Popular Post Phil The Ace Posted January 15, 2015 Popular Post Report Share Posted January 15, 2015 It says in this weeks speedway star that from this coming season new rules are being introduced about riders "gardening" at the start tapes. Riders are only permitted to prepare the start gate if they're sat astride their bike,any rider dismounting his bike will be excluded. Also another new rule is riders are no longer permitted to return to the pits following a false start. At last some common sense from the SCB. 13 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clambo71 Posted January 15, 2015 Report Share Posted January 15, 2015 It says in this weeks speedway star that from this coming season new rules are being introduced about riders "gardening" at the start tapes. Riders are only permitted to prepare the start gate if they're sat astride their bike,any rider dismounting his bike will be excluded. Also another new rule is riders are no longer permitted to return to the pits following a false start. At last some common sense from the SCB. It says in this weeks speedway star that from this coming season new rules are being introduced about riders "gardening" at the start tapes. Riders are only permitted to prepare the start gate if they're sat astride their bike,any rider dismounting his bike will be excluded. Also another new rule is riders are no longer permitted to return to the pits following a false start. At last some common sense from the SCB. Common sense indeed. But while they were at it why didn't they sort out these silly start rules whereby they handicap fast gaters by calling a unsatisfactory start because a rider entered bend one in the lead. Why do they insist that all four riders should reach the first bend together thereby the cause of so many crashes and restarts. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Jones Posted January 15, 2015 Report Share Posted January 15, 2015 It says in this weeks speedway star that from this coming season new rules are being introduced about riders "gardening" at the start tapes. Riders are only permitted to prepare the start gate if they're sat astride their bike,any rider dismounting his bike will be excluded. Also another new rule is riders are no longer permitted to return to the pits following a false start. At last some common sense from the SCB. Kelvin will be delighted with that news. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattK Posted January 15, 2015 Report Share Posted January 15, 2015 Speedway is saved. Watch the crowds come flooding back. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Smith Posted January 15, 2015 Report Share Posted January 15, 2015 Speedway is saved. Watch the crowds come flooding back. it does help though as it should create a better flow to a meeting but I think they've gone the wrong way about it. with regards to gardening, they just needed GP rules in that riders have to be under starters orders when the 2mins is up & with the false start & returning to the pits. That should still be the choice of the riders but the referee has the responsibility to bang on the 2mins immediately. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
E I Addio Posted January 15, 2015 Report Share Posted January 15, 2015 Common sense indeed. But while they were at it why didn't they sort out these silly start rules whereby they handicap fast gaters by calling a unsatisfactory start because a rider entered bend one in the lead. Why do they insist that all four riders should reach the first bend together thereby the cause of so many crashes and restarts. Here we go again. There is always someone that will complain about imaginary rules that are not in the rule book. There are no "silly start rules" that handicap fast gaters and there is no rule that says they should enter the first vend together. The rule is that there should be an equal start in other words aimed against riders who try to anticipate the referee and gain an advantage. Unfortunately it is sometimes very difficult for the ref to distinguish between what is a good start as opposed to a rider jumping the start and getting away with it, and of course some refs are a bit over zealous in this but that is a refereeing problem not a rules problem. The other side of the coin is that if riders are allowed to get away with it when they jump the start often means a tapes to flag win and the crowd are deprived of a competitive race. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HenryW Posted January 16, 2015 Report Share Posted January 16, 2015 I'm utterly bemused by the "gardening" rule change. Just what exactly is this supposed to achieve? It solves absolutely nothing. As screamer said earlier it would have been far better to follow the example of the gp series and use a 2 minute clock with all riders requiring to be ready to race when this expires. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
INCOGNITO Posted January 16, 2015 Report Share Posted January 16, 2015 It is fine in principal but if a rider gets to the tapes and is waiting for the other three and gets of his bike to garden the start and gets back on his bike before the others have arrived he is excluded. So they return to the pits and a fresh two minutes has to be put on once the substitute has been named. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eric i Posted January 16, 2015 Report Share Posted January 16, 2015 What is the current 2 minute rule? Riders have to be on track in 2 minutes rather than ready to race. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
g13webb Posted January 16, 2015 Report Share Posted January 16, 2015 I for one think its a good step, a positive one to help the meetings flow. After Woffy put on the gardening show at the British Final, it was obvious something had to be done...... 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
INCOGNITO Posted January 16, 2015 Report Share Posted January 16, 2015 What is the current 2 minute rule? Riders have to be on track in 2 minutes rather than ready to race. Riders have to be at the tapes or at least facing the tapes when the two minutes is up and under ppower If they are facing the wrong way or deemed not to be close to the tapes facing the correct way they can be excluded. I for one think its a good step, a positive one to help the meetings flow. After Woffy put on the gardening show at the British Final, it was obvious something had to be done...... Understand that Tai's antics were over the top but what Tai did was not during the two minute warning and between heats so it didn't really hold anything up. What is the problem with a rider being at the tapes early to prepare his starting position. This they can still do but must remain on the bike. The problem was riders gardening after the two minutes has expired and riders going back to the pits after a false start. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
g13webb Posted January 16, 2015 Report Share Posted January 16, 2015 Riders have to be at the tapes or at least facing the tapes when the two minutes is up and under ppower If they are facing the wrong way or deemed not to be close to the tapes facing the correct way they can be excluded. That's word could be interpretated differently. Either you are excluded or not.. I always thought that if the rider was on the track, under power and heading for the start gate, that was deemed sufficient. After all, the fans come to see riders racing, not to be excluded for menial timekeeping....... Understand that Tai's antics were over the top but what Tai did was not during the two minute warning and between heats so it didn't really hold anything up. What is the problem with a rider being at the tapes early to prepare his starting position. This they can still do but must remain on the bike. The problem was riders gardening after the two minutes has expired and riders going back to the pits after a false start. I know how the rule is worded in the SS but what Woffy done, was over and above what can be deemed as fair. I think that instance had a bearing on the wording of the rule and hence, now you can only do the gardening when on the bike. As for the progress of the meeting, I thought it was always at the control of the referee. But some seem to think it's down to the meeting co-ordinator who controls the timing now, as like when SKY are in town....... Either way, I feel the meetings should flow better than they normally do, and any help to do that, has to be a good thing...... 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Midland Red Posted January 16, 2015 Report Share Posted January 16, 2015 Seems logical to me that riders should not be allowed to partake in the preparation of (any part of) the racetrack - they are required to ride to the start line to race and then ride back to the pits As a matter of interest, just how long has the "gardening" at the start been going on for? Somehow I can't recall very much of it in the "good old days" Certainly a 2 minute clock at every meeting would be a good idea, so that everyone knows the exact situation 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lionking Posted January 16, 2015 Report Share Posted January 16, 2015 That is Nicolai Klindt buggered then because he is constantly off his bike " gardening " but he is usually always first to the tapes to allow him time to do it. What annoys me is riders who are making changes/have a problem & are close to missing the 2 minutes so they goto the tapes on a spare bike then deliberately false start so they can gain an extra 2/3 mins for their mechanic to work on the bike . By the time the re-run is due to start they have their no1 bike ready. That is just damn cheating which I've seen many times when i have been in the pits Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
E I Addio Posted January 16, 2015 Report Share Posted January 16, 2015 The SSarticle does say the directive is still at the draft stage so it will be interesting to see how the final wording and interpretation pan out. Two thoughts spring to my mind;~ 1. The power of modern machinery , especially dropping the clutch at such high revs churns the starting gate up much more than in the past so it is reasonable to give the riders some chance to prepare their gates, otherwise some will be coming onto a badly rutted gate position and have no real chance of a decent start. The real issue I think is not so much preparing the gate position but the fact that some riders take liberties in the amount of time they spend doing it, which in turn causes delays and disrupts the flow of the meeting. 2. I don't see any appreciable difference between a rider sitting on his bike preparing the gate position, as opposed to being allowed to dismount but keeping hold of the handlebars with his bike facing the right way. Again, the crucial thing is that it does't unnecessarily delay the flow of the meeting. I do think the rule is basically a good idea but like so many others it's success depends on a bit of common sense in its application. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dump that clutch Posted January 16, 2015 Report Share Posted January 16, 2015 what is this sport coming too... not allowed to dismount to do a bit of gardening.... pathetic, bloody pathetic. The sport is dying a slow painful death IMO and the powers to be come up with this... :rofl: bloody muppetts. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
britmet Posted January 16, 2015 Report Share Posted January 16, 2015 it is reasonable to give the riders some chance to prepare their gates, otherwise some will be coming onto a badly rutted gate position and have no real chance of a decent start. . Not so, - Its the duty of the Starting marshall and his team, - which used to be one per gate, and as the track was racked so was the gate evened out and levelled. Riders are not responsible for track preparation/condition ! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted January 16, 2015 Report Share Posted January 16, 2015 What is the current 2 minute rule? Riders have to be on track in 2 minutes rather than ready to race. I'm sure riders just have to be "on their way to tapes" - that to some could be on track, to others leaving their pit box, while others see at is in their starting bay almost ready to go (see Cov vs Swindon meeting last season!) That is Nicolai Klindt buggered then because he is constantly off his bike " gardening " but he is usually always first to the tapes to allow him time to do it. What annoys me is riders who are making changes/have a problem & are close to missing the 2 minutes so they goto the tapes on a spare bike then deliberately false start so they can gain an extra 2/3 mins for their mechanic to work on the bike . By the time the re-run is due to start they have their no1 bike ready. That is just damn cheating which I've seen many times when i have been in the pits Agreed with a lot of that. Once the green light has come on, the race has started. Bikes should NOT be allowed off the track. You cannot swap bikes either, once you have started the race thats it. If there any sort of delay all the bikes should be parked up by the start line. The referee can with the agreement of the machine examiner (or whoever the tech person in the pits is) allow a rider to enter the pits or swap bikes where an accident was not deemed his fault. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brewer Posted January 16, 2015 Report Share Posted January 16, 2015 I would imagine a short rider may find it more difficult to do it on bike, the problem with the grading can put loose material onto the groove a rider would want to know what he is starting on a filled in groove may be too deep for example. As for the British final, imo the person/s at fault were the referee and meeting coordinator as they allowed the time for it to happen, they could and should of put the 2mw on that would of stopped the farce it became. As for false starts I believe too many races are called back unnecessarily, how many times have we all said why was that called back and I dont mean on tv I mean with the naked eye at a meeting. Most people around a track can aee a clear roller from a rider, the ref has the best view of all, if it's not a clear roller and the tapes dont get touched let it go, I hate this wording " anticipating the start" surely thats part of the sport as in any type of race a racer has to anticipate the start to gain maximum advantage over his/her rivals. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pugwash Posted January 16, 2015 Report Share Posted January 16, 2015 Also another new rule is riders are no longer permitted to return to the pits following a false start. But can go to pit gate where mechs can adjust chain, timing or whatever i.e cause a delay?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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