SCB Posted February 18, 2015 Report Share Posted February 18, 2015 (edited) So, the rules about assessed averages for new riders in the PL... 18.6.1 Riders new to Premier League racing are categorised as follows:Cat 1: Riders with an “end of the previous season’s published average” in the Polish Ekstraliga or the Swedish Elitserien of above 6.00 points and a Rider subject to a Certificate of Sponsorship Cat 2: Riders with an “end of the previous season’s published average” in the Polish Ekstraliga or Swedish Elitserien of 6.00 and below plus ALL other Riders riding currently in any Professional Speedway League, Cat 3a: Riders not riding in a Professional Speedway League Cat 3b: Commonwealth or USA (to a maximum of 4 each season) Riders new to British Speedway Cat 4: Riders who have ridden in the National Development League as an Amateur 18.6.2 The Assessed MA's for new Riders to the PL racing is: Cat 1 8.00 Cat 2 7.00 Cat 3a 5.00 Cat 3b 7.00 Cat 4 3.00 So if you're American or Australian then you have to come in on a 7 now (highlighted in blue) But it's you're Russian, Argentinian, Brazilian, Chinese or basically any other non-EU national then you come in on a 5 (highlighted in red) Piss ups and breweries spring to mind. Surely 18.6.1 should say, "Cat 3a: EU Riders not riding in a Professional Speedway LeagueCat 3b: Non-EU (to a maximum of 4 each season) Riders new to British Speedway" Edited February 18, 2015 by SCB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grachan Posted February 18, 2015 Report Share Posted February 18, 2015 Yes. Why does it specify Commonwealth and USA when it should be non-EU? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan_Jones Posted February 18, 2015 Report Share Posted February 18, 2015 Yes. Why does it specify Commonwealth and USA when it should be non-EU? Because they brought in that category on, what we now know, was an illegally low average to encourage new Americans. Being the BSPA/SCB, rather than rewrite the rule properly, they've made the minimum of effort in the same way that they failed to deal with the discrepancy in averages from the change of heat format. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Leslie Posted February 18, 2015 Report Share Posted February 18, 2015 But it's you're Russian, Argentinian, Brazilian, Chinese or basically any other non-EU national then you come in on a 5 (highlighted in red) Surely it's basically saying if you're a Russian, Argentine, Brazilian, Chinese or any other non-EU, and you don't fit the criteria for Cat1, then you're not coming here at all as you won't get a permit. However we are making an exception for up to 4 new commonwealth or US riders? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted February 18, 2015 Report Share Posted February 18, 2015 (edited) Surely it's basically saying if you're a Russian, Argentine, Brazilian, Chinese or any other non-EU, and you don't fit the criteria for Cat1, then you're not coming here at all as you won't get a permit. However we are making an exception for up to 4 new commonwealth or US riders? So what happens if a Russian, Argentine, Brazilian, Chinese or any other non-EU national rides in an Aussie state final (which they can do) and finishes top 4. They have a work permit. What is their average? It should be simple. Are you foreign? Yes. Have an 8 point average. Are you British and have raced NL? Yes, have a 3 point average. Edited February 18, 2015 by SCB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ruffdiamond Posted February 18, 2015 Report Share Posted February 18, 2015 it looks to me like,,, the authorities, in the Government and Speedway are both having a hand in promoting one thing they say, they are trying to stamp out, 'discrimmination/racism',,, 1 rule for 1, and 1 rule for another is always gonna create bickering,,, what happened to 'if its good for the goose, its good for the gander' ???,,, a dunno Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dontforgetthefueltapsbruv Posted February 18, 2015 Report Share Posted February 18, 2015 So what happens if a Russian, Argentine, Brazilian, Chinese or any other non-EU national rides in an Aussie state final (which they can do) and finishes top 4. They have a work permit. What is their average? It should be simple. Are you foreign? Yes. Have an 8 point average. Are you British and have raced NL? Yes, have a 3 point average. Id expect the Aussies to plan their state finals a bit differently in future - no more foreigners , potentially limit out of state riders even.They will ensure every one that needs to gets the right position. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ch958 Posted February 18, 2015 Report Share Posted February 18, 2015 "Who wants to ride in Gb next year? Ok you ride there, you ride there- you finish 1st, you 2nd, you 3rd, you 4th alright lads got that?" 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Snackette Posted February 18, 2015 Report Share Posted February 18, 2015 "Who wants to ride in Gb next year? Ok you ride there, you ride there- you finish 1st, you 2nd, you 3rd, you 4th alright lads got that?" The Governing Body Endorsement (GBE) requirements for ............2009 : Any Speedway promotion wishing to employ an individual rider to participate in their team will be required to guarantee that, for the previous season, the rider for whom the application is made has fulfilled one of the following criteria. a) Australia/ New Zealand/ U.S.A. Finished in the first four in the state Championships........ So please explain how this is any different from the rules as have already been applied? What evidence do you have to support your assertion that promoters have acted in this way in the past.....or indeed in the future? I do hope this isn't another example of a rather naive sweeping statement!!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted February 18, 2015 Report Share Posted February 18, 2015 The Tasmanian state final was known as being the last resort for riders. It was basically a state final run for the benefit of the 2 or 3 riders who had failed in other state finals. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dontforgetthefueltapsbruv Posted February 18, 2015 Report Share Posted February 18, 2015 The Tasmanian state final was known as being the last resort for riders. It was basically a state final run for the benefit of the 2 or 3 riders who had failed in other state finals.Dont think it was run this year - still time!!? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ruffdiamond Posted February 18, 2015 Report Share Posted February 18, 2015 failing all of the above,,, if you tell them you've got 'The Kylie Minogue Box Set',,, you might be lucky,,, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mad Potter 2 Posted February 18, 2015 Report Share Posted February 18, 2015 I see at last we have managed to get back to the topic in hand. Just seen that Taylor Poole is one of the first bunch of Assies that have been officially named that his visa has been refused. So the issue with injured riders maybe getting a visa application has now gone out of the window. It will be very interesting how many actually get the nod and how many of them fail to get visa for this season. It may just get harder and harder for them as the years go by. It dosen't look that there is very much that can be done to alter the rulings they are making. Taylor Poole raced as Brit. on a 3 point average for Mildenhall in 2009. Why does he need sponsorship & visa now when he was British then. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The White Knight Posted February 18, 2015 Report Share Posted February 18, 2015 (edited) Taylor Poole raced as Brit. on a 3 point average for Mildenhall in 2009. Why does he need sponsorship & visa now when he was British then. Seems like a good question to me. I like Taylor Poole I think he is an exciting Rider. Edited February 18, 2015 by The White Knight 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waiheke1 Posted February 18, 2015 Report Share Posted February 18, 2015 The Governing Body Endorsement (GBE) requirements for ............2009 : Any Speedway promotion wishing to employ an individual rider to participate in their team will be required to guarantee that, for the previous season, the rider for whom the application is made has fulfilled one of the following criteria. a) Australia/ New Zealand/ U.S.A. Finished in the first four in the state Championships........ So please explain how this is any different from the rules as have already been applied? What evidence do you have to support your assertion that promoters have acted in this way in the past.....or indeed in the future? I do hope this isn't another example of a rather naive sweeping statement!!!!! wonder what the nz state champs are? North and south island? Or if they are provinicial champs, being our closest thing to states (not that we have such champs to my knowledge). But id say the standard to come top 4 in manawatu or northland may not be too high! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ch958 Posted February 19, 2015 Report Share Posted February 19, 2015 The Governing Body Endorsement (GBE) requirements for ............2009 : Any Speedway promotion wishing to employ an individual rider to participate in their team will be required to guarantee that, for the previous season, the rider for whom the application is made has fulfilled one of the following criteria. a) Australia/ New Zealand/ U.S.A. Finished in the first four in the state Championships........ So please explain how this is any different from the rules as have already been applied? What evidence do you have to support your assertion that promoters have acted in this way in the past.....or indeed in the future? I do hope this isn't another example of a rather naive sweeping statement!!!!! it was a joke go away 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Snackette Posted February 19, 2015 Report Share Posted February 19, 2015 it was a joke........ If it was.....dont give up the day job!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ch958 Posted February 19, 2015 Report Share Posted February 19, 2015 If it was.....dont give up the day job!!!! seriously go away Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Leslie Posted February 19, 2015 Report Share Posted February 19, 2015 failing all of the above,,, if you tell them you've got 'The Kylie Minogue Box Set',,, you might be lucky,,, .....lucky...lucky...lucky..... So what happens if a Russian, Argentine, Brazilian, Chinese or any other non-EU national rides in an Aussie state final (which they can do) and finishes top 4. They have a work permit. What is their average? Doesn't it say an Aussie/NZ/USA rider has to finish in the top 4 of a state championship? A Russian, Argentine, Brazilian, Chinese would have to be their national champion. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan_Jones Posted February 19, 2015 Report Share Posted February 19, 2015 (edited) .....lucky...lucky...lucky..... Doesn't it say an Aussie/NZ/USA rider has to finish in the top 4 of a state championship? A Russian, Argentine, Brazilian, Chinese would have to be their national champion. No, it just list the countries & qualifying criteria for each one & then says that anyone not racing in those countries has to be their national champion. Bear in mind that the rules were made on the advice of the SCB/BSPA so they're never going to provide the complete answer. Edited February 19, 2015 by Alan_Jones Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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