Woz01 Posted January 22, 2015 Report Share Posted January 22, 2015 Let's be honest even if there isn't enough Brits to cover all the spots then they can look at Danes and Swedes for team places. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeanzi Posted January 22, 2015 Report Share Posted January 22, 2015 Campton has potential. Top scored for Australia in the U21 world team cup with Max Fricke and has scored maximums in the PL. It was a big year for him this year. Consistency is key in speedway. I hope this can get sorted for all the aussies! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
montie Posted January 22, 2015 Report Share Posted January 22, 2015 Spare a thought for the rams and ewes you see in the pastures of this Green and Pleasant land,they are going to have sweaty old summer if its warm!! The sheep shearers of Aus and NZ who arrive here in late spring to bury themselves in wool are also caught up in this Lamb chops will be dear come september and there will be more horse in your favourite donner Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted January 22, 2015 Report Share Posted January 22, 2015 Campton has potential. Top scored for Australia in the U21 world team cup with Max Fricke and has scored maximums in the PL. It was a big year for him this year. Consistency is key in speedway. I hope this can get sorted for all the aussies! So prove that potential, show he's good and then come over. We're not giving out work permit for training, they're meant to be for top class performers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeanzi Posted January 22, 2015 Report Share Posted January 22, 2015 So prove that potential, show he's good and then come over. We're not giving out work permit for training, they're meant to be for top class performers. He was 3rd in the last Aussie champ round last year. He's a young lad trying to make a living. I am sure he hasn't made much money and probably spent a lot trying to become and top performer. Give the guy a break. Takes a lot to go the other side of the world and leave everything behind to chase your dream... 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeanzi Posted January 22, 2015 Report Share Posted January 22, 2015 So prove that potential, show he's good and then come over. We're not giving out work permit for training, they're meant to be for top class performers. He was 3rd in the last Aussie champ round last year. He's a young lad trying to make a living. I am sure he hasn't made much money and probably spent a lot trying to become and top performer. Give the guy a break. Takes a lot to go the other side of the world and leave everything behind to chase your dream... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeanzi Posted January 22, 2015 Report Share Posted January 22, 2015 So prove that potential, show he's good and then come over. We're not giving out work permit for training, they're meant to be for top class performers. He was 3rd in the last Aussie champ round last year. He's a young lad trying to make a living. I am sure he hasn't made much money and probably spent a lot trying to become and top performer. Give the guy a break. Takes a lot to go the other side of the world and leave everything behind to chase your dream... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveLyric2 Posted January 22, 2015 Author Report Share Posted January 22, 2015 Whatever the final outcome of this episode, its going to cost clubs and fans more money. Any replacement EU/British rider required by a club will know he's got the club over a barrel and can name his price!!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWitcher Posted January 22, 2015 Report Share Posted January 22, 2015 He was 3rd in the last Aussie champ round last year. He's a young lad trying to make a living. I am sure he hasn't made much money and probably spent a lot trying to become and top performer. Give the guy a break. Takes a lot to go the other side of the world and leave everything behind to chase your dream... Irrelevant information. Neither is it up to SCB to "Give the guy a break". It's up to the government and the laws they enforce. As for trying to make a living.. is he incapable of any other form of work back home? Whatever the final outcome of this episode, its going to cost clubs and fans more money. Any replacement EU/British rider required by a club will know he's got the club over a barrel and can name his price!!!!! Entirely the promoters fault. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waiheke1 Posted January 22, 2015 Report Share Posted January 22, 2015 Aren't most of the foreign footballers from EU countries?plenty ftom africa, south america and some from north America, asia and australasia. But they all need to fulful visa criteria. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OILYRAG Posted January 22, 2015 Report Share Posted January 22, 2015 He was 3rd in the last Aussie champ round last year. He's a young lad trying to make a living. I am sure he hasn't made much money and probably spent a lot trying to become and top performer. Give the guy a break. Takes a lot to go the other side of the world and leave everything behind to chase your dream... What about the Brits trying to earn a living but can't cos of all the Aussies over here ? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
screm Posted January 22, 2015 Report Share Posted January 22, 2015 He was 3rd in the last Aussie champ round last year. He's a young lad trying to make a living. I am sure he hasn't made much money and probably spent a lot trying to become and top performer. Give the guy a break. Takes a lot to go the other side of the world and leave everything behind to chase your dream... All perfectly true, though its not SCB you have to convince, if that the case Camptons putting forward I think the Border & Immigration people will be harder to convince. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KEITH M Posted January 22, 2015 Report Share Posted January 22, 2015 And all you do is lower the points limit by a point if there are not enough riders. and that will punish teams who are not affected by the visa row putting more riders out of work Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KEITH M Posted January 22, 2015 Report Share Posted January 22, 2015 And all you do is lower the points limit by a point if there are not enough riders. and that will punish teams who are not affected by the visa row putting more riders out of work Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveLyric2 Posted January 22, 2015 Author Report Share Posted January 22, 2015 Irrelevant information. Neither is it up to SCB to "Give the guy a break". It's up to the government and the laws they enforce. As for trying to make a living.. is he incapable of any other form of work back home? Entirely the promoters fault. Don't disagree with that at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikebv Posted January 22, 2015 Report Share Posted January 22, 2015 As far as I'm aware, the criteria for a Non-EU rider to be granted a Governing Board Endorsement (GBE) which is required in order to receive a visa, was set in 2009. As far as I am aware this has never been changed, and this appears to be the case as it appears under the "INFO" tag on the BSPA website. The criteria is as follows: GOVERNING BODY ENDORSEMENT The Governing Body Endorsement (GBE) requirements for non-European Economic Area (EEA) nationals to be employed in British Speedway in 2009 : Any Speedway promotion wishing to employ an individual rider to participate in their team will be required to guarantee that, for the previous season, the rider for whom the application is made has fulfilled one of the following criteria. a) Australia/ New Zealand/ U.S.A. Finished in the first four in the state Championships For the following countries which have professional speedway leagues: Poland, the Czech Republic and Sweden Achieved an average in excess of 6.00 points while competing in:Poland - Extra League and First Division Czech Republic - First Division Sweden - Elite League and First Division c) For riders who have competed, in the previous season, in any country not listed above, the rider must be the current National Champion to be considered eligible. Certificate of Sponsorships are normally approved for the speedway season which runs from 15th March to 31st October or for the contract period which can be for up to four years. Upon expiry of the permission granted by a Certificate of Sponsorship, a rider returning to the U.K. for the new season must have achieved the following averages in the previous U.K. season or have qualified by meeting the requirements of a) or or c) above. Elite League - 4.00 points Premier League - 7.00 points No exceptions or extensions will be granted to riders failing to achieve the averages except in the case of injury, medical evidence of which must be supplied. So how many of those riders awaiting Visas have met this criteria? I fear that there are a number of riders who fall well short of the standard set. Perhaps the workshops that are being organised, are to provide certain officials / promoters with basic English and comprehension skills!!!!!!! Far too deceptively clear and comprehensive.... You can see where so many sponsors could get a bit confused can't you?!!! (Where's the bit at the end that states 'NB. Ignore all the bollox above, this is speedway mate, we just make it up as we go along)!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan_Jones Posted January 22, 2015 Report Share Posted January 22, 2015 This article includes a statement from the Home Office; http://t.co/nw8Eo5L3rA Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
remembertheracers Posted January 22, 2015 Report Share Posted January 22, 2015 Speedway has additional problems - 1) Work permit was granted to a club for an individual. He then goes on to possibly guest or double up, that has always effectively illegal hence the Jason Doyle position last year.. Speedway riders are self employed and there is no employer responsibility to collect national insurance and tax. 2) The BSPA collectively have a soft spot for Australians and in earlier years New Zealanders. Talk of sn election on May 7 is irrelevant. People generally are disenchanted by both Conservative and Labour governments, even more so with the Liberal Democrats. Hence the rise of UKIP, the Greens and for other reasons the Scottish Nationalists and Palid Cyrmru. Chances are it may take three parties to form a coalition government. It was Edward Heath who took us into the EU in 1973 on bad terms. Two years later Harold Wilson called a referendum with slightly improved terms for us and NZ and Margaret Thatcher sharing the vote yes platform. For those who want out as a non EU Norwegian the price for their trade membership only. It costs them almost as much money, they have no vote and have to accept immigrants. No leader of the big three parties has ever wanted to come out. Be real - what chance does speedway have of bucking all of this? Since Sweden, Poland and several other countries joined the EU there are enough riders. Any government of the day We are a very badly run small minority sport. It is up to the BSPA to get the generous criteria right and apply it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arson fire Posted January 22, 2015 Report Share Posted January 22, 2015 People bleating on about not enough brits to fill the gaps, If the national league was set up and left to actually develop young talent, rather than use young lads as speedway slags to keep the EL alive and save money or let teams like Cradley last year take the mick. We dont seem to be about development of good kids, mostly about the here and now... No vision, no loyalty and no help.... A few clubs do training schools,( hats off) but as a sport, and although better these past few years, the development in its youth is shocking to say the least imo. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zlata prilba Posted January 22, 2015 Report Share Posted January 22, 2015 Irrelevant information. Entirely the promoters fault. Exactly they had since October to sort it... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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