What The Visa Issues Could Mean For Teams.

[bigcatdiary]

The issue is that some clubs have employers riders incorrectly (so probably, technically, illegally) even where it was possible to employ them correctly at times. They have also allowed riders to double up "illegally" and take guest bookings. There are a number of things that as an employer of a work permit person an employer must do/provide and must clubs have not done that.

It surely would be interesting to know which clubs have failed to fulfill visa obligations and for the authorities to punish them rather than the whole league.

[racers and royals]

It surely would be interesting to know which clubs have failed to fulfill visa obligations and for the authorities to punish them rather than the whole league.

Edinburgh for starters-as they have admitted http://www.edinburghmonarchs.co/news/article.asp?id=1921

[BWitcher]

BWitcher, your stats are impressive.

 

However, I don't quite see what League 2 has to do with it.

 

In terms of level:

Elite League = football's Premiership

Premier League = football's Championship

 

The National League is then at a much lower level, maybe on par with the Blue Square Premier/Conference in football.

 

So, the obvious question is, non-British players in football's Championship? In particular, players on a visa. How many are there?

 

Even then, any comparison is just that... a comparison. As every sport is unique. Some are easy to play, with e.g. just a pair of boots. Others require far more equipment, skill, etc.

 

All the best

Rob

 

As SCB stated, I was merely refuting Tsunami's claim regarding the lower levels of football.

 

I did also offer him a get out option by stating the Championship was an entirely different matter as there are many foreigners in it (although mostly EU). He stuck to his guns and insisted it was work permits in lower leagues than that he was referring too.

 

You seem fully aware of the situation though and I agree with most of what you say... the exception being I don't think it was a case of 'lack of education' as the rules for the permit are pretty clear... more a case of seeing what they could get away with in traditional speedway style

[witches forever]

It's a case of come here and pay into the system ie income tax = you can F*** off,

don't pay, come here to freeload and send money back to your home country = welcome, here's jsa, child benefit, child tax credits and heres a nice hime to keep it all safe in.

This countries immigration system/policy is so f***** up. Just the other day a little 7 yr old British boy was deported to a country he has never know. His mother came over from Nigeria escaping the somebody 8yrs ago had her baby was granted asylum. She registered her baby boy here in Britian thus making him a British citizen accept him into the school system for 5 yrs spending money on his education whilst his mum worked and paid into the system they were described as pillars of the community. So what is the UKBA decision deport her back to Nigeria with here British son, Now surely this is an illegal act by the British government. So as i siad earlier this country is seriously F***** up.

[The White Knight]

I'd like to know what evidence you present in favour that argument. However, once again, illegal immigrants are by definition illegal and don't follow the rules, either by sneaking into the country in the back of a truck or by overstaying after entering the country legitimately.

 

It's very difficult for the authorities to tackle this, in particular the overstayer problem. What they can do though, is ensure that the rules are applied to the prospective immigrants or seasonal workers they do know about, or are you suggesting the rules should simply be ignored for speedway riders?

Well at least they, and other Sportsmen and Women, have a job to do - unlike some of the other ne'er do wells that we are accepting at the moment. You are right when you say that it is difficult for the Authorities but they should be clamping down really hard instead of dancing around the issue trying not to offend anyone.

 

If the Authorities really were getting a grip, I would find the problem with Australian and American Speedway Riders easier to understand.

[Grachan]

It surely would be interesting to know which clubs have failed to fulfill visa obligations and for the authorities to punish them rather than the whole league.

Who is being punished? Nobody is being punished. The whole sport is being told it has to do things properly, and they are offering a "workshop" to educate them.

 

Ineligible riders may find themseves without work permits, but that's not punishment. That's because they are not entitled to one.

 

The maximum penalty for employing illegals is 2 years in prison and a £20,000 fine. Have any club promoters been given that? I haven't heard of any. Just visas put on ice until they sort out the proper way of doing things and do things by the book.

It's a case of come here and pay into the system ie income tax = you can F*** off,

don't pay, come here to freeload and send money back to your home country = welcome, here's jsa, child benefit, child tax credits and heres a nice hime to keep it all safe in.

This countries immigration system/policy is so f***** up. Just the other day a little 7 yr old British boy was deported to a country he has never know. His mother came over from Nigeria escaping the somebody 8yrs ago had her baby was granted asylum. She registered her baby boy here in Britian thus making him a British citizen accept him into the school system for 5 yrs spending money on his education whilst his mum worked and paid into the system they were described as pillars of the community. So what is the UKBA decision deport her back to Nigeria with here British son, Now surely this is an illegal act by the British government. So as i siad earlier this country is seriously F***** up.

I saw a petition about this, and wondered about that. If he is a British citizen he can't be deported, surely. I'm often suspicious of these casess that come to light, as there is often something in them that doesn't quite add up.

Edited January 26, 2015 by grachan

[SCB]

It's a case of come here and pay into the system ie income tax = you can F*** off,

don't pay, come here to freeload and send money back to your home country = welcome, here's jsa, child benefit, child tax credits and heres a nice hime to keep it all safe in.

This countries immigration system/policy is so f***** up. Just the other day a little 7 yr old British boy was deported to a country he has never know. His mother came over from Nigeria escaping the somebody 8yrs ago had her baby was granted asylum. She registered her baby boy here in Britian thus making him a British citizen accept him into the school system for 5 yrs spending money on his education whilst his mum worked and paid into the system they were described as pillars of the community. So what is the UKBA decision deport her back to Nigeria with here British son, Now surely this is an illegal act by the British government. So as i siad earlier this country is seriously F***** up.

Honestly, do people read whats going no before they launch into rants? What makes you think they're "paying into the system"? And so what if they are, Mason Campton has been here 2 years "paying into the system" but while he's "paying in" some British riders have been on the dole. Get rid of Campton and co and the Brits have jobs.

 

All the UKV&I are asking here is that speedway clubs follow the rules that you expect all others to follow. Imagine this was "Mr Wongs Chinese chip shop", would you be having the same rant then? Or is it only because it's a sport you follow? Speedway clubs have been breaking the law FFS!

 

And what about the speedway riders who go home without paying tax? And leaving debts over here? Why do you think some foreigners have a year or two over here and then disappear fro the UK? They owe people (including the tax man) money!

Edited January 26, 2015 by SCB

[YAMYAMBANDIT]

Who is being punished? Nobody is being punished. The whole sport is being told it has to do things properly, and they are offering a "workshop" to educate them.

 

Ineligible riders may find themseves without work permits, but that's not punishment. That's because they are not entitled to one.

 

The maximum penalty for employing illegals is 2 years in prison and a £20,000 fine. Have any club promoters been given that? I haven't heard of any. Just visas put on ice until they sort out the proper way of doing things and do things by the book.

 

I saw a petition about this, and wondered about that. If he is a British citizen he can't be deported, surely. I'm often suspicious of these casess that come to light, as there is often something in them that doesn't quite add up.

YES YES YES.

Honestly, do people read whats going no before they launch into rants? What makes you think they're "paying into the system"? And so what if they are, Mason Campton has been here 2 years "paying into the system" but while he's "paying in" some British riders have been on the dole. Get rid of Campton and co and the Brits have jobs.

 

All the UKV&I are asking here is that speedway clubs follow the rules that you expect all others to follow. Imagine this was "Mr Wongs Chinese chip shop", would you be having the same rant then? Or is it only because it's a sport you follow? Speedway clubs have been breaking the law FFS!

 

And what about the speedway riders who go home without paying tax? And leaving debts over here? Why do you think some foreigners have a year or two over here and then disappear fro the UK? They owe people (including the tax man) money!

SAME YES FOR THIS ASWELL

[Robinh88]

what a shambles...

[YAMYAMBANDIT]

what a shambles...

Only British Promoters can scale these heights of ineptness, world class in this field

[Grachan]

This countries immigration system/policy is so f***** up. Just the other day a little 7 yr old British boy was deported to a country he has never know. His mother came over from Nigeria escaping the somebody 8yrs ago had her baby was granted asylum. She registered her baby boy here in Britian thus making him a British citizen accept him into the school system for 5 yrs spending money on his education whilst his mum worked and paid into the system they were described as pillars of the community. So what is the UKBA decision deport her back to Nigeria with here British son, Now surely this is an illegal act by the British government. So as i siad earlier this country is seriously F***** up.

I've been reading about this case now. You're facts are a bit incorrect.

 

First of all, being born in the UK does not automatically make you a British citizen. This is from the Government website:

 

"British citizenship

 

If you were born in the UK on or after 1 January 1983

 

You don’t automatically get British citizenship if you were born in the UK.

 

If you were born on or after 1 January 1983, you’ll be a British citizen if your mother or father was either:

 

a British citizen when you were born

‘settled’ in the UK when you were born

 

In most cases you’ll be a British citizen if your mother or father was born in the UK or naturalised there at the time of your birth.

 

If you were born before July 2006, your father’s British nationality will normally only pass to you if he was married to your mother at the time of your birth."

 

The boy's mother was told in 2007 she was inelibible to be in the UK. She had the boy after that. He is not a British citizen.

 

She has also been in prison for obtaining false documentation and working illegally. She's been using the appeals system ever since, which prevented her being deported before.

Edited January 26, 2015 by grachan

[The White Knight]

Well at least they, and other Sportsmen and Women, have a job to do - unlike some of the other ne'er do wells that we are accepting at the moment. You are right when you say that it is difficult for the Authorities but they should be clamping down really hard instead of dancing around the issue trying not to offend anyone.

 

If the Authorities really were getting a grip, I would find the problem with Australian and American Speedway Riders easier to understand.

 

 

The boy's mother was told in 2007 she was inelibible to be in the UK. She had the boy after that. He is not a British citizen.

 

She has also been in prison for obtaining false documentation and working illegally. She's been using the appeals system ever since, which prevented her being deported before.

2007 She was told - EIGHT YEARS ago. It beggars belief. I wonder how many more Cases there are like this?

 

This is exactly the sort of thing I meant, in the above Post, when I said the Authorities are pussyfooting around. This woman should be expelled from our Country along with a lot of others of her ilk. I have no problems with Legal Immigrants provided they are of some use to our Society - but - people like this Lady should be put on a boat or a plane and be sent back to wherever.

 

THE SOONER THE BETTER!!!

 

Remember while these people are here - we are paying for them.

[Hoggy]

the spotlight swung onto speedway because of the UKBA being disbanded and the UKVI being created. The BSPA, as the professional body for speedway , were asked to supply certain details of the body to the UKVI to keep their recognition by the government.. The BSPA office failed to reply to the requirement by the REQUIRED date set by the government , in other words they treated the government the same way they interact with everyone else in speedway, that was the start of greater diligence by the men iin sukits

This is absolutely and categorically untrue Godfrey please don't keep repeating it

[YAMYAMBANDIT]

What a nightmare, I am going to take up 'shove h'apenny', thats if I can find any.

[Grachan]

2007 She was told - EIGHT YEARS ago. It beggars belief. I wonder how many more Cases there are like this?

 

This is exactly the sort of thing I meant, in the above Post, when I said the Authorities are pussyfooting around. This woman should be expelled from our Country along with a lot of others of her ilk. I have no problems with Legal Immigrants provided they are of some use to our Society - but - people like this Lady should be put on a boat or a plane and be sent back to wherever.

 

THE SOONER THE BETTER!!!

 

Remember while these people are here - we are paying for them.

She has been.

[The White Knight]

She has been.

I assume you mean sent back.

 

Good!!

[BluPanther]

Visa problems can easily be avoided by adhering to the regulations that cover any application to the country concerned. If you don't qualify or break the terms of that visa and get refused, that's just tough cheese i'm afraid...

[ruffdiamond]

Well at least they, and other Sportsmen and Women, have a job to do - unlike some of the other ne'er do wells that we are accepting at the moment. You are right when you say that it is difficult for the Authorities but they should be clamping down really hard instead of dancing around the issue trying not to offend anyone.

 

If the Authorities really were getting a grip, I would find the problem with Australian and American Speedway Riders easier to understand.

 

maybe they are getting to grip's,,, and doing it in alphabetical order,,,

[The White Knight]

 

maybe they are getting to grip's,,, and doing it in alphabetical order,,,

:blink: I never thought of that RD. :blink:

[A ORLOV]

 

maybe they are getting to grip's,,, and doing it in alphabetical order,,,

 

 

:blink: I never thought of that RD. :blink:

The riders from The Yemen, Zambia and Zimbabwe have no chance this season.

Edited January 26, 2015 by A ORLOV