single work permit rider in the second and third divisions of British speedway whilst there are British riders who can competently ride a speedway bike, regardless of whether their face happens to fits with the local promoter. Of course, it's interesting how principles go out the window when it's affects one's own team/business...

[XTC38L]

that piece states that 'Watt has a long term visa and as such is unaffected'

This contradicts suggestions that all visas including existing have been cancalled.

The Davies open letter states 17 affected which also indicates not all.

watt is on a different visa. ie not a sporting one he has residency. All tier 2 visas are affected

[Alan_Jones]

that piece states that 'Watt has a long term visa and as such is unaffected'

This contradicts suggestions that all visas including existing have been cancalled.

The Davies open letter states 17 affected which also indicates not all.

 

Along with a lot of the protagonists still referring to the defunct UKBA, it indicates the general level of understanding that has led to the current situation . Watt is in the same situation as Ricky Wells, having been granted indefinite leave to remain.

[Tsunami]

 

You can make that argument for any specialised industry, and speedway is not of any significant economic consequence to the UK so should not expect any special privileges.

 

The 'elite' level of a professional sport is one thing, but I think it could be easily argued that there shouldn't be a single work permit rider in the second and third divisions of British speedway whilst there are British riders who can competently ride a speedway bike, regardless of whether their face happens to fits with the local promoter. Of course, it's interesting how principles go out the window when it's affects one's own team/business...

So it's OK to allow in(note not emigrate) third rate footballers from all over the world, and employ them even down into League 2. I, and no one else, is saying Speedway should get special privileges, but sport in general is different. given who is allowed to play in other sports. Note again, this is NOT immigration, but allowing migrants? in to support and enrich a sport.

Edited January 22, 2015 by Tsunami

[Shadders]

So it's OK to allow in(note not emigrate) third rate footballers from all over the world, and employ them even down into League 3. I, and no one else, is saying Speedway should get special privileges, but sport in general is different. given who is allowed to play in other sports. Note again, this is NOT immigration, but allowing migrants? in to support and enrich a sport.

Promoters have been flouting the rules for a couple of years. This is the authorities slapping them on the wrist Edited January 22, 2015 by Shads

[Tsunami]

Promoters have been flouting the rules for a couple of years. This is the authorities slapping them on the wrist

If you read the post by HalifaxTiger, he is being told it is only the individual members that have not complied, not THE BSPA.

[Roger MARTIN]

Lets get this straight, do a club sign a rider, then apply for a visa for him, or do the rider apply for a visa then join a club, when we know the answer to that, we will know who is to blame.

You have to ask yourself why are there less British riders in the sport now, and if you don't know the answer to that, your not paying attention,

when you let sportsmen from all sports come into this Country, without any form of control, you get whats happening now, that Countrys sportsmen will suffer, you will get less and less has the years go on, at some stage someone with half a brain behind a deck in charge will see that, like this year, and do something about it, Speedway is at the bottom of the pile, has sports go in this Country, and it now seems, that is where they are going to start, when a team bins British riders in favour of riders from other Country's, then they must take some of the blame for what's happening.

Edited January 23, 2015 by Devildodger

[SCB]

So it's OK to allow in(note not emigrate) third rate footballers from all over the world, and employ them even down into League 3. I, and no one else, is saying Speedway should get special privileges, but sport in general is different. given who is allowed to play in other sports. Note again, this is NOT immigration, but allowing migrants? in to support and enrich a sport.

So what 3rd rate footballers that need work permits are playing in League 3?

 

Footballers have to have played in 75% of there countries international games in the last 2 season. And that country has to be a top 70 country.

Edited January 22, 2015 by SCB

[salty]

There isn't a league 3.

[cheekycobra]

Maybe its because I'm a speedway fan that this issue stands out, but to me it seems its the easy option and less of a racial thing to come down hard on Aussies and Americans regarding immigration. The British public has voiced a concern over immigration for years now. As I understand it, its not to stop people with a career to enter, ie a doctor etc but to stop those who enter to sponge from the system. Speedway riders come here under the "career" option and add to the system. Sort immigration out... yes, but the bigwigs are not doing it the way the British public are demanding and are not coming down hard on the right people. This stinks.

[Roger MARTIN]

So what 3rd rate footballers that need work permits are playing in League 3?

 

Footballers have to have played in 75% of there countries international games in the last 2 season. And that country has to be a top 70 country.

 

The problem with some people, because a player's not white, there not from this Country, your right SCB, the Country they play for maybe third rate, but they still qualify, how many Australian speedway riders in the EL and PL, ride for there Country.

Edited January 22, 2015 by Devildodger

[Lord Skid]

Perhaps now is a good time for Australia to run their own League, then our Riders can go and have fun in their Country, Australians will tell anyone who wants to listen that they are proud Aussies, great, but don't expect the UK to bend over backwards to help when it suits.

[Tsunami]

Maybe its because I'm a speedway fan that this issue stands out, but to me it seems its the easy option and less of a racial thing to come down hard on Aussies and Americans regarding immigration. The British public has voiced a concern over immigration for years now. As I understand it, its not to stop people with a career to enter, ie a doctor etc but to stop those who enter to sponge from the system. Speedway riders come here under the "career" option and add to the system. Sort immigration out... yes, but the bigwigs are not doing it the way the British public are demanding and are not coming down hard on the right people. This stinks.

Thing is though CC, it's not an immigration thing as HA and others would have you believe. With sportsmen, it is the right to play their sport to add quality to the sport. Footballers like Diego Costa, Suarez, Courtois, Alexis Sanchez, etc, are not emigrating into the UK, and in the same way, speedway riders should be treat in the same way, and accepted as being transient sportsmen not immigrants.