XTC38L Posted January 21, 2015 Report Share Posted January 21, 2015 Good to see no-one has blamed Gary May or Matt Ford for this yet!!!but it is their fault along with the rest of the bspa. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arson fire Posted January 21, 2015 Report Share Posted January 21, 2015 I admit they probably are and my status was probably a flippant one, but there are also other sports like Rugby League that do seem to have a high southern hemisphere contingent that people, that are participating in sport in our country..... yes but their governing bodies have probably done everything correct amd not flouted the system 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magnus Posted January 21, 2015 Report Share Posted January 21, 2015 yes but their governing bodies have probably done everything correct amd not flouted the system So I assume British speedway is to blame then?????? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XTC38L Posted January 21, 2015 Report Share Posted January 21, 2015 So I assume British speedway is to blame then?????? yes it appears that the bspa is to blame Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arson fire Posted January 21, 2015 Report Share Posted January 21, 2015 Starmans an Aussie aint he 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenny bee firefly Posted January 22, 2015 Report Share Posted January 22, 2015 Starmans an Aussie aint he He hasn't got a clue what nationality he is !! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Humphrey Appleby Posted January 22, 2015 Report Share Posted January 22, 2015 I wonder what will happen when we leave the European Union??? You and others have advocated leaving the EU so 'our borders can be controlled' and that we only have to 'take immigrants that are useful'. What we're seeing now are the realities of border bureaucracy when the authorities are told to clamp down on immigration. Speedway is far too insignificant to really expect any special dispensation in this respect, and indeed I'm sure plenty over on General Discussions would argue that we should be giving preferential employment to our own young people Quite ironic int it that the majority of the non-eu countries speak english as their first language yet we let in people from the EU that can't speak English! You don't need to speak English to ride a speedway bike, although I'm really sure there's that many immigrants from the EU who don't speak some English. In addition, the ethnic origin of Australians is majority non-British nowadays. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikebv Posted January 22, 2015 Report Share Posted January 22, 2015 Looks like it's time that the Parliamentary Group are involved, rather than only enjoying canapes on the Westminster terrace. hard to see what they can do 'if' the bspa have been knowingly flouting the employment laws over the past few years... looks like the 'aaaah, but this is speedway' catch all excuse for any farce that occurs, doesnt cut any ice with government agencies trying to uphold the law of the land! maybe we should ask them to review the guest rider rule!!! given british speedway's slavish following of averages wouldnt it be ironic if grading these riders in such a haphazard way over the years has delivered this scenario? maybe that is why other sports highly reliant on non europeans such as both rugby codes, ice hockey and basketball have not been challenged ie they dont grade them against british competitors performance levels..? chickens coming home time for the sport... (for the umpteenth time) 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ruffdiamond Posted January 22, 2015 Report Share Posted January 22, 2015 You and others have advocated leaving the EU so 'our borders can be controlled' and that we only have to 'take immigrants that are useful'. What we're seeing now are the realities of border bureaucracy when the authorities are told to clamp down on immigration. Speedway is far too insignificant to really expect any special dispensation in this respect, and indeed I'm sure plenty over on General Discussions would argue that we should be giving preferential employment to our own young people You don't need to speak English to ride a speedway bike, although I'm really sure there's that many immigrants from the EU who don't speak some English. In addition, the ethnic origin of Australians is majority non-British nowadays. but you might need to undrestand it when the 2 minute warning comes on,,, unless they announce it in a Eurovision Song Contest style,,, 'der minwee', lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arnieg Posted January 22, 2015 Report Share Posted January 22, 2015 but you might need to undrestand it when the 2 minute warning comes on,,, unless they announce it in a Eurovision Song Contest style,,, 'der minwee', lol So that is why Craig Cook hasn't got Polish League place! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pirate Baz Posted January 22, 2015 Report Share Posted January 22, 2015 Still no official statement from the BSPA. It would be nice to know the facts, and the riders affected. Lots of speculation and guesswork at present. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teddy2706 Posted January 22, 2015 Report Share Posted January 22, 2015 So Ipswich having been issused 3 visas for Tungate, Heeps and Manzares for the start of 2014 will be ok then as all have only ridden for the Witches in that time? Where as a rider who on his 2nd year rode on loan to another club would have their visa cancelled? But if its on loan would this not be ok? Why would Heeps require a visa at all? He was introduced at Mildenhall in the NL and it was insisted at the time that he needed no visa and was "British" so eligible for NL teams. If he needs a visa now, why didn't he then and was he ever eligible for NL? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pirates Of Poole Posted January 22, 2015 Report Share Posted January 22, 2015 Still no official statement from the BSPA. It would be nice to know the facts, and the riders affected. Lots of speculation and guesswork at present. Probably hear something in the next 2 weeks when they have got out from under the desk pretending everything is fine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan_Jones Posted January 22, 2015 Report Share Posted January 22, 2015 Here's something substantial; http://scunthorpescorpions.co/?p=2383 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arnieg Posted January 22, 2015 Report Share Posted January 22, 2015 Here's something substantial; http://scunthorpescorpions.co/?p=2383 A very good article. I'm sure Alex is furious, but he resists the temptation to start allocating blame. Three interesting points from the article: 1) It is not just speedway affected 2) the BSPA members will have to attend workshops - I bet they will love that 3) There is some prospect of it being sorted out before the season starts 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bdjfan Posted January 22, 2015 Report Share Posted January 22, 2015 What a cracking post by Alex Davies makes it very clear now, avoids all the rumour mungering. All that's needed now is the powers that be need to pull there fingers out to get these workshops laid on and attended ASAP so that the paperwork can be processed. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveLyric2 Posted January 22, 2015 Author Report Share Posted January 22, 2015 (edited) So I guess my OP has now been answered with what sounds like the latest (of several) meetings with the UKV& I having taken place yesterday!! Now awaiting revised fixture lists, points limits, team announcements(?) and doubleing-up rules. Official BSPA statement on the 'ongoing visa situation' expected in due course. Edited January 22, 2015 by Skidder1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A ORLOV Posted January 22, 2015 Report Share Posted January 22, 2015 So I guess my OP has now been answered with what sounds like the latest (of several) meetings with the UKV& I having taken place yesterday!! Now awaiting revised fixture lists, points limits, team announcements(?) and doubleing-up rules. Official BSPA statement on the 'ongoing visa situation' expected in due course. Will that be before or after the BSPA have been on a course to learn how to put together a readable, clear, statement. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveLyric2 Posted January 22, 2015 Author Report Share Posted January 22, 2015 Will that be before or after the BSPA have been on a course to learn how to put together a readable, clear, statement. ...which will hopefully agree with what the UKV&I have instructed them!!! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bostonian Posted January 22, 2015 Report Share Posted January 22, 2015 Here's something substantial; http://scunthorpescorpions.co/?p=2383 Thats interesting and informative reading. Seems as though things can get sorted before the start of the season if the bspa can get their backsides in gear! Hopefully these 'workshops' can be sorted asap, as the young aussies make up a great portion of our riders here. Whether you like them or not, we need these guys in our leagues to keep it running and viable. The Elite & Premier league will be alot worse of without the likes of ward/fricke/kurtz's etc not here! Worryingly, will only lessen the product even more to the viewing public...... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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