foamfence Posted January 21, 2015 Report Share Posted January 21, 2015 Get Sir James Dyson on the case...I'm sure he could invent a track dryer!. Ha, yes a massive Dyson on the tractor "It's the cyclonic action you know." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
customhouseregular Posted January 21, 2015 Report Share Posted January 21, 2015 Ha, yes a massive Dyson on the tractor "It's the cyclonic action you know." I was thinking more of a massive 10-second low energy hand dryer, only inverted. Being tongue-in-cheek just in case anyone thinks I've finally gone awol. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghostwalker Posted January 21, 2015 Report Share Posted January 21, 2015 (edited) I fail to see how you could lift so much tarpaulin, even in lengths, if it is WET - it would weigh a TON. For this and for all other reasons mentioned I think it is impractical. I don't know what the answer is but it certainly isn't that. Weight depends how large sections you make. A 10x20m section will be 200m2, the weight of it would be around 120-140KG. 3-4 persons would be able to handle that. Obsviosuly there are also lighter fabrics but the lighter it is the less durable it is, Also a coated fabric, something like this: http://www.jpoks.se/images/produkter/lbc_karlskoga_presenning_w.png, is water resistant. Najjer, a ight weight tarpaulin like this: http://images.biltema.com/PAXToImageService.svc/product/large/2000023235 is indeed light weight but also of poor quality which means that it wouldn't last that long and that it would easily get ripped into pieces. The only team I know of that uses track covers is Elit Vetlanda and here are a picture of their track while covered by Tarpaulins: https://www.facebook.com/elitvetlanda/photos/a.386239436218.165368.355009296218/10152417908896219/ http://www.elitvetlanda.se/nyheter/bildligt-countdown-infor-sapa-gp-challenge/ As I said, a tarpaulin made out 600g/m2 uncoated fabric will last about 5-6 years if deployed extensively during season since the sun light will affect it pretty hard. A coated fabric will last an additional couple of years. Edited January 21, 2015 by Ghostwalker Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starman2006 Posted January 21, 2015 Report Share Posted January 21, 2015 Still very heavy when wet - and after the Meeting - what do you do with them then? It may even be problematical if you leave them on the Centre Green during the Meeting with Rider safety paramount. It might also interfere with vision for the Spectators. How long to you think it would take to get soaking wet Tarpaulin lifted and stored away before the commencement of Racing? In the case of Dog Tracks - how many of those do you think would be happy with loads of Tarpaulin lying about? As I said earlier - too impractical I am afraid. Your talking to me and Tusunami mate. You put them on the centre green and that is where they stay untill you can get VOLUNTEERS to come in unravel them spread them out then fold and roll them properly, which is NOT a 5 minute job. more like 4 plus hrs. And that just on our track !!! That last line is abit hypocritical don't you think after your first one? Anyone would think your thoughts are non practical after taking the pi$$ Get over it will you, listen, it is just not practical... Tarpualin or no Tarpualin. Your making yourself look silly so drop it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Najjer Posted January 21, 2015 Report Share Posted January 21, 2015 Weight depends how large sections you make. A 10x20m section will be 200m2, the weight of it would be around 120-140KG. 3-4 persons would be able to handle that. Obsviosuly there are also lighter fabrics but the lighter it is the less durable it is, Also a coated fabric, something like this: http://www.jpoks.se/images/produkter/lbc_karlskoga_presenning_w.png, is water resistant. Najjer, a ight weight tarpaulin like this: http://images.biltema.com/PAXToImageService.svc/product/large/2000023235 is indeed light weight but also of poor quality which means that it wouldn't last that long and that it would easily get ripped into pieces. The only team I know of that uses track covers is Elit Vetlanda and here are a picture of their track while covered by Tarpaulins: https://www.facebook.com/elitvetlanda/photos/a.386239436218.165368.355009296218/10152417908896219/ http://www.elitvetlanda.se/nyheter/bildligt-countdown-infor-sapa-gp-challenge/ As I said, a tarpaulin made out 600g/m2 uncoated fabric will last about 5-6 years if deployed extensively during season since the sun light will affect it pretty hard. A coated fabric will last an additional couple of years. Excellent post - and something worth bearing in mind with regards the life of certain products/materials especially with large proportions of UV exposure is that they aren't on the track 24/7 - only when they are needed. Get over it will you, listen, it is just not practical... Tarpualin or no Tarpualin. Your making yourself look silly so drop it. Starman everybody, once again expressing his incompetence to have a decent debate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starman2006 Posted January 21, 2015 Report Share Posted January 21, 2015 Excellent post - and something worth bearing in mind with regards the life of certain products/materials especially with large proportions of UV exposure is that they aren't on the track 24/7 - only when they are needed. Starman everybody, once again expressing his incompetence to have a decent debate. Really, and even Tusunami's backing me up. You cannot debate nor see when your wrong. We have somebody like that on our forum. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Najjer Posted January 21, 2015 Report Share Posted January 21, 2015 (edited) Really, and even Tusunami's backing me up. You cannot debate nor see when your wrong. We have somebody like that on our forum. Myself and Tsunami were actually having a decent debate, until you joined in and started contradicting yourself without even realising. Just because I don't agree with Tsunami's viewpoint, or he doesn't agree with mine, doesn't make either of us incorrect. That's the joys of a forum. Edited January 21, 2015 by Najjer 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shale Searcher Posted January 21, 2015 Report Share Posted January 21, 2015 (edited) I wonder if there is a market for a machine that can go round a wet track and blow hot air onto the surface and evaporate the water, while a grader follows behind? Perhaps the grader and hot air blower could be battery powered to save diesel/petrol? I accept it might only work, if the track has time to get the machinery out. This subject is very much an old chestnut and is still to be resolved, if ever! Glyn Taylor built a track dryer, big fans and propane heat, could only really dry out small parts of the track at once, would need a bank of 25 or so to have proper go at it... What about some sort of waterproofing spray? For the track surface, pack it hard and seal it..... Edited January 21, 2015 by Shale Searcher Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray Stadia Posted January 21, 2015 Report Share Posted January 21, 2015 Glyn Taylor built a track dryer, big fans and propane heat, could only really dry out small parts of the track at once, would need a bank of 25 or so to have proper go at it... What about some sort of waterproofing spray? For the track surface, pack it hard and seal it..... And drainage. Probably good drainage would help a lot of tracks and I don't know if that is taken in consideration when they are built? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tsunami Posted January 21, 2015 Report Share Posted January 21, 2015 And drainage. Probably good drainage would help a lot of tracks and I don't know if that is taken in consideration when they are built? Yes they are, but by the nature of the material(shale), drains get blocked. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shale Searcher Posted January 21, 2015 Report Share Posted January 21, 2015 We have fantastic drains, actually to good to an extent....... Clay easily washed out of racing surface.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shale Searcher Posted January 21, 2015 Report Share Posted January 21, 2015 (edited) We have fantastic drains, actually to good to an extent....... Clay easily washed out of racing surface.. We have fantastic drains, actually to good to an extent....... Clay easily washed out of racing surface.. We have fantastic drains, actually to good to an extent....... Clay easily washed out of racing surface.. Bloody hell!!!!!!!!! Edited January 21, 2015 by Shale Searcher Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starman2006 Posted January 21, 2015 Report Share Posted January 21, 2015 Myself and Tsunami were actually having a decent debate, until you joined in and started contradicting yourself without even realising. Just because I don't agree with Tsunami's viewpoint, or he doesn't agree with mine, doesn't make either of us incorrect. That's the joys of a forum. It does, it makes you wrong. But you'l never admit to that... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Najjer Posted January 21, 2015 Report Share Posted January 21, 2015 It does, it makes you wrong. But you'l never admit to that... LOL - you have excelled yourself here! So, you're saying if someone disagrees with someone else, that instantly makes them wrong? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray Stadia Posted January 21, 2015 Report Share Posted January 21, 2015 We have fantastic drains, actually to good to an extent....... Clay easily washed out of racing surface.. We have fantastic drains, actually to good to an extent....... Clay easily washed out of racing surface.. We have fantastic drains, actually to good to an extent....... Clay easily washed out of racing surface.. Bloody hell!!!!!!!!! Is this song in the charts yet? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted January 21, 2015 Report Share Posted January 21, 2015 And drainage. Probably good drainage would help a lot of tracks and I don't know if that is taken in consideration when they are built? Thats a good point. In Tim Stones 10-12 years of running Newport he must have had no more than 1 rain off a season. Anyone at the Welsh Open in '02 (or maybe 03) will remember it pouring down until start time - at which point Tim said he'd get the meeting on but start 1 hour later - by about heat 10 he had dust on his track and was watering the track All morning it had poured down with rain though. The disadvantage was the track was always dusty, it held no water. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starman2006 Posted January 21, 2015 Report Share Posted January 21, 2015 (edited) LOL - you have excelled yourself here! So, you're saying if someone disagrees with someone else, that instantly makes them wrong? No because im right Tsunami backed it up and its got up ya nose.. Yet still you want to make a song and dance about it. So do me a favour, stop jumping on my posts like a sad troll. Edited January 21, 2015 by Starman2006 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shale Searcher Posted January 24, 2015 Report Share Posted January 24, 2015 Does anyone out there think that a racing surface could be protected from rain with a spray-on solution...? If you have the banking, half decent drainage, a well packed surface, why couldn't there be some sort of spray applied protector? It doesn't have to keep ALL the water out, just the bulk of it....... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray Stadia Posted January 25, 2015 Report Share Posted January 25, 2015 Does anyone out there think that a racing surface could be protected from rain with a spray-on solution...? If you have the banking, half decent drainage, a well packed surface, why couldn't there be some sort of spray applied protector? It doesn't have to keep ALL the water out, just the bulk of it....... It would need quite a few gallons of the stuff, but I suppose once mixed in the shale, the job is done. I wonder if it would bind up the shale? Also may make the shale very slippery and may lose it's grip qualities? But there maybe some stuff out there which could offer some real benefit and with good drainage, might be the answer! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The White Knight Posted January 25, 2015 Report Share Posted January 25, 2015 It would need quite a few gallons of the stuff, but I suppose once mixed in the shale, the job is done. I wonder if it would bind up the shale? Also may make the shale very slippery and may lose it's grip qualities? But there maybe some stuff out there which could offer some real benefit and with good drainage, might be the answer! Shale - that's a laugh!! It looks like mud these days. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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