Tsunami Posted February 6, 2015 Report Share Posted February 6, 2015 Of course the Poles made a major contribution to the Allied effort, notably in the Battle of Britain and the field of cryptography - so not sure how far that line of reasoning takes you. I am sure you understood who I was including, and excluding. I do understand what you's say, but in today's society find it might not be very 'PC',,, I am not responsible for today's political climate, but we are all in it :-) Sod PC. We have natural bonds with some folks, for very good reasons. We have no say at the moment who can join us from the EU. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ruffdiamond Posted February 6, 2015 Report Share Posted February 6, 2015 I am sure you understood who I was including, and excluding. Sod PC. We have natural bonds with some folks, for very good reasons. We have no say at the moment who can join us from the EU. Maybe we need to back a political party that would put our interests first, my vote alone probably wouldn't be enough to swing it tho :-( 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Humphrey Appleby Posted February 7, 2015 Report Share Posted February 7, 2015 (edited) Totally agree, and we have fought alongside 'our own folk' during world wars. That is a natural bond, unlike some of the liaisons we are contracted to with Eastern Europe's new countries for example.The UK has a long historical association with the Dutch, Belgians, Germans, Poles and Baltic countries.. even the Russians. We've also long been involved with Greece and Balkans, but the vast majority of people in the modern era have no idea about our extensive engagement with Europe in the past. We even ruled parts of what's now Germany, Greece (which is why cricket is played in Corfu) and Spain, quite aside from Malta and Cyprus which most people know about. Quite aside from all the free Polish and Czech forces (not to mention from other occupied European countries) who fought with the Allies in WW2, has no-one ever heard of the British German Legion in the 19th century? The Germans often fought on our side (usually against the French) in the past. We have no say at the moment who can join us from the EU.The World has moved on. There's a lot more engagement with Europe through trade and business links nowadays, people holiday there much more, and there's also increasing family connections. Commonwealth countries are evolving in a different direction, and whilst we do have language, family connections and sport in common, they're quite reasonably looking more to their own regions nowadays. Edited February 7, 2015 by Humphrey Appleby 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ruffdiamond Posted February 7, 2015 Report Share Posted February 7, 2015 would people from The Falklands be ok for a 'visa' ??? ;-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iris123 Posted February 7, 2015 Report Share Posted February 7, 2015 (edited) I am sure you understood who I was including, and excluding. Sod PC. We have natural bonds with some folks, for very good reasons. We have no say at the moment who can join us from the EU. England fought long and hard against Scotland,Ireland and France.Countries that have a 'natural bond'(although most wouldn't like to include France of course )with England.We have a natural bond with Scandinavian and German people that goes way back before America and Australia were 'discovered'.There has been a centuries old bond with Poland,i think especially with Scotland.Think in one or two cities(Gdansk/Danzig might have been one) there was a large Scottish population and Wasio Wedrowniczek is a polish translation of Scottish wandering johnnie the scots who were wandering around the country trying to do business with the locals.Many people stayed and their names were made more polish.Not sure on this but maybe that is where Tusk gets a Christian name like Donald from.Couple of the last original William Wallace documents were asking for a trade agreement with the Hanseatic League Edited February 7, 2015 by iris123 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Humphrey Appleby Posted February 7, 2015 Report Share Posted February 7, 2015 would people from The Falklands be ok for a 'visa' ??? ;-) They're now British citizens, although scandalously were stripped of it just before the Falklands War which was one of the things that encouraged Argentina to invade. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ruffdiamond Posted February 7, 2015 Report Share Posted February 7, 2015 They're now British citizens, although scandalously were stripped of it just before the Falklands War which was one of the things that encouraged Argentina to invade. do you know if they have any speedway riders there ??? England fought long and hard against Scotland,Ireland and France.Countries that have a 'natural bond'(although most wouldn't like to include France of course )with England.We have a natural bond with Scandinavian and German people that goes way back before America and Australia were 'discovered'.There has been a centuries old bond with Poland,i think especially with Scotland.Think in one or two cities(Gdansk/Danzig might have been one) there was a large Scottish population and Wasio Wedrowniczek is a polish translation of Scottish wandering johnnie the scots who were wandering around the country trying to do business with the locals.Many people stayed and their names were made more polish.Not sure on this but maybe that is where Tusk gets a Christian name like Donald from did they have any trouble getting their visa/work permit's ??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iris123 Posted February 7, 2015 Report Share Posted February 7, 2015 did they have any trouble getting their visa/work permit's ??? Doubt it.But the thought of Scots wandering around Europe might be the reason why stringent restrictions were later brought into being 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ruffdiamond Posted February 7, 2015 Report Share Posted February 7, 2015 Doubt it.But the thought of Scots wandering around Europe might be the reason why stringent restrictions were later brought into being you have got a point :-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tsunami Posted February 7, 2015 Report Share Posted February 7, 2015 (edited) Totally agree, and we have fought alongside 'our own folk' during world wars. That is a natural bond, unlike some of the liaisons we are contracted to with Eastern Europe's new countries for example. HA, Iris and arnieg Of course it would help if you all read what I said above. Give you a clue, one begins with a B and the other one begins with R. No one, except the EU to increase their empire, really wants them. But thanks for all the history lessons that I didn't need. Edited February 7, 2015 by Tsunami Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ruffdiamond Posted February 7, 2015 Report Share Posted February 7, 2015 Bugga Roff ???,,, how many letter's 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tsunami Posted February 7, 2015 Report Share Posted February 7, 2015 Bugga Roff ???,,, how many letter's Try Bulgaria and Romania. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ruffdiamond Posted February 7, 2015 Report Share Posted February 7, 2015 a nearly said that :-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Humphrey Appleby Posted February 7, 2015 Report Share Posted February 7, 2015 (edited) Of course it would help if you all read what I said above. Give you a clue, one begins with a B and the other one begins with R. No one, except the EU to increase their empire, really wants them.My mistake. There was me thinking Eastern Europe comprised a number of countries rather than just that maligned pair, not to mention they're actually in South-East Europe and hardly new. Remind me as well - how many Bulgarians and Romanians are riding in Britain and taking team places from our gallant lads and Antipodean comrades-in-arms? Edited February 7, 2015 by Humphrey Appleby Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The White Knight Posted February 7, 2015 Report Share Posted February 7, 2015 My mistake. There was me thinking Eastern Europe comprised a number of countries rather than just that maligned pair, not to mention they're actually in South-East Europe and hardly new. Remind me as well - how many Bulgarians and Romanians are riding in Britain and taking team places from our gallant lads and Antipodean comrades-in-arms? Those much "maligned pair" as you put it bring absolutely nothing of worth to this Country at all. Unless, of course, you consider Begging, Pickpocketing, Busking and collecting Benefits as being 'useful'. Further down the line I expect those two Countries to end up like Greece. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ruffdiamond Posted February 7, 2015 Report Share Posted February 7, 2015 does'nt 1 of them have link's with them little people from Wimbledon Common ??? I'm sure no Brit's have ever taken part in begging, pickpocketing and claiming benefits,,, they've made a hit TV show about it,,, and Greece is skint, but they invented the 'Olympics', it is home of the 'Gods' and is still a nice place, and they have lovely people there, well, they did when I was on holiday :-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Humphrey Appleby Posted February 7, 2015 Report Share Posted February 7, 2015 Those much "maligned pair" as you put it bring absolutely nothing of worth to this Country at all. Unless, of course, you consider Begging, Pickpocketing, Busking and collecting Benefits as being 'useful You believe far too much what you read in the papers, and I frankly think you're confusing Romanians and Romanis. I've worked with and known a number of Romanians in both the UK and elsewhere, and without exception found them to thoroughly decent, honest and hardworking people. Their country was ruined by a bizarre form of Communism, which was promoted by a dictator who was a darling of the west for far too long, but go out to the Romanian countryside and you'll see people doing long hard shifts in the fields, the likes of which would be unthinkable for us in the UK. Bulgarians I'm admittedly less fond of on the whole, but the UK is not a favoured destination for them anyway. Further down the line I expect those two Countries to end up like Greece. Richer than they are now then, with a vibrant tourist industry? I'm sure they'll settle for that. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The White Knight Posted February 7, 2015 Report Share Posted February 7, 2015 does'nt 1 of them have link's with them little people from Wimbledon Common ??? I'm sure no Brit's have ever taken part in begging, pickpocketing and claiming benefits,,, they've made a hit TV show about it,,, and Greece is skint, but they invented the 'Olympics', it is home of the 'Gods' and is still a nice place, and they have lovely people there, well, they did when I was on holiday :-) Yes they do. My point is that we don't need any more of that type of person, we have enough of our own. I am sure there are a lot of very nice people in those two Countries - but crucially - will they be the ones who come here. From what I observe in our Towns and Cities - I somehow doubt it. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ruffdiamond Posted February 7, 2015 Report Share Posted February 7, 2015 Yes they do. My point is that we don't need any more of that type of person, we have enough of our own. I am sure there are a lot of very nice people in those two Countries - but crucially - will they be the ones who come here. From what I observe in our Towns and Cities - I somehow doubt it. I see your point,,, but if the public want a clamp down on immigration, they need to see that something is being done,,, wether everyone likes it or not.. who is responsible for who, or who not should be allowed to come in ???... its not me or you, it's the people authorised in that position, and I'm sure that if all the right paperwork or forms have been completed, things will be fine,,, unfortunately, it seems that this has'nt been getting done, so something is now being done,,, and as far as all these beggars and pilferers are concerned,,, quite a few off them have probably alluded the authorities and possibly sneaked in when everyone has been asleep,,, maybe thats what speedway riders should do, a mean, no-one would know who they are, as long as they kept their helmets on,,, :-) 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The White Knight Posted February 7, 2015 Report Share Posted February 7, 2015 I see your point,,, but if the public want a clamp down on immigration, they need to see that something is being done,,, wether everyone likes it or not.. who is responsible for who, or who not should be allowed to come in ???... its not me or you, it's the people authorised in that position, and I'm sure that if all the right paperwork or forms have been completed, things will be fine,,, unfortunately, it seems that this has'nt been getting done, so something is now being done,,, and as far as all these beggars and pilferers are concerned,,, quite a few off them have probably alluded the authorities and possibly sneaked in when everyone has been asleep,,, maybe thats what speedway riders should do, a mean, no-one would know who they are, as long as they kept their helmets on,,, :-) Nice one RD. :rofl: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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