StevePark Posted January 26, 2015 Report Share Posted January 26, 2015 it will be interesting to see if Arsenal manage to gain a permit for the uncapped Brazillian they are currently persuing. They have gained a Work Permit for the uncapped Paulista http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/30970748 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The White Knight Posted January 26, 2015 Report Share Posted January 26, 2015 They have gained a Work Permit for the uncapped Paulista http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/30970748 Mmmmmmmmmmmmm Dare I say - money talks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grachan Posted January 26, 2015 Report Share Posted January 26, 2015 Mmmmmmmmmmmmm Dare I say - money talks. He's playing in the top league. He'll only be playing for one team. He meets the criteria. Plus football probably doesn't have an issue with visa violations. It's nothing to do with this case. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tsunami Posted January 26, 2015 Report Share Posted January 26, 2015 He's playing in the top league. He'll only be playing for one team. He meets the criteria. Plus football probably doesn't have an issue with visa violations. It's nothing to do with this case. Hmmm. Thought he was supposed to have played in 75% of the games in the last two years to get a work permit. Honestly, do people read whats going no before they launch into rants? What makes you think they're "paying into the system"? And so what if they are, Mason Campton has been here 2 years "paying into the system" but while he's "paying in" some British riders have been on the dole. Get rid of Campton and co and the Brits have jobs. All the UKV&I are asking here is that speedway clubs follow the rules that you expect all others to follow. Imagine this was "Mr Wongs Chinese chip shop", would you be having the same rant then? Or is it only because it's a sport you follow? Speedway clubs have been breaking the law FFS! And what about the speedway riders who go home without paying tax? And leaving debts over here? Why do you think some foreigners have a year or two over here and then disappear fro the UK? They owe people (including the tax man) money! Cough cough. What about your favourite Mr F Smart. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mac101 Posted January 26, 2015 Report Share Posted January 26, 2015 (edited) He's playing in the top league. He'll only be playing for one team. He meets the criteria. Plus football probably doesn't have an issue with visa violations. It's nothing to do with this case. Does that mean the team that signs and owns the riders contract can or should only ride for them and no other team makes the riders contract not worth thye paper it's written on Edited January 26, 2015 by mac101 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waiheke1 Posted January 26, 2015 Report Share Posted January 26, 2015 Hmmm. Thought he was supposed to have played in 75% of the games in the last two years to get a work permit. iirc the 75% is to be entitled to a visa. The work permit is needed because he doesnt fulfil those criteria, and hence approval was not a "given." but required special approval.Again iirc, and going back many years, I believe john cook was granted a work permit for racing in the uk, despite averaging under 5 in his debut season for Hull, when the requirement was 6. Exceptions to the rules can be possible by following the correct processes for such cases. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Humphrey Appleby Posted January 27, 2015 Report Share Posted January 27, 2015 Well at least they, and other Sportsmen and Women, have a job to do - unlike some of the other ne'er do wells that we are accepting at the moment. You are right when you say that it is difficult for the Authorities but they should be clamping down really hard instead of dancing around the issue trying not to offend anyone. 'Clamping down' is much more difficult than you make out, especially if the whereabouts of illegals or those violating the terms of their visas is unknown. What the authorities can do is ensure those riding in front of a few spectators each week follow the rules, and I'm surprised given your stance on 'clamping down' that you're even trying to argue otherwise. The National League is then at a much lower level, maybe on par with the Blue Square Premier/Conference in football. The NL is lower than that as the Conference has some full-time professional teams as far as I'm aware. I'd put the NL somewhere around a Step 5 league like the Hellenic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tapeworm Posted January 27, 2015 Report Share Posted January 27, 2015 It surely would be interesting to know which clubs have failed to fulfill visa obligations and for the authorities to punish them rather than the whole league. Edinburgh for starters-as they have admitted http://www.edinburghmonarchs.co/news/article.asp?id=1921 Perhaps they should be stripped of their title(s) by the BSPA just as Lance Armstrong was by the cycling authorities when he admitted to breaking the rules in his sport ? Maybe the Chairman will place this on the agenda of their next meeting ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
me2 Posted January 27, 2015 Report Share Posted January 27, 2015 Perhaps they should be stripped of their title(s) by the BSPA just as Lance Armstrong was by the cycling authorities when he admitted to breaking the rules in his sport ? Maybe the Chairman will place this on the agenda of their next meeting ? Who made you the judge, jury and executioner? It has to be assumed that to make such a suggestion you have all the facts in front of you, so perhaps you'd like to share them with us, as were just guessing and speculating. Let's wait and see what transpires before getting the burning torches and pitchforks out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tyretrax Posted January 27, 2015 Report Share Posted January 27, 2015 (edited) Perhaps they should be stripped of their title(s) by the BSPA just as Lance Armstrong was by the cycling authorities when he admitted to breaking the rules in his sport ? Maybe the Chairman will place this on the agenda of their next meeting ? Edited January 27, 2015 by tyretrax 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveLyric2 Posted January 27, 2015 Report Share Posted January 27, 2015 The riders from The Yemen, Zambia and Zimbabwe have no chance this season. I'm surprised the USA riders are affected to be honest!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted January 27, 2015 Report Share Posted January 27, 2015 Cough cough. What about your favourite Mr F Smart. Exactly. And Billy Janniro. Two of my favourite riders. Two riders I'd still pay good money to see. But both left debts when they ended their careers and there a string of others who have done exactly the same. Imagine it was a Somalian builder who had done the same? The little Englanders would be calling for bans on all Somalian builders! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger MARTIN Posted January 27, 2015 Report Share Posted January 27, 2015 Does that mean the team that signs and owns the riders contract can or should only ride for them and no other team makes the riders contract not worth thye paper it's written on To me it looks like if a rider has a one, two, or three year visa, he has to stay with that club he has that visa with, to change to another club, during that time, then he has to apply for another visa, pain in the neck, but that's the rules when you apply for one, I cant believe the BSPA's lawyers, and the clubs lawyers didn't understand that, if they didn't then they should be looking for a new one, don't people employ lawyers for that exact reason, knowing matters of the law and like. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YAMYAMBANDIT Posted January 27, 2015 Report Share Posted January 27, 2015 To me it looks like if a rider has a one, two, or three year visa, he has to stay with that club he has that visa with, to change to another club, during that time, then he has to apply for another visa, pain in the neck, but that's the rules when you apply for one, I cant believe the BSPA's lawyers, and the clubs lawyers didn't understand that, if they didn't then they should be looking for a new one, don't people employ lawyers for that exact reason, knowing matters of the law and like. Don't be silly, we are tsalking about the BSPA. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Blobby Posted January 27, 2015 Report Share Posted January 27, 2015 Perhaps they should be stripped of their title(s) by the BSPA just as Lance Armstrong was by the cycling authorities when he admitted to breaking the rules in his sport ? Maybe the Chairman will place this on the agenda of their next meeting ? Away back under what ever bridge it was you came from! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scaramanga Posted January 27, 2015 Report Share Posted January 27, 2015 Don't be silly, we are tsalking about the BSPA. exactly they along with most promotors think they can edit/change and make up rules meeting to meeting Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadders Posted January 27, 2015 Report Share Posted January 27, 2015 Away back under what ever bridge it was you came from!The same one he shares with you 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justgotmecpc Posted January 27, 2015 Report Share Posted January 27, 2015 Berwick- Jake allen Edinburgh- Sam Masters, Justin Sedgmen Glasgow- Nick Morris, Kozza Smith, Ipswich- Cameron Heeps, RohanTungate, Gino Manzares Newcastle- Christian Henry Peterborough- NONE Plymouth- Ryan Fisher, Jack Holder Redcar- Huge Skidmore, Rye House- NONE Scunthorpe- Alex Davies, Ryan Douglas Sheffield- Ty Proctor, Taylor Poole, Somerset- Josh Graczjonek,Brady Kurtz, Workington- Matthew Wethers, Mason Campton, Ricky Wells Aussies-19 Americans-3 All adds up to 22 that are rumored to have been refused a Visa. HOPEFULLY this is all just that a Rumor and they can all come over and compete this coming season. Maybe we could code the riders we think that are allowed to stay here on permantley. If green, means they 7 or over (Potentially allowed to stay according to one poster) Blue will mean allowed (Or we believe they are allowed) Cameron Heeps- Dual Nationality Ricky wells- Visa allows him to stay Brady Kurtz- Dual Nationality Nick Morris- Dual Nationallity I thought ricky wells is classed as a new Zealander ?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whiteliner Posted January 27, 2015 Report Share Posted January 27, 2015 Redcar- Hugh Skidmore,--Dual Nationallity Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikebaker Posted January 27, 2015 Report Share Posted January 27, 2015 Shows the depths that the sport has plummeted to, when Kozza Smith and Rusty Harrison are talked of as riders that would be missed. Desperate times.Kozza Smith is a hell of alot more entertaining than what Savalas Clouting was. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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