lewy Posted February 8, 2015 Report Share Posted February 8, 2015 Kyle had numerous offers for 2015 hardly not wanted 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scaramanga Posted February 8, 2015 Report Share Posted February 8, 2015 Â I agree the talent in this Country at the moment is not there, but you have to say why is that, and in my opinion most of it is down to the clubs in the British league, its all of there making, they don't give a toss where the rider comes from, Plymouth included, if they did they would have gave the reserve spot to a British lad, instead of Roland Benko, and most of the supporters would have agreed with it. British riders because they were not guaranteed a place in a team, had to find jobs, when I talked to Kyle Hughes when he was riding for Plymouth, he had a full time job, coming down to Plymouth, its was a second job, now if like most British lads, also have a full time job, asking them to ride full time in the British league, it has to be worth there while doing it, if a rider gets injured during the year, and most do, and has a full time job, and will have to be off work, they will lose money, so I can understand them asking for more than most, but I have to agree that the amount of Aussie riders that the league will lose cannot be replaced wholly by British riders, the blame for that is with the teams in the league. too be honest i dont care too much where the rider comes from i do care that the teams im paying my money to watch are of good enough standard to make it value for money 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coomie Posted February 9, 2015 Report Share Posted February 9, 2015 I don't think so, Kyle Newman was dropped by Somerset, and I think he is the best rider we have signed.wish we still had him! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4thbender Posted February 9, 2015 Report Share Posted February 9, 2015 Â Â Good post and I agree, why have they took so long in doing so, for me because we have let more and more riders from Australia come into the British league, we are in the mess we are now, people have been talking for years that we have to many in it, and its the main reason we see less British riders in Speedway, but now its finally been clamped down on, just a little to late I think, if it had been done a few years ago, maybe not so many British riders would have packed in. Â Â Its a good job India are not into Speedway, British lads would never get a look in. That's rubbish. India ARE into cricket in a big way but haven't taken over English cricket. The Indian players that make the trip to play in English leagues have raised the standard of English players and given us goals to aim for.... just as Aussies have done for speedway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Humphrey Appleby Posted February 9, 2015 Report Share Posted February 9, 2015 That's rubbish. India ARE into cricket in a big way but haven't taken over English cricket. That's because Indian cricketers need visas. An open-door policy was being advocated for Commonwealth riders in speedway. Â Of course, that Indian cricketers can make more money by playing in the IPL for 6 weeks, is probably also a significant factor. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arson fire Posted February 9, 2015 Report Share Posted February 9, 2015 That's rubbish. India ARE into cricket in a big way but haven't taken over English cricket. The Indian players that make the trip to play in English leagues have raised the standard of English players and given us goals to aim for.... just as Aussies have done for speedway.which indian players? and how have they personally raised the standard?... Pure speculation fouthbender. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted February 9, 2015 Report Share Posted February 9, 2015 That's rubbish. India ARE into cricket in a big way but haven't taken over English cricket. The Indian players that make the trip to play in English leagues have raised the standard of English players and given us goals to aim for.... just as Aussies have done for speedway. They need permit, only the top Indian players come over so they do raise the standards. If all British riders aspired to be Mason Camptons standard then British Speedway would be on it's knees. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Blue Posted February 9, 2015 Report Share Posted February 9, 2015 They need permit, only the top Indian players come over so they do raise the standards. If all British riders aspired to be Mason Camptons standard then British Speedway would be on it's knees. Â Â And you don't think British Speedway is on its knees?? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted February 9, 2015 Report Share Posted February 9, 2015 And you don't think British Speedway is on its knees?? Well it's certainly down on one I don't see how letting in the likes of Mason Campton is going to make it better though Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger MARTIN Posted February 9, 2015 Report Share Posted February 9, 2015 (edited) Kyle had numerous offers for 2015 hardly not wanted  Not talking about 2015, talking about last year, when Somerset released him. That's rubbish. India ARE into cricket in a big way but haven't taken over English cricket. The Indian players that make the trip to play in English leagues have raised the standard of English players and given us goals to aim for.... just as Aussies have done for speedway.  When Australian riders first started to come over they didn't seem like they were taking over, go back six or seven years, and see how many were coming over, now look last year in the British league, and see now how many are trying to come over, the likes of Doyle and Ward do raise the standard of the British Speedway league, but riders like Campton, Sedgeman, Poole and Tod Kurtz are just taking up space, at best two of them are reserve standard, and the other two are second string.  The reason you don't see many Indians in County cricket in this country is because they have there own Super league in India. too be honest i dont care too much where the rider comes from i do care that the teams im paying my money to watch are of good enough standard to make it value for money  Fair comment, but don't put all the blame on the league not having enough British on them, they have been rubbished on for years by the league, the reason the league is in a shambles now, is wholly down to the people that run the league. Edited February 9, 2015 by Devildodger Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan_Jones Posted February 9, 2015 Report Share Posted February 9, 2015 For those that think sticking to the currently agreed rules for rider standards is too harsh, here are the criteria that were in force for the 1999 season;  Speedway Criteria 1999 The Department issues work permits to established international riders of the highest standard whose employment will not displace resident/European Economic Area riders and who will make a significant contribution to the development of the sport.  FIRST TIME APPLICATIONS  To qualify for a work permit for the first time the overseas rider must be:  USA The top rider excluding those already in the UK. Australia The top three riders excluding those already in the UK. New Zealand The top rider excluding those already in the UK. Czech Republic The top two riders excluding those already in the UK. Poland The top two riders excluding those already in the UK. Others The National Champion of their country.  RENEWAL APPLICATIONS  Riders returning to the UK for a second season  All new riders will be expected to have gained an average of five (Elite League) and six and-a half (Premier league) in their first year. BSPA will supply OLS* with a list each year detailing each players averages.  Subsequent applications  Where a rider is returning for a subsequent season (third season onwards), the rider, will be expected to have gained an average of five (Elite League) and eight (Premier League) points per meet in the previous season should they wish to gain further permits.  * OLS was the Overseas Labour Service. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebaron Posted February 11, 2015 Report Share Posted February 11, 2015 That would nigh on close British Speedway down today. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted February 11, 2015 Report Share Posted February 11, 2015 That would nigh on close British Speedway down today. Hardly. There were 22 Aussies/Americans due to ride in the UK this year. Cam Woodward is injured so it down to 21. Of that then we're talking only 2 or 4 probably not get permits. If losing 2 or 3 riders is going to close down British speedway it needs help. That or people need to stop blowing things out of proportion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebaron Posted February 11, 2015 Report Share Posted February 11, 2015 Hardly. There were 22 Aussies/Americans due to ride in the UK this year. Cam Woodward is injured so it down to 21. Of that then we're talking only 2 or 4 probably not get permits. If losing 2 or 3 riders is going to close down British speedway it needs help. That or people need to stop blowing things out of proportion. SCB; sincerely like the "need to stop blowing things out of proportion" bit; sure like me all you want is to get back to the racing with EVERYONE we are looking forward to seeing back here and ON TRACK! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OILYRAG Posted February 11, 2015 Report Share Posted February 11, 2015 SCB; sincerely like the "need to stop blowing things out of proportion" bit; sure like me all you want is to get back to the racing with EVERYONE we are looking forward to seeing back here and ON TRACK! If they are legal ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebaron Posted February 14, 2015 Report Share Posted February 14, 2015 (edited) If they are legal ! Come off it Commonwealth Speedway riders can never be termed "illegals" at any level. The rights of a Speedway rider arriving here to risk his life, entertain us, further the sport and himself, earn his living, pay taxes and obey the law trumps the swathes of scumbag spongers, criminal, terroist linked religious fanatics being waved thru at jihadi central aka UK Borders. Edited February 14, 2015 by the outsider 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arson fire Posted February 14, 2015 Report Share Posted February 14, 2015 Come off it Commonwealth Speedway riders can never be termed "illegals" at any level. The rights of a Speedway rider arriving here to risk his life, entertain us, further the sport and himself, deary me... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ruffdiamond Posted February 14, 2015 Report Share Posted February 14, 2015 (edited) can see this 1 going off on a tangent too :-( Edited February 14, 2015 by ruffdiamond Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YAMYAMBANDIT Posted February 14, 2015 Report Share Posted February 14, 2015 Come off it Commonwealth Speedway riders can never be termed "illegals" at any level. The rights of a Speedway rider arriving here to risk his life, entertain us, further the sport and himself, earn his living, pay taxes and obey the law trumps the swathes of scumbag spongers, criminal, terroist linked religious fanatics being waved thru at jihadi central aka UK Borders. Common Wealth, what century are you in, all Migrants from what ever back ground are foreigners, and if a visa is required, then they should all be treated in the same way. On your religious intolerance, it would be a safer world if all religions were banned, it's bad enough having an imaginary friend, without thinking one imaginary friend is better than anothers imaginary friend. Mind we have Fantasy Speedway, so I suppose that is a form of religion. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ruffdiamond Posted February 14, 2015 Report Share Posted February 14, 2015 so where do we start ??? ;-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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