ch958 Posted January 23, 2015 Report Share Posted January 23, 2015 What you have said has no bearing on the situation at all. Those riders aren't blocking places for young NL riders. The young NL riders should be moving into PL reserve spots and progressing up from there. Instead those sports get clogged up with journeyman riders from overseas. thats more or less what i said Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWitcher Posted January 23, 2015 Report Share Posted January 23, 2015 thats more or less what i said Similar, but you were blaming the wrong situation. The double uppers aren't taking up the places that the young NL riders should be moving into. The progress is being blocked before that stage and that very much lies at the door of the falsely named Premier League. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikebv Posted January 23, 2015 Report Share Posted January 23, 2015 (edited) Our local takeaway was raided by UKVI. They were employing two overseas students part time who had a visa to study in this country but not work. The takeaway owner was fined £10,000 as he was responsible for ensuring that his staff had the relevant documents to work.I pay out a lot of money to two people to ensure my store does not suffer the same fate... They carry out weekly checks on all my employees files to ensure they are up to date should we receive a visit from the immigration agency.. My company can get fined up to 20k per person found either without the right to work in the uk or not following the rules of their visa... And I can face six months inside!!! You really should take the criteria laid down very seriously and like any law 'ignorance is no defence' when you fall foul of it... Not being up to speed when you know you employ people needing visas is not very bright is it? Edited January 23, 2015 by mikebv Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paulco Posted January 23, 2015 Report Share Posted January 23, 2015 How can speedway possibly have a problem with this visa thing with all the know alls on here 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveLyric2 Posted January 23, 2015 Author Report Share Posted January 23, 2015 I pay out a lot of money to two people to ensure my store does not suffer the same fate... They carry out weekly checks on all my employees files to ensure they are up to date should we receive a visit from the immigration agency.. My company can get fined up to 20k per person found either without the right to work in the uk or not following the rules of their visa... And I can face six months inside!!! You really should take the criteria laid down very seriously and like any law 'ignorance is no defence' when you fall foul of it... Not being up to speed when you know you employ people needing visas is not very bright is it? I thought speedway riders were self-employed!? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The White Knight Posted January 23, 2015 Report Share Posted January 23, 2015 Similar, but you were blaming the wrong situation. The double uppers aren't taking up the places that the young NL riders should be moving into. The progress is being blocked before that stage and that very much lies at the door of the falsely named Premier League. ELITE!!!!!! - you are kidding. :rofl: :rofl: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWitcher Posted January 23, 2015 Report Share Posted January 23, 2015 (edited) ELITE!!!!!! - you are kidding. :rofl: :rofl: It is the highest level league in the UK. Therefore, it is the Elite. 100% accurately named. By mocking the 'Elite' League, which IS the highest standard you are really putting your boot into the 'Premier' League which is below it. Edited January 23, 2015 by BWitcher 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dontforgetthefueltapsbruv Posted January 23, 2015 Report Share Posted January 23, 2015 Come on fellas - leave it out. I think the least important thing at the moment would be the resurrection of the inappropriately named league debate! IMO we need to use this as a wake call (by we I mean British Speedway as a whole) to examine and implement new thinking. We need to look at ways of ensuring PL reserve births are all but if not exclusively filled by British riders. This could be achieved by introducing a rule that no riders average can fall below 5 unless they have previously ridden N or started on a 3. We need to introduce British rider quotas for all line ups in both leagues even if the starts at below the long time aim level. Whatever the measures are the sooner we start towards them the better. Every year excuses are found to delay is a year wasted. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
orion Posted January 23, 2015 Report Share Posted January 23, 2015 ELITE!!!!!! - you are kidding. :rofl: :rofl: Not again ....you been told a million times why it it's called that but you still fail to take it in . Not sure how many more times it has to be explained . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWitcher Posted January 23, 2015 Report Share Posted January 23, 2015 Come on fellas - leave it out. I think the least important thing at the moment would be the resurrection of the inappropriately named league debate! IMO we need to use this as a wake call (by we I mean British Speedway as a whole) to examine and implement new thinking. We need to look at ways of ensuring PL reserve births are all but if not exclusively filled by British riders. This could be achieved by introducing a rule that no riders average can fall below 5 unless they have previously ridden N or started on a 3. We need to introduce British rider quotas for all line ups in both leagues even if the starts at below the long time aim level. Whatever the measures are the sooner we start towards them the better. Every year excuses are found to delay is a year wasted. It's not even a debate. One is named correctly, the other isn't, quite simple. You are right though, PL reserve births should be filled exclusively by British Riders.. the PL won't play ball however. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted January 23, 2015 Report Share Posted January 23, 2015 How can speedway possibly have a problem with this visa thing with all the know alls on here Thats the wonderful thing - some of us have been asking questions for years on here. But what do we know eh?! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dontforgetthefueltapsbruv Posted January 23, 2015 Report Share Posted January 23, 2015 It's not even a debate. One is named correctly, the other isn't, quite simple. You are right though, PL reserve births should be filled exclusively by British Riders.. the PL won't play ball however. There does seem to be a growing will for the PL to introduce its own "fast track' in 2016.IMO they need to go further but at least it would be a start. The danger is there is always an easy reason why not to for a perceived short term gain. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ch958 Posted January 23, 2015 Report Share Posted January 23, 2015 Cook, Lawson, etc etc should be exclusively EL which would make room for NL up and comers - like it used to be when Div 2 heat leaders moved up - development of riders would be a clear path NL to PL to EL don't bother replying Bwitcher i know i'm wrong Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waiheke1 Posted January 23, 2015 Report Share Posted January 23, 2015 Cook, Lawson, etc etc should be exclusively EL which would make room for NL up and comers - like it used to be when Div 2 heat leaders moved up - development of riders would be a clear path NL to PL to EL don't bother replying Bwitcher i know i'm wrong why weaken the pl and reduce the earnings of british riders, when you could instead create positions by removing mediocre foreigners? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWitcher Posted January 23, 2015 Report Share Posted January 23, 2015 Cook, Lawson, etc etc should be exclusively EL which would make room for NL up and comers - like it used to be when Div 2 heat leaders moved up - development of riders would be a clear path NL to PL to EL don't bother replying Bwitcher i know i'm wrong Which NL rider is going to replace Craig Cook, the No 1 rider in the PL? I can see the point you're trying to make, however it's flawed.. As Cook/Lawson wouldn't be replaced by a NL rider, simply a new Dane/Swede etc would be brought in. It's the bottom end of PL teams that needs to be sorted out. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nigelb Posted January 23, 2015 Report Share Posted January 23, 2015 you can say that again, rather a large number of 'foreign' PL reserves in the current team line-ups who have had 2,3,4 seasons and still have a CMA below 4...would the top end NL riders be better given the time (and the same financial support?), would they be any worse? be interesting to track the development of reserves in teams with one UK and one 'foreign' reserve in PL... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The White Knight Posted January 23, 2015 Report Share Posted January 23, 2015 It is the highest level league in the UK. Therefore, it is the Elite. 100% accurately named. By mocking the 'Elite' League, which IS the highest standard you are really putting your boot into the 'Premier' League which is below it. I'm sorry BW - I couldn't resist. You really are very sensitive and defensive about it though aren't you? :rofl: Your second comment is just silly. You are better than that. :rofl: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
orion Posted January 23, 2015 Report Share Posted January 23, 2015 Your second comment is just silly. You are better than that. :rofl: Why is it silly ..not one PL would beat a EL team . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWitcher Posted January 23, 2015 Report Share Posted January 23, 2015 I'm sorry BW - I couldn't resist. You really are very sensitive and defensive about it though aren't you? :rofl: Your second comment is just silly. You are better than that. :rofl:I If it's silly WK, it only strengthens my argument further. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The White Knight Posted January 23, 2015 Report Share Posted January 23, 2015 (edited) Why is it silly ..not one PL would beat a EL team . But crucially I have never, ever said that they would. The Elite League Teams, by and large, have better Riders so I would expect them to beat a Premier League Team. If you had but the sense to realise it, my problem is with the Name itself. The Elite League is very FAR from Elite - just under one third of the Riders in each Team are National League Riders orion, BW. That means that at least TWO Riders are THIRD Class. They may improve, some have but most are not of such a standard as to be called Elite? League Rider. Before you say it, the Premier League is badly name too - it is never Premier. Why the hell can't Speedway get back to the British League Division One, Division Two and Division Three - for THAT is what they are. Anything else is pretentious nonsense. Edited January 23, 2015 by The White Knight Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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