What The Visa Issues Could Mean For Teams.

[screm]

It would seem that one or two fans are now coming to realise that clubs, with the active help from BSPA, have been flaunting the rules for seasons now, those affected might want to question their own promotions and ask why.

[Alan_Jones]

It would seem that one or two fans are now coming to realise that clubs, with the active help from BSPA, have been flaunting the rules for seasons now, those affected might want to question their own promotions and ask why.

Why should they? It's everyone else's fault...

[4thbender]

Fourthbender - so just to be clear, you advocate an open door immigration policy for anyone whi has a job to come to?

And fwiw, football clubs do have to abide by immigration criteria over who they can hire, and the criteria are arguably a lot stricter than speedways.

see as an example how it was far from certain that arsenal would get a work permit for paulista.

 

Fourthbender - so just to be clear, you advocate an open door immigration policy for anyone whi has a job to come to?

And fwiw, football clubs do have to abide by immigration criteria over who they can hire, and the criteria are arguably a lot stricter than speedways.

see as an example how it was far from certain that arsenal would get a work permit for paulista.

Provided they come here prepared to abide by the laws of the land, are financially self-sufficient and aim to make a positive contribution to society, people of all nations should be welcomed. It's what made America great.

Fourthbender - so just to be clear, you advocate an open door immigration policy for anyone whi has a job to come to?

And fwiw, football clubs do have to abide by immigration criteria over who they can hire, and the criteria are arguably a lot stricter than speedways.

see as an example how it was far from certain that arsenal would get a work permit for paulista.

 

Fourthbender - so just to be clear, you advocate an open door immigration policy for anyone whi has a job to come to?

And fwiw, football clubs do have to abide by immigration criteria over who they can hire, and the criteria are arguably a lot stricter than speedways.

see as an example how it was far from certain that arsenal would get a work permit for paulista.

Provided they come here prepared to abide by the laws of the land, are financially self-sufficient and aim to make a positive contribution to society, people of all nations should be welcomed. It's what made America great.

[SCB]

Provided they come here prepared to abide by the laws of the land, are financially self-sufficient and aim to make a positive contribution to society, people of all nations should be welcomed. It's what made America great.

But you do realise that if they are doing a job, 1 less Brit has a job and has to claim benefits. So they don't make a positive contribution.

[jenga]

james wrights value has just gone up..lol.

[Humphrey Appleby]

But you do realise that if they are doing a job, 1 less Brit has a job and has to claim benefits. So they don't make a positive contribution.

 

It doesn't entirely work that way. Immigrants sometimes take jobs that would otherwise not be filled, or even created in the first place. They can also contribute to economic growth which in turn creates more jobs.

 

If you eliminated the 22 work permit riders in British speedway, would you create 22 jobs for British riders, or make several teams less attractive to watch with the consequence that some may fold?

[4thbender]

 

It doesn't entirely work that way. Immigrants sometimes take jobs that would otherwise not be filled, or even created in the first place. They can also contribute to economic growth which in turn creates more jobs.

 

If you eliminated the 22 work permit riders in British speedway, would you create 22 jobs for British riders, or make several teams less attractive to watch with the consequence that some may fold?

Congratulations Humphrey - at last I see someone making a sensible argument on this topic.

 

When will the much-maligned speedway community wake up to the fact that there is absolutely no good reason to prevent professional sportsmen coming to the UK to make a valuable and colourful contribution to a sport which is dying on its feet? The 'jobsworths' who make up these stupid and inane rules do so merely to create and maintain well-paid positions for themselves and their elitist colleagues in Whitehall.

 

I've got £5 for the first person who can tell me any REAL justification for excluding citizens of the British Commonwealth from coming to practice their profession on these shores whilst allowing free and unfettered access to anyone and everyone from the so-called European Union (European Dis-union would be a more accurate title)?

[Arson fire]

Congratulations Humphrey - at last I see someone making a sensible argument on this topic.

 

When will the much-maligned speedway community wake up to the fact that there is absolutely no good reason to prevent professional sportsmen coming to the UK to make a valuable and colourful contribution to a sport which is dying on its feet? The 'jobsworths' who make up these stupid and inane rules do so merely to create and maintain well-paid positions for themselves and their elitist colleagues in Whitehall.

 

I've got £5 for the first person who can tell me any REAL justification for excluding citizens of the British Commonwealth from coming to practice their profession on these shores whilst allowing free and unfettered access to anyone and everyone from the so-called European Union (European Dis-union would be a more accurate title)?

Same goes for the Aussies aswell though, they dont hand out free entry willy nilly... No matter who you are.

[Roger MARTIN]

Same goes for the Aussies aswell though, they dont hand out free entry willy nilly... No matter who you are.

 

I think you are right, I have a feeling this is part of the reason we are tightening up the visa laws for anyone outside the EU coming into this Country on a work permit, it could be something to do with Countries like Australia doing the same, and we are going along the same lines, I know with a few of my mates telling me, its not easy getting a work permit when thinking to go to Australia to work.

Edited February 6, 2015 by Devildodger

[arnieg]

Congratulations Humphrey - at last I see someone making a sensible argument on this topic.

 

 

I've got £5 for the first person who can tell me any REAL justification for excluding citizens of the British Commonwealth from coming to practice their profession on these shores ...

Congratulations on your internationalist outlook - but I can see some practical problems (as well as considerable political resistance) to allowing 1.2 billion Indian citizens the right to work and live in the UK

[scaramanga]

Same goes for the Aussies aswell though, they dont hand out free entry willy nilly... No matter who you are.

i must say australia is 1 of the hardest place to actualy up ship and move to

but from a speedway point of view going by some of the brits who have done the winter over there it looks much easier for a brit to ride in aus than a aussie to ride in our speedway series

[ruffdiamond]

does anyone still think this is all 'Somersets' fault ???

as we are all now led to believe that, most club's have been acting 'illegally' for some time now,,,

maybe Somerset had got B Kurtz and J Holder's averages from the DVLA,,, easy mistake to make for some folk, and in doing so have tore open a wound that nobody really cared about,,,

if Speedway way get's run correctly, and within the rules/law, maybe it will have a better future and then 'Somerset' could take all the credit :-)

[Pirate Nick]

does anyone still think this is all 'Somersets' fault ???

as we are all now led to believe that, most club's have been acting 'illegally' for some time now,,,

maybe Somerset had got B Kurtz and J Holder's averages from the DVLA,,, easy mistake to make for some folk, and in doing so have tore open a wound that nobody really cared about,,,

if Speedway way get's run correctly, and within the rules/law, maybe it will have a better future and then 'Somerset' could take all the credit :-)

I'm not so sure that UK Visa are particula

[Arson fire]

i must say australia is 1 of the hardest place to actualy up ship and move to

but from a speedway point of view going by some of the brits who have done the winter over there it looks much easier for a brit to ride in aus than a aussie to ride in our speedway series

what, you mean 4 or 5 a year for the past few years?? Are you sure they were working visa's?? Plus apart from the good hard work of the scholarship, it wasnt plain sailing at all according to some.

 

Nevermind some two bob speedway riders, i know of people and profs of all trades who have had problems or been declined, the criteria was ( not sure if still is) far more demanding than those coming to the UK.

Edited February 6, 2015 by Arson fire

[Humphrey Appleby]

but from a speedway point of view going by some of the brits who have done the winter over there it looks much easier for a brit to ride in aus than a aussie to ride in our speedway series

 

It's comparing apples and oranges.

 

There's not really any professional speedway scene in Australia, so doing a few open meetings for a bit of spending money is unlikely to be depriving an Australian of a job. I therefore suspect something like the equivalent of a UK sports visitor visa is sufficient, as it would be if an Australian came to do a handful of meetings in the UK.

 

If you're a contracted employee doing speedway as a full-time job though, then of course you're potentially taking a job from a UK citizen.

[Lord Skid]

Speedway is run by Del Boy's, only difference is that they drive posher cars, but at least the Reliant Robin wasn't on the knock.

[Humphrey Appleby]

Congratulations on your internationalist outlook - but I can see some practical problems (as well as considerable political resistance) to allowing 1.2 billion Indian citizens the right to work and live in the UK

 

Not to mention the 200 million from Pakistan and 150 million from Bangladesh. In fact, the Commonwealth collectively has 2.4 billion citizens...

[SCB]

 

It doesn't entirely work that way. Immigrants sometimes take jobs that would otherwise not be filled, or even created in the first place. They can also contribute to economic growth which in turn creates more jobs.

 

If you eliminated the 22 work permit riders in British speedway, would you create 22 jobs for British riders, or make several teams less attractive to watch with the consequence that some may fold?

Nobody wants 22 Australians and Americans kicked out. If they're of a reasonable standard they can, and should stay. What is not wanted is for the Aussies, Americans and any other country from sending over there crap and waste of space so they become our problem. We're talking half a dozen (ish) riders who shouldn't be here and cannot be justified.

 

If kicking out Campton, Wethers, Poole and a few others really does make teams "less attractive" then I suggest promoters take a long hard look at their product, it's clearly a little bit rubbish.

[Humphrey Appleby]

If kicking out Campton, Wethers, Poole and a few others really does make teams "less attractive" then I suggest promoters take a long hard look at their product, it's clearly a little bit rubbish.

 

To be honest, given the numbers involved, and the almost zero impact that speedway has on the UK economy, I think it's neither here nor there whether indifferent Aussies (and Kiwis) are riding in Britain or not. What does make me laugh though, is that on the one hand people are clamouring for a crack-down on immigration, yet seem to think that speedway should be allowed to do what it pleases.

[SCB]

 

To be honest, given the numbers involved, and the almost zero impact that speedway has on the UK economy, I think it's neither here nor there whether indifferent Aussies (and Kiwis) are riding in Britain or not. What does make me laugh though, is that on the one hand people are clamouring for a crack-down on immigration, yet seem to think that speedway should be allowed to do what it pleases.

I hate myself for this but, it's the thin end of the wedge. You start letting in rubbish speedway riders, you have to let in rubbish footballers, cricketers, netball players and before you know it, if you can let in a sportsman earning 15k a year then why not a shop assistant or call centre worker too?

 

Personally, if I was in charge, I'd kick all permit/visa riders out of the PL and make it so that NO rider could drop more than a point bellow the assessed figure they joined the league on. It'll force more young Brits up and frankly, 90% of people would know they were watching Matt Wethers, Kozza Smith and Taylor Poole or Adam Ellis, Nathan Greaves and Chris Widman. It would just be different riders.

 

Clubs would soon sign up more young Brits to take up the slack and with their being more team place the numbers game says you have more chance of finding the next Team GB star.

Edited February 6, 2015 by SCB