greyhoundp Posted January 21, 2015 Report Share Posted January 21, 2015 (edited) I think UKBA (or whatever they're now called) are basiclaly saying, if you're, "internationally established at the highest level" (as per the work permit regs) then a 7 point PL average shouldn't be an issue should it? UKBA; United Kingdom Border Agency, I have had dealings with them in the past, not succesfully i might add, If the BSPA mess them around, i can see this ending badly for none internationally established riders, especially if British riders are without a Team spot, which incidentally has been the case for many a year now. I have an idea that one of the criteria that is being talked about is that before a visa is issued, every effort must have been made to have signed up a British rider before a visa is issued, if thats the case then it could be good from the perspective of young British riders. Edited January 21, 2015 by greyhoundp Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan_Jones Posted January 21, 2015 Report Share Posted January 21, 2015 I think UKBA (or whatever they're now called)... The UKBA was abolished in 2013 and the relevant department is now known as UK Visas & Immigration. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
screm Posted January 21, 2015 Report Share Posted January 21, 2015 UKBA; United Kingdom Border Agency, I have had dealings with them in the past, not succesfully i might add, If the BSPA mess them around, i can see this ending badly for none internationally established riders, especially if British riders are without a Team spot, which incidentally has been the case for many a year now. I have an idea that one of the criteria that is being talked about is that before a visa is issued, every effort must have been made to have signed up a British rider before a visa is issued, if thats the case then it could be good from the perspective of young British riders. If the criteria is enforced for this Tier 2 visa, its difficult to see and Aussie newcomer being granted a visa. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveLyric2 Posted January 21, 2015 Author Report Share Posted January 21, 2015 Can't all/most Aussies claim dual nationality?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scaramanga Posted January 21, 2015 Report Share Posted January 21, 2015 Can't all/most Aussies claim dual nationality?? can only go back as far as grand parents isnt it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikebv Posted January 21, 2015 Report Share Posted January 21, 2015 (edited) anyone know if basketball and ice hockey have similar issues?? presume they must as the law is the law...?? they do all seem to have Yanks and Canadians, however they are certainly not 'elite' as they would be playing in their own countries surely?? to be honest its a shame that the same doesn't apply for many European riders, ie the many journeymen who arrive through a revolving door and apply their trade in the PL taking the opportunity away for a Brit to improve his career whilst never getting any better themselves.... still 'rules are rules' let's hope that promoters look to fill any void with British lads rather than more 5 point (at best) European non entities... Edited January 21, 2015 by mikebv 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tsunami Posted January 21, 2015 Report Share Posted January 21, 2015 anyone know if basketball and ice hockey have similar issues?? presume they must as the law is the law...?? they do all seem to have Yanks and Canadians, however they are certainly not 'elite' as they would be playing in their own countries surely?? to be honest its a shame that the same doesn't apply for many European riders, ie the many journeymen who arrive through a revolving door and apply their trade in the PL taking the opportunity away for a Brit to improve his career whilst never getting any better themselves.... still 'rules are rules' let's hope that promoters look to fill any void with British lads rather than more 5 point (at best) European non entities... Knowing Ice Hockey, The imports may not be Elite World players, but they are in respect to ours and in fact, like speedway, they don't have enough home riders to stock the leagues, so they are not taking a Brits place. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ciderman Posted January 21, 2015 Report Share Posted January 21, 2015 Have just had a friend on the phone telling me, he is reading various riders facebook comments and it looks like all aussie and american riders have been refused permits! Speedway is in serious truble if thats the case. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
raymondbudd Posted January 21, 2015 Report Share Posted January 21, 2015 If they are being refused then in my book that's a good thing and I support the stance of immigration officials. Taking the quote above "elite sportsperson / internationally established at the highest level". With all due respect to the riders mentioned, I woukd not class them as fitting thus criteria. If they were either GP riders or even featured in SWC the previous year, I woukd say yes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weeyin Posted January 21, 2015 Report Share Posted January 21, 2015 If they are being refused then in my book that's a good thing and I support the stance of immigration officials. Taking the quote above "elite sportsperson / internationally established at the highest level". With all due respect to the riders mentioned, I woukd not class them as fitting thus criteria. If they were either GP riders or even featured in SWC the previous year, I woukd say yes. Thats all well and good but there are not enough riders to fill the places if the rumour is true that over 20 riders may be affected 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XTC38L Posted January 21, 2015 Report Share Posted January 21, 2015 22 apparently. Anyone requiring a visa basically Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2ndbendbeerhut Posted January 21, 2015 Report Share Posted January 21, 2015 (edited) Have just had a friend on the phone telling me, he is reading various riders facebook comments and it looks like all aussie and american riders have been refused permits! Speedway is in serious truble if thats the case. What about those who have a 3 year visa? Would also think new riders to UK last year ok as have the 2 years to obtain ave requirement? Edited January 21, 2015 by 2ndbendbeerhut Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XTC38L Posted January 21, 2015 Report Share Posted January 21, 2015 What about those who have a 3 year visa? Would also think new riders to UK last year ok as have the 2 years to obtain ave requirement? apparently it wont matter. The word is all non EU riders will not be permitted to ride in either league. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2ndbendbeerhut Posted January 21, 2015 Report Share Posted January 21, 2015 (edited) Werent the BSPA warned a while ago that what they were doing regarding the 5 not 7 ave was wrong and the UKBA knew that they were upto? seems yet again that the BSPA has ####ed up but this time in a very big way! taken from https://www.gov.uk/tier-2-sportsperson-worker-visa/overview How long you can stay? You can come to the UK with a Tier 2 (Sportsperson) visa for up to 3 years. So the ones already on this visa should be ok...? Edited January 21, 2015 by 2ndbendbeerhut 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pirate Nick Posted January 21, 2015 Report Share Posted January 21, 2015 apparently it wont matter. The word is all non EU riders will not be permitted to ride in either league. That's not true Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan_Jones Posted January 21, 2015 Report Share Posted January 21, 2015 If all this is true then I can only assume that the meeting took place and the BSPA delegation behaved like speedway promoters. Ricky Wells must be laughing because he was recently awarded indefinite leave to remain. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panthers89 Posted January 21, 2015 Report Share Posted January 21, 2015 Makes very few teams unaffected, thank the Lord for our mostly British side 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XTC38L Posted January 21, 2015 Report Share Posted January 21, 2015 That's not true do tell then. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pirate Baz Posted January 21, 2015 Report Share Posted January 21, 2015 do tell then. Dual nationality ? British grannies ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barncooseboy Posted January 21, 2015 Report Share Posted January 21, 2015 All existing tier 2 visas have been cancelled with effect from 1800 tonight, all sponsorship licences previously issued to promotions have also been cancelled. A rider on a 3 year Tier 2 Visa shou,ld only have ridden for one team throughout the entire 3 years. Promoters who have sold promotions and have failed to cancel their Sponsorship licence are facing large V and I fines for non compliance. Tracks have been failing to keep up to date required records on each and every visa licenced rider. All this traces back to the office staff not returning paperwork by a required date, think its time for an office staff cull. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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