racers and royals Posted February 7, 2015 Report Share Posted February 7, 2015 Is it me or is there an anti Aussie agend simmering here? Look Anzacs & Yanks have been the staple of British Speedway down the years just think for minute about the bigger picture. The real reason some Brits get overlooked is because promoters dont rate them as high. It has been that way down the decades; just consider all the Aussue,NZ and USA legends that you would never have graced our sport if we had been haggling over a bloody entry Visa. It really doesnt bear thinking about the state Speedway might have been in without them and will be if we dont get this sorted.But this is nothing new-in past years I remember an occasion when the season nearly didn`t get underway because British riders didn`t have teams and work permits had been issused. Also when Swedish riders needed work permits Bob Radford threatened to resign his post at Reading when Per jonsson was refused a permit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Humphrey Appleby Posted February 7, 2015 Report Share Posted February 7, 2015 (edited) Also when Swedish riders needed work permits Bob Radford threatened to resign his post at Reading when Per jonsson was refused a permit. But wasn't that over some sillyness between the BSPA and SVEMO over commuting Swedes and air fares or something? Edited February 7, 2015 by Humphrey Appleby Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
racers and royals Posted February 7, 2015 Report Share Posted February 7, 2015 But wasn't that over some sillyness between the BSPA and SVEMO over commuting Swedes and air fares or something?No it was about the work permit-they said he wasn`t good enough !!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ned Kelly 41 Posted February 7, 2015 Report Share Posted February 7, 2015 Despite the wording of Workington's announcement, has Matthew Wethers actually been denied a visa? He's already here, lives in UK, hasn't gone home to race for a decade, he's married to a Scot, has two British children -- what's different between Matthew and Summers, Henry, Doolan, Ricky Wells, Rusty, etc? Â Isn't it the case that when Mason Campton was declined entry and the Comets decided to bring back Rusty, Wethers' CMA just didn't fit? Â Might he not be allowed to race elsewhere -- like the other resident 'foreigners' listed above. Â I mean, they're not going to deport him as an undesirable alien, surely? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ruffdiamond Posted February 7, 2015 Report Share Posted February 7, 2015 Despite the wording of Workington's announcement, has Matthew Wethers actually been denied a visa? He's already here, lives in UK, hasn't gone home to race for a decade, he's married to a Scot, has two British children -- what's different between Matthew and Summers, Henry, Doolan, Ricky Wells, Rusty, etc? Â Isn't it the case that when Mason Campton was declined entry and the Comets decided to bring back Rusty, Wethers' CMA just didn't fit? Â Might he not be allowed to race elsewhere -- like the other resident 'foreigners' listed above. Â I mean, they're not going to deport him as an undesirable alien, surely? Â so, looking at it like that, it means that 1 immigrant Aussie has been declined a visa, it has meant his job can go to another Aussie, who put's another Aussie out of work and allows a young Brit to get a job,,, that seems fair enough, a suppose, it's 50/50 innit ;-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Humphrey Appleby Posted February 7, 2015 Report Share Posted February 7, 2015 Is it me or is there an anti Aussie agend simmering here? I don't think anyone has anything against Australian riders. The issue is that rules have been broken, the spotlight has been turned on the issue of visas, and people are reasonably starting to ask whether there's a genuine need for some of these riders at the expense of British riders. Â Whether they might be replaced by EU riders is irrelevant. The law allows citizens of those countries to work visa-free in the UK, not Australians. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ruffdiamond Posted February 7, 2015 Report Share Posted February 7, 2015 I don't think anyone has anything against Australian riders. The issue is that rules have been broken, the spotlight has been turned on the issue of visas, and people are reasonably starting to ask whether there's a genuine need for some of these riders at the expense of British riders. Â Whether they might be replaced by EU riders is irrelevant. The law allows citizens of those countries to work visa-free in the UK, not Australians. Â has'nt a lot of this to do with the fact that,,, 'an' Australian was brought in a dubious average last year, and the same appeared to nearly happen this year,,, so if there is a problem with visa's and a certain country, where is the most likely place to look to try and correct the issue ??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The White Knight Posted February 7, 2015 Report Share Posted February 7, 2015 I don't think anyone has anything against Australian riders. The issue is that rules have been broken, the spotlight has been turned on the issue of visas, and people are reasonably starting to ask whether there's a genuine need for some of these riders at the expense of British riders. Â Whether they might be replaced by EU riders is irrelevant. The law allows citizens of those countries to work visa-free in the UK, not Australians. Personally - I find it very hard to take, when it seems that we can take in a lot of the dross from around the World. When we are forced to take in a lot of dross from Europe - BUT - we are throwing out Australians and New Zealanders, who to me anyway, are far more loyal friends to this Country than almost anywhere else in the World. We are even blocking Americans with whom we are supposed to have a 'special relationship'. Â The whole thing stinks to high heaven. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Johnson Posted February 7, 2015 Report Share Posted February 7, 2015 So what i read is.. No aussies allowed in the PL only in the EL because the standard of Aussies coming in are rubbish and have no talent? unless that Aussie rides for your team, as stated above..."an australian was brought in on a dubious average last year, and the same appeared to nearly happen this year..",, why is that the riders fault? if the promotion is too blame and flauting the rules then shouldnt the club be held responsible and then told not to get a Visa rider next year? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pirate Nick Posted February 7, 2015 Report Share Posted February 7, 2015 Â has'nt a lot of this to do with the fact that,,, 'an' Australian was brought in a dubious average last year, and the same appeared to nearly happen this year,,, so if there is a problem with visa's and a certain country, where is the most likely place to look to try and correct the issue ??? No it hasnt. As far as I'm aware the Visa people dont care what average a new Aussie comes in on so long as he finished in the top 4 of his State Championship. Its the average he achieves when he's finished the season that counts. In theory the BSPA could bring them in on a 3 if they wanted. If they then get 7+ by the end of the season they can return the following year if not they have to qualify via State Champs or they don't get a visa. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ruffdiamond Posted February 7, 2015 Report Share Posted February 7, 2015 No it hasnt. As far as I'm aware the Visa people dont care what average a new Aussie comes in on so long as he finished in the top 4 of his State Championship. Its the average he achieves when he's finished the season that counts. In theory the BSPA could bring them in on a 3 if they wanted. If they then get 7+ by the end of the season they can return the following year if not they have to qualify via State Champs or they don't get a visa. Â so who decided to put a 7.00 point average into the equation ??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pirate Nick Posted February 7, 2015 Report Share Posted February 7, 2015 Â so who decided to put a 7.00 point average into the equation ??? No idea, but maybe decided at an AGM at some point? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tsunami Posted February 7, 2015 Report Share Posted February 7, 2015 No idea, but maybe decided at an AGM at some point? Was it not stated on here that there was agreement with the UKBA, as was, that Oz riders should be on a 7, and the BSPA proposal to give a 5 instead has lead to some of the current probs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ruffdiamond Posted February 7, 2015 Report Share Posted February 7, 2015 No idea, but maybe decided at an AGM at some point? Â is that 'The Annual General Meeting', where the member's of the 'British Speedway Promoters Association' all meet up to discuss speedway and it's rules and regulation's ??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YAMYAMBANDIT Posted February 7, 2015 Report Share Posted February 7, 2015 Simple!, Promoters tried to cheat the rules, got caught and as a result of their actions, and their actions alone made it much worse for themselves. Don't cheat and you won't have to pay the penalty. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
screm Posted February 7, 2015 Report Share Posted February 7, 2015 Simple!, Promoters tried to cheat the rules, got caught and as a result of their actions, and their actions alone made it much worse for themselves. Don't cheat and you won't have to pay the penalty. Â Your right though I wouldn't go quite as far as cheating, all it needed was for the BSPA to enforce the rules that were there since 2009, that led to clubs becoming lazy with paperwork etc, the new UKVI are making sure the clubs have the applications for sponsors license`s in order, now they need the riders to re-apply for their visas asap, with a bit of luck it should be easier. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ruffdiamond Posted February 7, 2015 Report Share Posted February 7, 2015 Simple!, Promoters tried to cheat the rules, got caught and as a result of their actions, and their actions alone made it much worse for themselves. Don't cheat and you won't have to pay the penalty. Â no,,, just make sure you don't get caught ;-) Â you never know,,, when it all calm's down, speedway 'might' have a better future, from 'villian to hero',,, every cloud n that :-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Najjer Posted February 7, 2015 Report Share Posted February 7, 2015 Simple!, Promoters tried to cheat the rules, got caught and as a result of their actions, and their actions alone made it much worse for themselves. Don't cheat and you won't have to pay the penalty. It was the actions throughout last season and before that, that has caused the problems. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan_Jones Posted February 7, 2015 Report Share Posted February 7, 2015 so who decided to put a 7.00 point average into the equation ??? It was the result of consultation between Work Permits (UK), the forerunner of UKBA and now UKVI, the BSPA and the SCB in January 2006. In previous years the SRA were also involved. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikebaker Posted February 7, 2015 Report Share Posted February 7, 2015 Campton has done a helluva lot better in 2 seasons than riders like Dilger. He has been over here for ages, is absolute pants. Yet he is still allowed to prevent up and coming Brits a team place. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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