daveallan81 Posted January 20, 2015 Report Share Posted January 20, 2015 (edited) As the result of a request in another topic I've compiled the Falcons' heat details for their ill-fated British League soujourn in 1984. As usual there are a number of things that require clarification if anyone can oblige (updated 17/4/15): 10/06 at Eastbourne: Eagles #8 18/06 at Wolverhampton: Exeter #8 (possibly noted in Exeter programme stats?) 23/06 at Halifax Ht 5: reason for Baker's exclusion. Reported as (exc) but he was replaced. 27/07 v Coventry: Bees #8 08/09 at Swindon: Robins #8 1984 saw the introduction of a fabbo new competition designed to bring on the youngsters called the National Junior Knockout Cup. And the Imps (sadly rejecting the opportunity to track as the Exeter Eyasses) went and won the thing. Reporting is sketchy at best - to hope for heat details is perhaps a bit much but I'll take them if you've got them and information that can fill out what I know from Speedway Star and some searching online: Round 1 v Poole: Have full details of 2nd leg at Exeter on 14/07. Confirmed 1st leg date at Poole on 17/06 and result. 1st leg heat details required. Quarter Final v Wimbledon: Both legs confirmed with heat details. Semi-final v Ipswich: Have full details of 1st leg at Exeter on 12/10. Confirmed 2nd leg date at Foxhall 18/10 and result. 2nd leg heat details required. Final v Milton Keynes: Dates and results confirmed, have full details of 2nd leg. 1st leg heat details at MK required. There was a junior 4TT at Reading on Monday 3rd September, other sides were Weymouth and Swindon. Result and scorers now known. Heat 1 reason for Chessell exclusion and Heats 7 & 11 times also required. The finished file will of course be available to all and sundry, it's not just a private project. Edited April 17, 2015 by daveallan81 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Falcon Hammer Posted January 20, 2015 Report Share Posted January 20, 2015 15/06 Devon Pairs Trophy 01 Phil Crump 02 Stefan Deser 03 Andy Campbell 04 Leif Wahlman 05 Ivan Mauger 06 Sean Willmott 07 Neil Evitts 08 Marcus Bisson 09 Michael Coles 10 Steve Bishop 11 Mike Semmonds 12 Frank Andersen 13 Steve Brennan Heat formula: 1 2 12 11 5 6 7 8 9 4 3 10 8 1 5 9 4 7 2 6 11 8 10 3 4 5 1 12 6 11 9 2 3 12 10 7 7 9 11 4 2 3 8 5 7 10 6 1 12 9 4 8 10 2 11 5 1 12 6 3 07/06 at Sheffield - Ex 2mins 23/06 at Halifax Ht 5 Sorry can't clarify Ht 9 Baker, Willmott, Finch, Price 65.7 07/08 at Weymouth (4TT) Have blank programme if this helps! Found another programme for this meeting, only changes are Oxford Team Manager - Bernard Crapper & Swindon Team Manager - Maurice Morley Comments for Ht.1: W, R, B when R fell (1 1/2 hour delay to take off top surface) R, W & B all fell 1st bend in rerun 1-16 Alun Rossiter John Barker Martin Yeates David Biles Res Kevin Price Andy Campbell Frank Andersen Buddy Robinson Sean Willmott Res Mike Semmonds Hans Nielsen Simon Wigg Klaus Lausch Marvyn Cox Res Rob Mather Phil Crump Bo Petersen Ari Koponen Per Sorensen Res Dave Gibbs 17/08 v Reading Exeter #8 Steve Bishop #4 Ivan Mauger #5 r/r for Buddy Robinson 27/08 at Poole Ht 13: Ermolenko 3rd Middleditch 4th Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Falcon Hammer Posted January 20, 2015 Report Share Posted January 20, 2015 Have blank Junior progs: 20-06 at Poole 19-07 at Wimbledon 03-08 v Wimbledon 23-10 at Milton Keynes 03-09 at Reading From statistics in back of programme 30-08 v Wimbledon Coles 8+2, Hussey 11+1, Gibbs 4+2, Brennan 5, Chessell 9+2, Barratt 9+1 [46-32] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daveallan81 Posted January 20, 2015 Author Report Share Posted January 20, 2015 Many thanks. That pairs format looks like the Westernapolis individual format. I hope they at least got the riders correct as that would mean a lot of writing! From the line-up I'm able to deduce the likely format to match the heat results so thanks for that. In the juniors reply you say you have a programme for 3rd August but give details of a match on the 30th. Surely not two matches in a month so I'm guessing the 3rd was rained off/cancelled for some reason and the programme re-issued on the 30th? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wiseguy Posted January 21, 2015 Report Share Posted January 21, 2015 Great Stuff Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Falcon Hammer Posted January 21, 2015 Report Share Posted January 21, 2015 Many thanks. That pairs format looks like the Westernapolis individual format. I hope they at least got the riders correct as that would mean a lot of writing! From the line-up I'm able to deduce the likely format to match the heat results so thanks for that. In the juniors reply you say you have a programme for 3rd August but give details of a match on the 30th. Surely not two matches in a month so I'm guessing the 3rd was rained off/cancelled for some reason and the programme re-issued on the 30th? Guess so, unfortunately not much info in the '84 Exeter progs - Good luck with the project Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wiseguy Posted January 22, 2015 Report Share Posted January 22, 2015 Guess so, unfortunately not much info in the '84 Exeter progs - Good luck with the project The programmes were very thin that year if I remember correct as they were included in the admission price and were mostly ads Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daveallan81 Posted January 22, 2015 Author Report Share Posted January 22, 2015 The programmes were very thin that year if I remember correct as they were included in the admission price and were mostly ads The one copy I have is 16 pages, quite advert heavy particularly the scorecard which is spread accross 4 pages. The programme served as your re-admission ticket so you're correct about it being included in the price. I must say I like the cover. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fatface Posted January 22, 2015 Report Share Posted January 22, 2015 (edited) I must say I like the cover.Like it?! It was the greatest programme cover in speedway history no less! :-) Edited January 22, 2015 by falcace Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wiseguy Posted January 23, 2015 Report Share Posted January 23, 2015 http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/EXETER-SPEEDWAY-PROGRAMMES-1984-16-/371238672994?pt=UK_Sports_Memorabilia_ET&hash=item566f8c9a62 75p for the lot.....bargain Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daveallan81 Posted March 9, 2015 Author Report Share Posted March 9, 2015 Have blank Junior progs: 20-06 at Poole 19-07 at Wimbledon 03-08 v Wimbledon 23-10 at Milton Keynes 03-09 at Reading From statistics in back of programme 30-08 v Wimbledon Coles 8+2, Hussey 11+1, Gibbs 4+2, Brennan 5, Chessell 9+2, Barratt 9+1 [46-32] Thanks to the continued efforts of Tony Lethbridge I'm a tad closer to resolving the Junior KOC conundrums. I now know that the 1st Round, 2nd Leg match between Exeter and Poole was staged on 14th July. Exeter won 43-35. The 1st leg result is shown as Poole winning 41-37 but no date. Falcon Hammer, can you have a look at the Poole programme you have dated for 20th June? Poole staged the Gala Night individual that evening and I find it unlikely that it was a double-header, even more unlikely that they issued 2 programmes. Does the programme offer up any clues? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arnieg Posted March 9, 2015 Report Share Posted March 9, 2015 9/7 RR was for Leif Wahlmann (from filled in prog) 3/9/84 Junior Tournament (from filled in prog - not my writing, may not be 100% accurate, standard 4TT race format) Exeter 30 Mike Semmonds 3 3 3 0 9 Brian Hussey 3 3 3 2 11 Mike Coles 1 3 2 3 9 Steve Brennan 1 0 0 n 1 Alan Theobold 0 0 Swindon 25 David Main 0 3 2 2 7 Mark Gibbs 2 0 2 3 7 Steve Goodwin 1 2 2 1 6 Gary Chessell x* 0 1 2 3 Nick Bates 2 2 Reading 22 Andy Passey 3 0 n 3 6 Trevor Williams 3 2 1 0 6 Paul Hollingsbee 2 2 1 1 6 David Johnson 1 1 f 2 4 Richard Harris 0 0 Weymouth 19 Terry Mussett fx 1 3 1 5 Marcus Bisson 0 2 3 1 6 ? Wiltshire 0 1 0 0 1 Billy Pinder n 1 1 3 5 Phil Ranson 2 2 * tapes or 2 minutes? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daveallan81 Posted March 9, 2015 Author Report Share Posted March 9, 2015 Thanking you. Could you possibly list the heat times if marked? And can you tell me what order the teams rode in (I have it as Read v Wey v Swin v Exeter, I think from the programme cover) and what numbering system they used (was each team #1-5 or was it the 1-4. 5-8 and reserves at 17-20 version?). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Falcon Hammer Posted March 9, 2015 Report Share Posted March 9, 2015 Thanks to the continued efforts of Tony Lethbridge I'm a tad closer to resolving the Junior KOC conundrums. I now know that the 1st Round, 2nd Leg match between Exeter and Poole was staged on 14th July. Exeter won 43-35. The 1st leg result is shown as Poole winning 41-37 but no date. Falcon Hammer, can you have a look at the Poole programme you have dated for 20th June? Poole staged the Gala Night individual that evening and I find it unlikely that it was a double-header, even more unlikely that they issued 2 programmes. Does the programme offer up any clues? Hi Dave Programme dated SUNDAY June 20th! Inside has Here next Wednesday Poole Gala Night 20th June! In 13/06 Poole v Newcastle programme: Next Junior meeting Sunday 17th June 15:30 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arnieg Posted March 9, 2015 Report Share Posted March 9, 2015 Thanking you. Could you possibly list the heat times if marked? And can you tell me what order the teams rode in (I have it as Read v Wey v Swin v Exeter, I think from the programme cover) and what numbering system they used (was each team #1-5 or was it the 1-4. 5-8 and reserves at 17-20 version?). Reading 1-4 in red Weymouth 5-8 in blue Swindon 9-12 in white Exeter 13-16 in Y&B heat times (not complete): 1 65.4 2 64.6 3 66.3 4 63.8 5 65.0 6 65.6 7?? 8 67.3 9 68.7 10 68.1 11 ?? 12 71.8 13 70.9 14 73.8 15 71.1 16 75.9 I'm guessing it rained! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daveallan81 Posted March 10, 2015 Author Report Share Posted March 10, 2015 Thank you both. I can't find any reference to the mystery Wiltshire, he certainly didn't appear in the BJL that season. Anyone recall this junior riders' name? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arnieg Posted March 10, 2015 Report Share Posted March 10, 2015 Thank you both. I can't find any reference to the mystery Wiltshire, he certainly didn't appear in the BJL that season. Anyone recall this junior riders' name? He was a late change written into the programme, so maybe it is a similar name ( e.g. Wilshire) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iris123 Posted March 10, 2015 Report Share Posted March 10, 2015 Dons v Exeter 19.07.1984 Wimbledon 36 -Exeter 40 Wimbledon Jay Pleece 3,1,F,Ex Carl Chalcraft F.x,F, Phil Vance 2,3,2,2,2,3 Paul Hilton 0,1,3,3,3,3 Mike Fitzpatrick F,F.x,Ex Shawn Whiting 2,2,F.x,0,1,0 Exeter Mike Colls dnr Steve Brannan 1,1,2,0,1 Mike Simmonds 3,2,3,3,2 Brian Hussey 1,F.x,1,2,2 Steve Goodwin 2,0,0,1,F.x Gary Chessel 3,3,3,1,1,2 Ht1 Pleece,Goodwin,Hussey,Hilton 63.3 Ht2 Simmonds,Vance,Brennan,Chalcraft F.x 62.6 Ht3 Chessel,Whiting,Pleece,Goodwin (Fitzpatrick (fell) replaced by Whiting) 63.8 Ht4 Chessel,Whiting,Brennan,Chalcraft (fell) 64.1 Ht5 Vance,Simmonds Hilton,Hussey F.x 62.5 Ht6 Chessel,Brennan, Fitzpatrick F.x,Whiting F.x,Pleece (fell + replaced by Whiting) 64.3 Ht7 Simmonds,Vance,Hussey,Whiting 63.0 Ht8 Hilton,Vance,Chessel,Goodwin 61.9 Ht9 Simmonds,Hussey,Whiting,Pleece Ex,Fitzpatrick (Ex + replaced by Whiting) 64.6 Ht10 Hilton,Vance,Chessel,Brennan 62.0 Ht11 Hilton,Chessel,Goodwin,Whiting 62.2 Ht12 Hilton,Simmonds,Brennan (3 riders as Pleece dns) 62.4 Ht13 Vance,Hussey,Goodwin F.x (3 riders as Chalcraft dns) 62.5 Lot of falls and on a couple of occasions another rider came into the heat to replace a fallen rider.Hope that helps Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daveallan81 Posted March 10, 2015 Author Report Share Posted March 10, 2015 He was a late change written into the programme, so maybe it is a similar name ( e.g. Wilshire) Aye that crossed my mind. I'll keep digging see what pops up. Iris123, thanks for those details. Cheeky use of Hilton as a TS in heat 11 when Dons were only 5 points down! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daveallan81 Posted March 11, 2015 Author Report Share Posted March 11, 2015 He was a late change written into the programme, so maybe it is a similar name ( e.g. Wilshire) Following an evenings internet sleuthing I believe this rider to be Geoff Wiltshire who rode out of Weymouth. Better known in grasstrack circles, still riding as recently as 2012, the one confirmed speedway reference is as one of the meeting reserves in a 1982 WCQR at Weymouth. Unless I hear different, Geoff's the man. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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