mdmc82 Posted January 22, 2015 Report Share Posted January 22, 2015 Might be wrong but I don't think Holder is married, of course that might change now. What about the fact his son is british? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madsteve Posted January 22, 2015 Report Share Posted January 22, 2015 (edited) Another mess for British Speedway Edited January 22, 2015 by madsteve Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edmon Posted January 22, 2015 Report Share Posted January 22, 2015 What about the fact his son is british? Have read many times of people who could not enter the country even although they have wife and family here, so I would suspect it may not matter. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Humphrey Appleby Posted January 22, 2015 Report Share Posted January 22, 2015 You could argue that a fair few of those are already good at their jobs, but just fall short of the "criteria" to now suddenly get a visa. You're good enough to have a visa and ride over here if you averaged 7.00, come on over, but if you averaged 6.99 you're not good enough and stay away? If I just fall short of the points criteria to get an Australian visa, then it's too bad. There's always going to be a cut-off somewhere when you use points based assessment. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Skid Posted January 22, 2015 Report Share Posted January 22, 2015 So which British riders played Poker and haven't signed yet, probably knowing that there would be some better deals on offer. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panthers89 Posted January 22, 2015 Report Share Posted January 22, 2015 So which British riders played Poker and haven't signed yet, probably knowing that there would be some better deals on offer. Cant see the riders being that clever tbh, its your livelihood on the line, if your not riding then your not earning, so would they really risk it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptainAudi Posted January 22, 2015 Report Share Posted January 22, 2015 (edited) So which British riders played Poker and haven't signed yet, probably knowing that there would be some better deals on offer.hardly any of note. Todd Kurtz will be in demand I guess. (I think he has DN, but don't quote me on that) Edited January 22, 2015 by MonarchsMitchy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ruffdiamond Posted January 22, 2015 Report Share Posted January 22, 2015 So which British riders played Poker and haven't signed yet, probably knowing that there would be some better deals on offer. maybe not a rider, but Brian Havelock, Aaron Sumers must be worth a fortune now,,, Crikey!!! :shock: This could change a few things. :shock: more Swede's :-) Let me just get this right; there 22 speedway riders (absolutely integral to the success of speedway in this country) barred from entering what is their Mother Country. What has HM Queen to say about this; lets be straight to the point I have more in common with Ryan Douglas than the 22000 illegals(and more) from the EU and Third World trudging the streets of Bradford. So what the hell is going on with the UKBA to bar skilled Commonwealth citizens from working here. Speedways not just any old job; we cannot find 22 riders of their standard just off the cuff. I would fiercely contend that their absence seriously damages Speedway PLC in the UK and each individual promotion that employed them. Where can Scunny find two riders to replace Ryan Douglas and Alex Davies. A guy I work with his son; announced he was off to Australia at Christmas; packs his bags and flies to Sydney. Only got A Levels and has found a job already he's no specialised skills or qualifications; but the Aussies have not kicked him out. What sort of Visa would he need to bum around in Oz for a year. My neice works in Sydney has done for two years. She has a degree in Sociology and works in their equivalent of BUPA in administration what sort of Visa is that?. So why are we discriminating against Australians. Think about football and all the useless EU and African players that rock up here; end up sitting around on benches on ££££s then disappear. How the hell do they get in. This needs taking to the highest level of protest; the Queen as far as I am aware is the Head of the Commonwealth; and has the power to over rule the useless UKBA. As far as I am aware the Commonwealth still exists (it did for the games last summer anyway) so I cannot see how the UKBA can prevent the free movement of Commonwealth citizens from one country to another provided they have a viable occupation to go to or can secure work on arrival. I am spitting feathers about this; I bloody am. does the Queen like speedway ??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arson fire Posted January 22, 2015 Report Share Posted January 22, 2015 Let me just get this right; there 22 speedway riders (absolutely integral to the success of speedway in this country) barred from entering what is their Mother Country. What has HM Queen to say about this; lets be straight to the point I have more in common with Ryan Douglas than the 22000 illegals(and more) from the EU and Third World trudging the streets of Bradford. So what the hell is going on with the UKBA to bar skilled Commonwealth citizens from working here. Speedways not just any old job; we cannot find 22 riders of their standard just off the cuff. I would fiercely contend that their absence seriously damages Speedway PLC in the UK and each individual promotion that employed them. Where can Scunny find two riders to replace Ryan Douglas and Alex Davies. A guy I work with his son; announced he was off to Australia at Christmas; packs his bags and flies to Sydney. Only got A Levels and has found a job already he's no specialised skills or qualifications; but the Aussies have not kicked him out. What sort of Visa would he need to bum around in Oz for a year. My neice works in Sydney has done for two years. She has a degree in Sociology and works in their equivalent of BUPA in administration what sort of Visa is that?. So why are we discriminating against Australians. Think about football and all the useless EU and African players that rock up here; end up sitting around on benches on ££££s then disappear. How the hell do they get in. This needs taking to the highest level of protest; the Queen as far as I am aware is the Head of the Commonwealth; and has the power to over rule the useless UKBA. As far as I am aware the Commonwealth still exists (it did for the games last summer anyway) so I cannot see how the UKBA can prevent the free movement of Commonwealth citizens from one country to another provided they have a viable occupation to go to or can secure work on arrival. I am spitting feathers about this; I bloody am. calm down dear 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cue Ball Posted January 22, 2015 Report Share Posted January 22, 2015 Compton and Ben Wilson spring to mind as being very employable now (would have had them anyway personally) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan_Jones Posted January 22, 2015 Report Share Posted January 22, 2015 Here's some solid info; http://scunthorpescorpions.co/?p=2383 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
idh Posted January 22, 2015 Report Share Posted January 22, 2015 (edited) Latest from Scunthorpe Scorpions site http://scunthorpescorpions.co/?p=2383 Clarifies everything Sorry to duplicate Alans post must have been doing it the same time Edited January 22, 2015 by idh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joseq7 Posted January 22, 2015 Report Share Posted January 22, 2015 Latest from Scunthorpe Scorpions site http://scunthorpescorpions.co/?p=2383 Clarifies everything Sorry to duplicate Alans post must have been doing it the same time No mention of the 7 point plus exemption. Alex Davies is 7+. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cue Ball Posted January 22, 2015 Report Share Posted January 22, 2015 Compton and Ben Wilson spring to mind as being very employable now (would have had them anyway personally) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fromafar Posted January 22, 2015 Report Share Posted January 22, 2015 if all this is true,what I don't understand is how did all the riders get in in the past few years ,I'm sure they don't change the criteria every year on visa's.Its meant to be aProfessional Sport but is run by amateurs who think they can do what they warn .It all seems a bit harsh IMO Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted January 22, 2015 Report Share Posted January 22, 2015 I'm presuming that this is because the BSPA have ignored the UKBA rules for the past couple of years. The BSPA allowed Somerset to use an Aussie at a lower points limit than the UKBA stated last year IIRC. Weren't the BSPA due to have a meeting with the UKBA about this? It appears that the BSPA were more worried about upsetting Somerset than the UKBA and now UK Speedway is paying the price... Kurtz doesnt need a work permit - mum, dad, gran on granddad must be British. the first four on the list all average over 7. Fricke is national u21 champion. have woodward or north finished top four in a state competition? The issue is that clubs are not allowed to employ work permit rider as they've been so crap at doing it in the past That's a bit harsh isn't it? There may not be any on that list who could currently be labelled "world class", but there's one or two youngsters on there that certainly have the potential to be. I'm not sure the majority on that list "add very little" either. They offer a darn sight more than some of the crap Brits that will have to be shoehorned in to make up the numbers if these guys get refused Visa's! I do agree however that over the years, far too many overseas riders who were clearly not good enough were given Visa's and team places over here at the expense of Brits of a similar standard, that shouldn't have done. It's reality. How many work permit footballers do you see in leagues 1 and 2? Work permits are meant to be for top class people, I'm afraid that being PL is not top class. See the hoops even PL clubs have to sign footballers and you realise how easy speedway has had it for years. And it's OK people saying they're commonwealth, they're our international cousins etc, you have the rise of UKIP to thank ultimately - people wanting clamp down on foreigners, this is the result. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ned Kelly 41 Posted January 22, 2015 Report Share Posted January 22, 2015 (edited) if all this is true,what I don't understand is how did all the riders get in in the past few years ,I'm sure they don't change the criteria every year on visa's.Its meant to be aProfessional Sport but is run by amateurs who think they can do what they warn .It all seems a bit harsh IMO They may not have changed the criteria, but they've certainly changed the way it is enforced. From April 2008 until the end of March 2013, visas were processed by the inefficient and much-criticised UK Borders Agency. It was a direct result of the authorities being so lax that speedway clubs got lazy, and (some, only some) didn't keep proper employment records. The Conservative coalition disbanded this Agency as from April 1st, 2013 and set up the current UK Visas & Immigration and (separate) Immigration Enforcement agencies. There was a noticeable tightening-up of procedures, culminating in speedway getting handed yesterday's news, and the efficiently-run clubs being grouped in, and punished alongside the less-organised others. One thing not being talked about is the (perhaps-mythical) need for a rider at PL level to achieve a 7-point average. When this was first introduced, CMAs included bonus points. Should there not be a lowering of the barrier, or could bonus points be reintroduced to rolling averages, giving the CMA of a rider involved in a team sport a truer reflection of his worth and abilities? Edited January 22, 2015 by Ned Kelly 41 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grachan Posted January 22, 2015 Report Share Posted January 22, 2015 I'm sure they don't change the criteria every year on visa's. They do at the moment. There are constantly evolving immigration laws going on, as the government try to keep immigration figures down to get hte UKIP vote. This is what it's all about, basically. Making things tougher so that figure can be quoted at those who moan about immigrants. Because, like it or not, that is what Australian Speedway Riders are, even if they do have white skin and speak English. It's tough on riders, but it's even tougher on married couples, many of whom are being kept apart by new immigration rules. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackadder Posted January 22, 2015 Report Share Posted January 22, 2015 The Swindon Advertiser says that the BSPA are to issue a statement later today. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fromafar Posted January 22, 2015 Report Share Posted January 22, 2015 They may not have changed the criteria, but they've certainly changed the way it is enforced. From April 2008 until the end of March 2013, visas were processed by the inefficient and much-criticised UK Borders Agency. It was a direct result of the authorities being so lax that speedway clubs got lazy, and (some, only some) didn't keep proper employment records. The Conservative coalition disbanded this Agency as from April 1st, 2013 and set up the current UK Visas & Immigration and (separate) Immigration Enforcement agencies. There was a noticeable tightening-up of procedures, culminating in speedway getting handed yesterday's news, and the efficiently-run clubs being grouped in, and punished alongside the less-organised others. One thing not being talked about is the (perhaps-mythical) need for a rider at PL level to achieve a 7-point average. When this was first introduced, CMAs included bonus points. Should there not be a lowering of the barrier, or could bonus points be reintroduced to rolling averages, giving the CMA of a rider involved in a team sport a truer reflection of his worth and abilities? It does look as though the BSPA and the clubs have been caught napping on this matter and taken too much for granted.When you see the immigration situation in this country you have to feel a bit for the riders concerned who technically are not really scrounging of the Goverment unlike others. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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