Alan_Jones Posted January 22, 2015 Report Share Posted January 22, 2015 The statement is up; http://www.speedwaygb.co/news.php?extend.28207 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Local Boy Posted January 22, 2015 Report Share Posted January 22, 2015 So the issue is quite clearly with the individual clubs concerned (as the employer). Anyone who has a nanoseconds of knowledge on visa rule would know that. Seems like some have been getting it a bit wrong doesn't it? Otherwise they'd be hauling them all in! Any way its been good to read some of the posts where the logic basically boils down to "they are like us; so they should be allowed in"; bad news is that we all originate from Africa so everyone around the world is "like us"; unpalatable for the bigots I know 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fromafar Posted January 22, 2015 Report Share Posted January 22, 2015 The statement is up; http://www.speedwaygb.co/news.php?extend.28207 That was prepared by a Philadelphia Lawyer,very informative!!!!!!! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The White Knight Posted January 22, 2015 Report Share Posted January 22, 2015 The statement is up; http://www.speedwaygb.co/news.php?extend.28207 I guess we must wait and see. I'm VERY impressed with Alex Davies comments. Clears up a lot of the conjecture. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dontforgetthefueltapsbruv Posted January 22, 2015 Report Share Posted January 22, 2015 From the new statements there now seems absolutely no reason why this cant be resolved quite quickly and with little if any disruption to team line ups as currently announced. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Halifaxtiger Posted January 22, 2015 Report Share Posted January 22, 2015 (edited) Why would Heeps require a visa at all? He was introduced at Mildenhall in the NL and it was insisted at the time that he needed no visa and was "British" so eligible for NL teams. If he needs a visa now, why didn't he then and was he ever eligible for NL? The answer is, of course, that he wasn't. He got in as a result of a crooked deal between the BSPA and a number of teams. While some might argue that speedway (or perhaps more accurately, the BSPA) have reaped what they have sown I think that the UK V&I are being unreasonable in taking this action at this point. Would it have been so unthinkable as to insist that they all attend courses in October ? Edited January 22, 2015 by Halifaxtiger 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XTC38L Posted January 22, 2015 Report Share Posted January 22, 2015 From the new statements there now seems absolutely no reason why this cant be resolved quite quickly and with little if any disruption to team line ups as currently announced.unfortunately a government agency is involved and nothing ever get resolved quickly when bureaucracy is involved. Sadly i can see lots of red tape to be cleared. http://www.swindonlinksport.com/2015/01/22/batchelor-hit-by-visa-issues-but-bspa-hopeful-of-resolution/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fromafar Posted January 22, 2015 Report Share Posted January 22, 2015 What a cracking post by Alex Davies makes it very clear now, avoids all the rumour mungering. All that's needed now is the powers that be need to pull there fingers out to get these workshops laid on and attended ASAP so that the paperwork can be processed.Agree 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arnieg Posted January 22, 2015 Report Share Posted January 22, 2015 unfortunately a government agency is involved and nothing ever get resolved quickly when bureaucracy is involved. Sadly i can see lots of red tape to be cleared. http://www.swindonlinksport.com/2015/01/22/batchelor-hit-by-visa-issues-but-bspa-hopeful-of-resolution/ The danger is that the first available workshop will be in August in a disused lavatory behind a sign saying "beware of the leopard" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grachan Posted January 22, 2015 Report Share Posted January 22, 2015 (edited) This may be a new problem for Australians, but it's not so new for speedway. In the past it was always Swedes and Americans that had problems. I remember Jimmy Nilsen and Per Jonsson had a hell of a job getting work permits despite being two genuine World class prospects. It had to be proved that they were capabpe of getting a 6 point average before they were alowed and Swindon had to get the local MP involved in the end. Then there was Americans, who also needed a 6 point average. Shawn McConnell failed to get a work permit after failing to reach that figure, and by all accounts Rick miller only managed to achieve it after a little help from Shawn nd Kelly Moran in his final match aganst Sheffield. It used to be difficult for not EU (or EEC or whatever it was then) riders to get work permits, but that all seemed to fall by the wayside in the 90s. (Possibly in line with Tony Blair's "open door" immigration that everyone complains about now) The danger is that the first available workshop will be in August in a disused lavatory behind a sign saying "beware of the leopard" Isn't that on the back straight at Blunsdon? Edited January 22, 2015 by grachan 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Halifaxtiger Posted January 22, 2015 Report Share Posted January 22, 2015 While some might argue that speedway (or perhaps more accurately, the BSPA) have reaped what they have sown I think that the UK V&I are being unreasonable in taking this action at this point. Just to correct this post....... I am advised that this is a matter between employer and migrant, not the BSPA. Indeed, they have been proactive in trying to sort this issue out. I am further advised that the difficulties are not insurmountable. Fingers crossed, then. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tsunami Posted January 22, 2015 Report Share Posted January 22, 2015 Just to correct this post....... I am advised that this is a matter between employer and migrant, not the BSPA. Indeed, they have been proactive in trying to sort this issue out. I am further advised that the difficulties are not insurmountable. Fingers crossed, then. Pleased about that, but it will not appease the usual suspects who have already he'd their day on this, and other threads. Normal day then. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Star Lady Posted January 22, 2015 Report Share Posted January 22, 2015 Just to correct this post....... I am advised that this is a matter between employer and migrant, not the BSPA. Indeed, they have been proactive in trying to sort this issue out. I am further advised that the difficulties are not insurmountable. Fingers crossed, then. As the employers are the clubs and the clubs belong to the BSPA , to me the BSPA do not get off the hook that easily! 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Islander15 Posted January 22, 2015 Report Share Posted January 22, 2015 (edited) Just to correct this post....... I am advised that this is a matter between employer and migrant, not the BSPA. Indeed, they have been proactive in trying to sort this issue out. I am further advised that the difficulties are not insurmountable. Fingers crossed, then. But it's the men in charge at individual clubs that have made mistakes with paperwork, along with unlawful guest, loan and doubling-up rules, which is the BSPA, as I understood it. Edited January 22, 2015 by Islander15 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Byker Biker Posted January 22, 2015 Report Share Posted January 22, 2015 As the employers are the clubs and the clubs belong to the BSPA , to me the BSPA do not get off the hook that easily! Some of the clubs might belong to UKIP or be Freemasons, you're right let's hang anybody we want to blame Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Humphrey Appleby Posted January 22, 2015 Report Share Posted January 22, 2015 Pleased about that, but it will not appease the usual suspects who have already he'd their day on this, and other threads. I think the complication is speedway is that the points limit means riders move around teams quite often, whereas sponsored visas are linked to single employers. The guest system and riders taking open bookings possibly further complicates matters. A sporting body does have some responsibility to liaise with the authorities, and ensure its members are correctly advised and follow the rules so that complications for everyone don't arise because some don't do things right. I haven't looked at them for a while, but the work permit qualifications used to be an absolute joke, and maybe someone finally cottoned-on to the fact that finishing fourth in Australian State title does not a world class rider make... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted January 22, 2015 Report Share Posted January 22, 2015 A sporting body does have some responsibility to liaise with the authorities, and ensure its members are correctly advised and follow the rules so that complications for everyone don't arise because some don't do things right. I haven't looked at them for a while, but the work permit qualifications used to be an absolute joke, and maybe someone finally cottoned-on to the fact that finishing fourth in Australian State title does not a world class rider make... Riding in the Premier League doesn't make a rider "World class" either. It amazes me that Mason Campton is potentially going to get a 3rd season in the UK and has yet to hit a 5 point PL average. There are Brits who could do what he's doing who don't have a job. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XTC38L Posted January 22, 2015 Report Share Posted January 22, 2015 Riding in the Premier League doesn't make a rider "World class" either. It amazes me that Mason Campton is potentially going to get a 3rd season in the UK and has yet to hit a 5 point PL average. There are Brits who could do what he's doing who don't have a job.name them! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
piston197 Posted January 22, 2015 Report Share Posted January 22, 2015 Here's something substantial; http://scunthorpescorpions.co/?p=2383 Wihilst I think Alex has made a very sensible and adult post , why are the UKV&I applications being processed in Manilla ?? out sourcing a la insurance call centres ?? or maybe it is just in a Manilla envelope somewhere else in the world ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted January 22, 2015 Report Share Posted January 22, 2015 (edited) name them! Adam Ellis. He could do Campton job. Average is 0.01 higher too so is the same standard of rider. Bunyan has an identical average (4.66), Joe Jacobs only half a point lower. Ben Wilson 0.2 higher. So thats 4 rider I have just used to replace one Aussie. Edited January 22, 2015 by SCB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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