What The Visa Issues Could Mean For Teams.

[Najjer]

But alex himself in an interview in the star blamed somerset for mucking him about one minute wanting him the next not throught the 13/14 close season which stopped any other club from applying for his visa until it was too late.

Hardly - our team was confirmed in plenty of good time. If we didn't want him then that's tough luck. We went on to nearly win the league without him so that decision was justified as it turns out. No team is any obligation to have to sign anybody. I really like Alex as a rider, especially around the Oak Tree - but he didn't cut it away from home.

 

The failings lie at Plymouths door here - agreeing to sign an Aussie when they don't even have the relevant license to sign work permit riders. Oh dear.

Edited February 5, 2015 by Najjer

[brewer]

Or a club trying to sign aussies on illegal averages two years on the trot.

Edited February 5, 2015 by brewer

[Najjer]

Or a club trying to sign aussies on illegal averages two years on the trot.

And that is relevant because? Failure to have a debate is normally down to failing to have any understanding of the points being made.

 

Brady Kurtz doesn't require a work permit either - just another little bit of info for you there

 

James Holder could be a 3.00 average for all I care, he doesn't meet the criteria which Somerset hoped he would when he was signed only to fail in the State Championships - but again, don't let that get in the way of your pointless arguement.

Edited February 5, 2015 by Najjer

[womble53]

This is wrong, We, Plymouth, tried to sign Alex but was rejected on a tier two visa therefore like Doyle and one other ride (forgot name) we applied to get him in on a tier 5 visa !! This got rejected because NO rider should have been allowed in on a tier 5 visa. And the UKVI held there hands up and aploagised for this error. They only noticed this after they had granted The other 2 riders acces and therefore could not reject/reverse them as they were already signed and done but rejected Alexs because they noticed whilst the paperwork was being sorted between themselves and Plymouth. Maybe had Plymouth worked earlier He would have come over and lecister may never have got Doyle.

 

The BSPA have now hoever appplied to be given a tier 5 visa as a gouverninig body and this should make this hole process alot easier. This in turn will mean clubs will have to apply for tier 5 status for them to grant it to riders. But the first step is for BSPA to get it then the clubs will be allowed it.

I noticed this at the end of the official statment on the SGB website about visas....

 

 

 

This will probably save Poole and Proctor so i should imagine Sheffield will be ok.

 

Firstly it's not wrong at all, Plymouth could not support any riders application at the time, whether it be a Tier 2 or Tier 5, as they did not have a sponsors licence, which was confirmed in the article quoted by IDH. So whoever fed you that line is way off beam.

 

As for the UKVI apologising, I think the current state of affairs shows that the word 'apology' is not in their vocabulary, ask any of the promotions who attended the meeting where their Sponsorship Licences were withdrawn.

 

The use of the word 'We' in your reply is interesting, if it means you are part of, or attached to the promotion, then it's no wonder Speedway is having to deal with it's current predicament. If the use of the word is to indicate that you're a supporter, then you really should take more notice of your own clubs press releases.

Edited February 5, 2015 by womble53

[brewer]

I didn't say anything about brady's need for a permit, I mooted the point that your club have tried two years on the trot to get riders in on illegal averages, jack is correctly on seven and so should of bk. And that alex himself said somerset caused his visa problem, which has potentially caused him problems again depending official clarification of the criteria. At the end of the day I have my opinion you have yours and will in all fairness defend your team.

[Roger MARTIN]

And that is relevant because? Failure to have a debate is normally down to failing to have any understanding of the points being made.

 

Brady Kurtz doesn't require a work permit either - just another little bit of info for you there

 

James Holder could be a 3.00 average for all I care, he doesn't meet the criteria which Somerset hoped he would when he was signed only to fail in the State Championships - but again, don't let that get in the way of your pointless arguement.

 

What and you think Somerset would not have signed Holder on a 3.00 average if they could, I think your argument looks a bit silly there, didn't Holder finish runner up in the under 21 Australian Championship.

Edited February 5, 2015 by Devildodger

[waiheke1]

 

What and you think Somerset would not have signed Holder on a 3.00 average if they could, I think your argument looks a bit silly there, didn't Holder finish runner up in the under 21 Australian Championship.

what does finishing runner up in the aussie u21 champs have to do with being elegible for a visa,

[Najjer]

 

What and you think Somerset would not have signed Holder on a 3.00 average if they could, I think your argument looks a bit silly there, didn't Holder finish runner up in the under 21 Australian Championship.

The under 21 Champs is irrelevant - the PL doesn't run at U21 level and therefore any age restricted competition has no bearing on the PL's requirements. Like I said before, it comes as no coindence that Somerset waited weeks and weeks until the State Championships were over before dropping Holder when it became clear he didn't qualify for a work permit at the moment.

I didn't say anything about brady's need for a permit, I mooted the point that your club have tried two years on the trot to get riders in on illegal averages, jack is correctly on seven and so should of bk. And that alex himself said somerset caused his visa problem, which has potentially caused him problems again depending official clarification of the criteria. At the end of the day I have my opinion you have yours and will in all fairness defend your team.

The whole average scenario, especially concerning Brady, has nothing to do with this debate though. We're debating Holder and Davies.

 

There is no opinion to have, you either chose to read the facts or you chose to ignore them. For what it's worth in reference to your last point, there has been more than one occasion where I have not always agreed with my team, and plenty of times that I have.

[The White Knight]

The OED site suggests that you should use "a hotel" but "an hotel" was the correct form in the 18th and 19th century....Are you much older than you are letting on?

I reckon I must be. :blink:

[waiheke1]

 

What and you think Somerset would not have signed Holder on a 3.00 average if they could, I think your argument looks a bit silly there, didn't Holder finish runner up in the under 21 Australian Championship.

what does finishing runner up in the aussie u21 champs have to do with being elegible for a visa,

[brewer]

The under 21 Champs is irrelevant - the PL doesn't run at U21 level and therefore any age restricted competition has no bearing on the PL's requirements. Like I said before, it comes as no coindence that Somerset waited weeks and weeks until the State Championships were over before dropping Holder when it became clear he didn't qualify for a work permit at the moment.

The whole average scenario, especially concerning Brady, has nothing to do with this debate though. We're debating Holder and Davies.

 

There is no opinion to have, you either chose to read the facts or you chose to ignore them. For what it's worth in reference to your last point, there has been more than one occasion where I have not always agreed with my team, and plenty of times that I have.

The facts that I am taking are Alex's words not from any particular club. Unfortunately what we take as fact is not necessarily the truth. As in history what we take as fact was usually written by the conquers but are not necessarily the truth.

[lucifer sam]

I agree with it being “A hotel” and “An hour”.

 

One has a pronounced “h”; the other doesn’t.

 

I just went to a bog-standard comprehensive.

 

All the best

Rob

 

PS What’s this got to do with the visas? Is grammar part of the application form? If so, TWK seems to have failed, so can we deport him Down Under?

[moorwell]

And that is relevant because? Failure to have a debate is normally down to failing to have any understanding of the points being made.

 

Brady Kurtz doesn't require a work permit either - just another little bit of info for you there

 

James Holder could be a 3.00 average for all I care, he doesn't meet the criteria which Somerset hoped he would when he was signed only to fail in the State Championships - but again, don't let that get in the way of your pointless arguement.

first of all you are making matters worse by spouting untruths about individual riders and the clubs that are supporting them, .Instead of this crusade if you actually asked someone that knew the truth and stopped pretending then you see how silly you look .If anyone wants to know just ask there is no conspiracy here its black and white

[Najjer]

first of all you are making matters worse by spouting untruths about individual riders and the clubs that are supporting them, .Instead of this crusade if you actually asked someone that knew the truth and stopped pretending then you see how silly you look .If anyone wants to know just ask there is no conspiracy here its black and white

 

That's the problem though, it's NOT black and white as you say - hence why two (potentially three if you want to include Nelson into that before the workshop) have already had their visas turned down that we know about for sure since the workshop took place.

Edited February 5, 2015 by Najjer

[SCB]

Interesting about Plymouth never having had a licence and Fishers 3 year visa. Ties in with another rumour. Clubs who were employing riders on the riders parents clubs licence but obviously this is not allowed as it's not the parent club employing them. Fishers 3 year visa means nothing as he changed clubs, he had a 3 year visa for Coventry or Peterborough. Also, I'm guessing the Alex Davies issue come about as they tried to employ him on Somerset licence despite him being on loan to Plymouth who were going to employ him.

 

Of all those riders who DIDNT get visas last year, were any of them due to be employed by their parent club? Was the real issue that they were trying to get them visas by the back door using ANOTHER clubs (thus another companies!) license?

[lewy]

first of all you are making matters worse by spouting untruths about individual riders and the clubs that are supporting them, .Instead of this crusade if you actually asked someone that knew the truth and stopped pretending then you see how silly you look .If anyone wants to know just ask there is no conspiracy here its black and white

Good post mate the powers to be woll decide not najjer but this may come as a shock to him

[TheCookster]

Incorrect :-)

 

The letter h is a consonant. When a word begins with a hard consonant sound you would use 'a', not 'an'.

 

So it is 'a hotel'.

 

If the h is silent, eg with the word 'hour', you would then use 'an'.

 

A hotel.

 

An hour.

 

I went to a Grammar school. I know this stuff!!

Grachan - Your former English teachers will be very disappointed that you attended grammar school and then used an upper case "G" in the word "grammar", which is totally incorrect unless it is the first word of the sentence. ;-)

 

Having not only attended grammar school, but left with an "A" level in English before going on to gain an honours degree in linguistics at university, I can tell you that I really do know this stuff and as I indicated in my earlier post, both "an hotel" and "a hotel" are now perfectly acceptable and grammatically correct.

[Roger MARTIN]

what does finishing runner up in the aussie u21 champs have to do with being elegible for a visa,

 

I never said it did, I didn't say anything in my post about any visa, read it again.

[moorwell]

 

That's the problem though, it's NOT black and white as you say - hence why two (potentially three if you want to include Nelson into that before the workshop) have already had their visas turned down that we know about for sure since the workshop took place.

from our side it is .Things have moved on with the UKVI and we have a good relationship and a good understanding of their issues and they have a good understanding of ours to the point where we are in negotiation's for new criteria that both sides can work with hence the black and white bit. Obviously there is only so much we can tell the fans at the moment but as things stand we are in a better position that we were in 3 month ago .Whilst I can't comment on individual cases if you have a question ask me simples

[Roger MARTIN]

The under 21 Champs is irrelevant - the PL doesn't run at U21 level and therefore any age restricted competition has no bearing on the PL's requirements. Like I said before, it comes as no coindence that Somerset waited weeks and weeks until the State Championships were over before dropping Holder when it became clear he didn't qualify for a work permit at the moment.

The whole average scenario, especially concerning Brady, has nothing to do with this debate though. We're debating Holder and Davies.

 

There is no opinion to have, you either chose to read the facts or you chose to ignore them. For what it's worth in reference to your last point, there has been more than one occasion where I have not always agreed with my team, and plenty of times that I have.

 

If you bother to look at my post, when I said didn't Holder finish runner up in the under 21 Australian Championship, it was a question, or don't you understand that, I didn't say it was anything to do with a requirement for anything.