dontforgetthefueltapsbruv Posted February 4, 2015 Report Share Posted February 4, 2015 (edited) Apparently Doolan doesn't need a visa. Nor does Heeps and he is WA state champ anyway. If you are looking for something to put Speedways woes into perspective then look out in the news for a story concerning Brian Crane. A former US military sargeant and lately a civillian security consultant at Lakenheath airbase. So no question of character or skills. He faces possible depotation following inadvertently missing his visa renewal date and despite having a British family. On discovery of his error he had to resign on the spot leaving his family with little income and they are likely to have to sell their home if he is deported. Ironically they then face equally difficult issues if looking to obtain US visas if they are to follow him. Edited February 4, 2015 by dontforgetthefueltapsbruv Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weatherwatcher Posted February 4, 2015 Report Share Posted February 4, 2015 The whole Visa situation is like a wasps nest. It has now been disturbed and the wasps seem to be getting very angry. I am sure that in most cases thaings could be made so much simpler. They seem to be making problems where there are none in the first place. The guy in the Army is just a case of doing something or just forgetting to do it can case a major disrubtion to a families life, this is beurocrocy just gone to far. I can't waIit to see the outcome of the visa situation with the speedway riders and who comes out squecky clean at the end of it. Plus I hope that they show some common sense with that soldier, as it may just destry his family, but I don't think they have hearts, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
screm Posted February 4, 2015 Report Share Posted February 4, 2015 The whole Visa situation is like a wasps nest. It has now been disturbed and the wasps seem to be getting very angry. I am sure that in most cases thaings could be made so much simpler. They seem to be making problems where there are none in the first place. The guy in the Army is just a case of doing something or just forgetting to do it can case a major disrubtion to a families life, this is beurocrocy just gone to far. I can't waIit to see the outcome of the visa situation with the speedway riders and who comes out squecky clean at the end of it. Plus I hope that they show some common sense with that soldier, as it may just destry his family, but I don't think they have hearts, Using the links that have been kindly posted on here, if the BSPA stick to that then we should all be clear. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waiheke1 Posted February 4, 2015 Report Share Posted February 4, 2015 Different case but when I was temporarily relocated to Italy for work I was allowed to claim back my additional accommodation costs, I would have presumed you could argue that all European accommodation costs are allowable when you are primarily based in Australia? Even if not I doubt many speedway riders would end up paying much if any UK tax. I doubt aussie speedway riders could claim they are primarily based in australia when the uk speedway season runs for half the year? And they are not riding professionally in Australia? I know in australia foreign workers could claim accomodation as tax deductible for the first two years, but that was stopped a few years bsck. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Humphrey Appleby Posted February 4, 2015 Report Share Posted February 4, 2015 (edited) A former US military sargeant and lately a civillian security consultant at Lakenheath airbase. So no question of character or skills. He faces possible depotation following inadvertently missing his visa renewal date and despite having a British family. I find there's often more to these stories than meet the eye, because renewing your visa is not something that's easy to forget, especially if the consequences are so dire. In the case of Brian Crane, he seems to have 'forgotten' for the last two years, and given that he's been in the UK since 2000, why does he not have permanent residency or even citizenship by now? The public though, is getting what it wants - the government 'getting tough' on immigration. There's human stories behind most immigrants, so why should exceptions be made for former US sergeants and speedway riders. Where do you start drawing the line? Edited February 4, 2015 by Humphrey Appleby 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ruffdiamond Posted February 5, 2015 Report Share Posted February 5, 2015 I find there's often more to these stories than meet the eye, because renewing your visa is not something that's easy to forget, especially if the consequences are so dire. In the case of Brian Crane, he seems to have 'forgotten' for the last two years, and given that he's been in the UK since 2000, why does he not have permanent residency or even citizenship by now?The public though, is getting what it wants - the government 'getting tough' on immigration. There's human stories behind most immigrants, so why should exceptions be made for former US sergeants and speedway riders. Where do you start drawing the line? Maybe, he has been a victim of 'repeated concussion',,, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dontforgetthefueltapsbruv Posted February 5, 2015 Report Share Posted February 5, 2015 I find there's often more to these stories than meet the eye, because renewing your visa is not something that's easy to forget, especially if the consequences are so dire. In the case of Brian Crane, he seems to have 'forgotten' for the last two years, and given that he's been in the UK since 2000, why does he not have permanent residency or even citizenship by now? The public though, is getting what it wants - the government 'getting tough' on immigration. There's human stories behind most immigrants, so why should exceptions be made for former US sergeants and speedway riders. Where do you start drawing the line? Dont disagree with any of that per se.I only picked up a short radio interview which of course was all one side (his) Ultimately it is the responsibilty of the individual (or club in Speedway) to ensure they follow the correct protocols or risk repercussions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jim the whipper Posted February 5, 2015 Report Share Posted February 5, 2015 I find there's often more to these stories than meet the eye, because renewing your visa is not something that's easy to forget, especially if the consequences are so dire. In the case of Brian Crane, he seems to have 'forgotten' for the last two years, and given that he's been in the UK since 2000, why does he not have permanent residency or even citizenship by now? The public though, is getting what it wants - the government 'getting tough' on immigration. There's human stories behind most immigrants, so why should exceptions be made for former US sergeants and speedway riders. Where do you start drawing the line? This member odf the public is defintitley getting what he wants .. next up . thieving eastern block scum Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brewer Posted February 5, 2015 Report Share Posted February 5, 2015 (edited) What could be interesting will be if the yanks run some state titles and how the aussies run there's at the moment its a free for all as has been shown this year with riders racing in as many as they like, will the western Australia title become popular for riders to travel to now or will the aussies decide you can only race your own state thus potentially maximising the amount of riders especially if they omit riders that will already qualify via averages also new Zealand has state titles I believe so who is eligible and who is worth taking on a bit like WA where only heeps is worth a punt on. Edited February 5, 2015 by brewer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebaron Posted February 5, 2015 Report Share Posted February 5, 2015 So length of residency, marriage etc doesn't come into it, when it comes to averages, do they include bonus points or are the rolling averages on the BSPA site the ones to go with, for example Kevin Doolan finished last year on a 6-93 rolling average, so he could be in bother. Plainly ridiculous Dooley Man must nigh on be classed permanent UK resident! he's been riding over here for a least a decade surely. What the hell does he need to prove?. Also his average 6.93 so its not 7.00. For 0.07 of point and he's shown the door for Christ's sake. This is just becoming nasty. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dontforgetthefueltapsbruv Posted February 5, 2015 Report Share Posted February 5, 2015 Plainly ridiculous Dooley Man must nigh on be classed permanent UK resident! he's been riding over here for a least a decade surely. What the hell does he need to prove?. Also his average 6.93 so its not 7.00. For 0.07 of point and he's shown the door for Christ's sake. This is just becoming nasty.Given his rolling average is calculated over 24 meetings so around 110 rides this equates to being 2 race points short.One EF or one failed team ride in 110 races could mean he is out! Harsh if so but there has to be a line somewhere. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted February 5, 2015 Report Share Posted February 5, 2015 Plainly ridiculous Dooley Man must nigh on be classed permanent UK resident! he's been riding over here for a least a decade surely. What the hell does he need to prove?. Also his average 6.93 so its not 7.00. For 0.07 of point and he's shown the door for Christ's sake. This is just becoming nasty. If he's not met the criteria then he's not met the criteria and so should be allowed to work permit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
screm Posted February 5, 2015 Report Share Posted February 5, 2015 Plainly ridiculous Dooley Man must nigh on be classed permanent UK resident! he's been riding over here for a least a decade surely. What the hell does he need to prove?. Also his average 6.93 so its not 7.00. For 0.07 of point and he's shown the door for Christ's sake. This is just becoming nasty. At the end of it all there has to be rules, and there has to be criteria to obtain visas, some riders will miss out over the narrowest of margins in the same way some riders will qualify with the narrowest of margins. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The White Knight Posted February 5, 2015 Report Share Posted February 5, 2015 At the end of it all there has to be rules, and there has to be criteria to obtain visas, some riders will miss out over the narrowest of margins in the same way some riders will qualify with the narrowest of margins. Very true screm. But very harsh also. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theknow 2 Posted February 5, 2015 Report Share Posted February 5, 2015 Lets face it a lot of the Aussies are not really good enough or warrant being here. The place should go to a Britsh, Euro first. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The White Knight Posted February 5, 2015 Report Share Posted February 5, 2015 Lets face it a lot of the Aussies are not really good enough or warrant being here. The place should go to a Britsh, Euro first. I agree about the British. I totally and completely disagree about the Europeans. Commonwealth Countries first for me. Sorry. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
screm Posted February 5, 2015 Report Share Posted February 5, 2015 Well its like this as the choir girl said to the bishop when she saw his up right and it was'nt a piano for music lessons either. What a total cock up this whole saga regarding visa's seems to be making more foes (enemies) than friends as I can see it. The cock up and the saga started when the BSPA and/or the clubs started ignoring the rules on visa applications that were already in place. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weatherwatcher Posted February 5, 2015 Report Share Posted February 5, 2015 Yes it is getting to be a tatal mess, not so long ago we where all part of the great Commonwealth, what would Queen Victoria think, I am sure she would not be amused Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
screm Posted February 5, 2015 Report Share Posted February 5, 2015 Surely your not saying the Bspa/Clubs are a law onto themselves are you heaven forbid. Me never, but the rules that are now being used to judge on visa applications have been in place since 2009 so something's up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ruffdiamond Posted February 5, 2015 Report Share Posted February 5, 2015 I agree about the British. I totally and completely disagree about the Europeans. Commonwealth Countries first for me. Sorry. is there not some Commonwealth Counties in Europe ??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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