ch958 Posted March 25, 2015 Report Share Posted March 25, 2015 don't get me started on this....if you could see the way young boys are coached you would understand why we are stuck at a certain level. Having been involved with youth coaching i've seen it - at 7/8 they look for big strong boys who can hoof it and run fast. With some elite clubs kids are turfed out at will in favour of other boys poached from other clubs - the 'legendary' Wallsend Boys Club being one of the worst offenders. As kids age they gradually fall away from the game to the extent that U18 and U21 teams are becoming rarer and rarer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tsunami Posted March 25, 2015 Report Share Posted March 25, 2015 Despite all those players, the best we achieved was one semi final. However, the point I am making is that England have qualified for the last five WCs, despite foreigners "flooding" the leagues and qualification being arguably harder now than in the 70s, when there were less foreigners in the England leagues AND we failed to make the WC finals twice. The suggestion that limiting foreigners will improve English standards has no foundation in fact. Disagree. Foreign players come across here and also get better. If say 60% of the total players are foreign, I would suggest that our 40% suffer, as opposed to say 20% foreign therefore giving British lads the places and opportunity, to also get better as a natural progression. One only has to compare the analogy with the lack of decent British speedway riders, whilst the number of foreign riders increased in our leagues. More places and opportunities for Brit riders or players will produce a bigger and better pool at the end. Although Shearer never played under Robson for England and amazingly a talent like Bryan Robson was never even capped (The White Knight should hopefully understand that one). But despite being pedantic (apologies ... it's late !!!) I understand the point you are making I agree. I was thinking more of an overlap of eras with Bobby and those players that I mentioned. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arson fire Posted March 25, 2015 Report Share Posted March 25, 2015 don't get me started on this....if you could see the way young boys are coached you would understand why we are stuck at a certain level. Having been involved with youth coaching i've seen it - at 7/8 they look for big strong boys who can hoof it and run fast. With some elite clubs kids are turfed out at will in favour of other boys poached from other clubs - the 'legendary' Wallsend Boys Club being one of the worst offenders. As kids age they gradually fall away from the game to the extent that U18 and U21 teams are becoming rarer and rarer. spot on!! Thats how Michael Bridges made it, he was massive for his age...thought footballing ability was light years behind others that didnt. My brother used to coach at the academy, Alan Irvine ( hoa at the time) had a meeting with him and another coach ( who has the highest coaching badge there is) Irvine had a list if the lads statistics, wanted to get rid of any lads under a certain height etc, they had to fight with him to keep the decent ones... Hed never even seen them play.. Keegan released all the yts lads, and kept on only 2, one whod broken his leg and another who had a schoolboy contract, Keegan told him on a friday that if he hadnt had a schoolboy contract hed have been out the door aswell. The lad ( paul Barrett, had just played for and i think captained England schoolboys on the previous wednesday!! Years ago boysclubs could only sign local lads within a 5 mile radius, but the cheating that went on to sign lads from further a field was shocking snd that was nearly 30 years ago... There is no radius now i believe, meaning Wallsend etc can get who they want. We will never produce home grown superstars unless some of the cream at the top is used and implemented at grassroots level... Football as a youngster is if your face fits and always has been. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted March 25, 2015 Report Share Posted March 25, 2015 (edited) Football as a youngster is if your face fits and always has been. Isn't that life at any age, sadly? Edited March 25, 2015 by SCB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bruiser McHuge Posted March 25, 2015 Report Share Posted March 25, 2015 don't get me started on this....if you could see the way young boys are coached you would understand why we are stuck at a certain level. Having been involved with youth coaching i've seen it - at 7/8 they look for big strong boys who can hoof it and run fast. With some elite clubs kids are turfed out at will in favour of other boys poached from other clubs - the 'legendary' Wallsend Boys Club being one of the worst offenders. As kids age they gradually fall away from the game to the extent that U18 and U21 teams are becoming rarer and rarer. I would say that is less so now...it certainly used to be the case and the fact is that big lads do look good at 7 and 8 and do catch the eye...but I do think that academies and centres of excellence are now looking at abilities rather than just size....my club and also the school team had had players taken from Manchester City, United, Oldham, Fleetwood, Stoke.....and other clubs from the league have gone to other teams and some of them are smaller technical players...so it's changing....they just need a chance to break into first teams eventually. We played Wallsend Boys Club once in a tournament...I was expecting more from them as they are famous..I was disappointed with them. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Humphrey Appleby Posted March 25, 2015 Report Share Posted March 25, 2015 However, the point I am making is that England have qualified for the last five WCs, despite foreigners "flooding" the leagues and qualification being arguably harder now than in the 70s, when there were less foreigners in the England leagues AND we failed to make the WC finals twice. You can't draw any conclusions between the 70s and now. World Cups only had 14 qualification places (given the hosts and holders qualified automatically), and whilst there were fewer competitive nations around in that era, most of the best teams were still to be found in Europe. Nowadays with 31 places up for grabs, it seems just about any mediocre nation can qualify. It would be fair to say that whilst England does regularly qualify for World Cup, it has underachieved down the years. You'd put the English League in the top 4 or 5 in the world, yet we have a solitary World Cup success to show for it. By contrast, Brazil has won 5, and Germany and Italy 4 each. Even the great historical underachievers Spain not only managed one World Cup, but three European titles as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
orion Posted March 25, 2015 Report Share Posted March 25, 2015 You can't draw any conclusions between the 70s and now. World Cups only had 14 qualification places (given the hosts and holders qualified automatically), and whilst there were fewer competitive nations around in that era, most of the best teams were still to be found in Europe. Nowadays with 31 places up for grabs, it seems just about any mediocre nation can qualify. It would be fair to say that whilst England does regularly qualify for World Cup, it has underachieved down the years. You'd put the English League in the top 4 or 5 in the world, yet we have a solitary World Cup success to show for it. By contrast, Brazil has won 5, and Germany and Italy 4 each. Even the great historical underachievers Spain not only managed one World Cup, but three European titles as well. The point is thou England have still put out good teams and great players even as a collective they not done very well ....Same as I said in other sport if you good enough your make it Foreign players won't stop that and it's just poor reason for us not doing well . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ch958 Posted March 25, 2015 Report Share Posted March 25, 2015 England has had good players but they lack technique at the highest level = probably because we play at 100 mph in the UK how many English players have had long and succesful careers abroad? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
orion Posted March 25, 2015 Report Share Posted March 25, 2015 England has had good players but they lack technique at the highest level = probably because we play at 100 mph in the UK how many English players have had long and succesful careers abroad? No English players need to go abroad ....as nearly all the top payers are in England ...Beckham Gerrard ,Rooney lampard etc have always had great technigue hence why they have played at the highest level ...England problem has always been more in the mind than there Ability . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arson fire Posted March 25, 2015 Report Share Posted March 25, 2015 No English players need to go abroad ....as nearly all the top payers are in England ...Beckham Gerrard ,Rooney lampard etc have always had great technigue hence why they have played at the highest level ...England problem has always been more in the mind than there Ability .Hi Harry its mick... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black Angus Posted March 25, 2015 Report Share Posted March 25, 2015 At the risk of offending by bringing this thread back to earth, has everyone who we think should be granted a visa now arrived and is ready to go? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ruffdiamond Posted March 25, 2015 Report Share Posted March 25, 2015 at least England, and Ireland are good at horse racing ;-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ch958 Posted March 25, 2015 Report Share Posted March 25, 2015 At the risk of offending by bringing this thread back to earth, has everyone who we think should be granted a visa now arrived and is ready to go? we did wander off a bit there didn't we Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The White Knight Posted March 25, 2015 Report Share Posted March 25, 2015 we did wander off a bit there didn't we Yes we did. That sometimes happens on Forums. Very interesting though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jickmagger Posted April 1, 2015 Report Share Posted April 1, 2015 It's always a faff-around when UKBA are involved, but points make passports Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Triple.H. Posted May 28, 2015 Report Share Posted May 28, 2015 I see in todays Speedway Star that Hayley Perrault a 17yr old American girl will be having a spin at Birmingham next week. isn't this one of the things that was frowned upon by the authorities Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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