SteveLyric2 Posted January 14, 2015 Report Share Posted January 14, 2015 (edited) It was reported several weeks back when the Jack Holder/Jake Allen assessed average (5 or 7?) came to light, that the BSPA would be meeting with the Visa officials - something that used to happen every year - sometime in January 2015 to thrash out any 'issues' as far as they may affect speedway riders! Anyone know when this meeting is taking/has taken place?? Edited January 14, 2015 by Skidder1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dontforgetthefueltapsbruv Posted January 14, 2015 Report Share Posted January 14, 2015 I would say ask Skidder1 - hes bound to know but.... Or are you going by the old saying "never ask a question you dont know the answer to" to get the ball rolling? wink 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveLyric2 Posted January 15, 2015 Author Report Share Posted January 15, 2015 Serious question, this time!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dontforgetthefueltapsbruv Posted January 15, 2015 Report Share Posted January 15, 2015 Sorry I dont know then. Sometime in the next two weeks is my best guess!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
racers and royals Posted January 15, 2015 Report Share Posted January 15, 2015 Tell you who might know- Barncooseboy- he appears to have a mole inside the agency Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greyhoundp Posted January 15, 2015 Report Share Posted January 15, 2015 Maybe its the British riders who are trying to make a way in the Sport, but cant get a Team place, they are the ones who should be holding the meeting with The UKBA, the BSPA will only bend rules to suit there particular circumstance. For instance a new None British passport holder is assessed as a 7 pointer, but the following year if his average is lets assume say 5 points he can still ride here, surely if he is assessed as a 7 pointer to obtain a visa then he should be 7 or above for the following seasons.. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted January 15, 2015 Report Share Posted January 15, 2015 For instance a new None British passport holder is assessed as a 7 pointer, but the following year if his average is lets assume say 5 points he can still ride here, surely if he is assessed as a 7 pointer to obtain a visa then he should be 7 or above for the following seasons.. Which is how it used to be. I'd be nice and say assesed average 7 can't drop lower than 6, gives some wiggle room for them then. But no hard luck stories, the dropping to 6 gives them a points tolerance to allow for injury or other bad luck. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barncooseboy Posted January 15, 2015 Report Share Posted January 15, 2015 I dont have a mole inside the V and I agency, my mole is somewhere else Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghosty Posted January 16, 2015 Report Share Posted January 16, 2015 Who is it that has decided that young none EU riders come straight into the Premier on 7 points, with no league/ team riding experience it's far to high. However if assessed averages were done fairly in the first place, then that should be the minimum figure used for all future team building etc. I am all for developing British riders & the place to start is the Nat/Conference league. Other then the team captain/coach all riders should be potential Premier/ Elite material or move over! We have far to many very keen fathers of no more than average talented son's it's them that are blocking new talent coming through! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghosty Posted January 21, 2015 Report Share Posted January 21, 2015 Sorry that my input has stalled this topic, but please tell me who can expect a first year Australian (or Kiwi)to attain a 7 point average in the Premier League. May-be we should have drug & alcohol test before any BSPA or SCB voting! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tsunami Posted January 21, 2015 Report Share Posted January 21, 2015 Sorry that my input has stalled this topic, but please tell me who can expect a first year Australian (or Kiwi)to attain a 7 point average in the Premier League. May-be we should have drug & alcohol test before any BSPA or SCB voting! Except of course is the UKBA that determines, that not an organisation within Speedway. That's been the problem because BSPA were wanting it to stay at 5. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted January 21, 2015 Report Share Posted January 21, 2015 Who is it that has decided that young none EU riders come straight into the Premier on 7 points, with no league/ team riding experience it's far to high. However if assessed averages were done fairly in the first place, then that should be the minimum figure used for all future team building etc. I am all for developing British riders & the place to start is the Nat/Conference league. Other then the team captain/coach all riders should be potential Premier/ Elite material or move over! We have far to many very keen fathers of no more than average talented son's it's them that are blocking new talent coming through! The government,. While people are voting for UKIP and wanting foreigners banned, the government have to clamp down on foreigners. That means limiting the work permit rider who come in. I dont see why people are so upset at the prospect of losing a few 5 point riders?! "I'm not going to speedway any more because Mason Campton has been forced out" - said nobody ever! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BBSC Posted January 21, 2015 Report Share Posted January 21, 2015 i feel sorry for Allen and also Holder all this indecision regarding there averages.Yet we have had riders from Sweden Denmark who regulary struggle to get a 5 pt average never mind 7pt average but always end up with a team place. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghosty Posted January 21, 2015 Report Share Posted January 21, 2015 Surely the UKBA should determine who should/should not be allowed to compete in UK speedway. The riders average is an internal & unique to speedway toll that in theory allow teams to be evenly matched, therefore nothing to do with UKBA but with the BSPA itself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tsunami Posted January 21, 2015 Report Share Posted January 21, 2015 Surely the UKBA should determine who should/should not be allowed to compete in UK speedway. The riders average is an internal & unique to speedway toll that in theory allow teams to be evenly matched, therefore nothing to do with UKBA but with the BSPA itself. There has to be a standard or indicator of a riders ability to get his permit. In the past and possibly still, there used to be requirements like being in the top 4 of State titles to come here to ride. That probably equated to the 7 average, but despite the BSPA trying to maintain a 5, the UKBA don't agree and they have to maintain the average. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smod Posted January 21, 2015 Report Share Posted January 21, 2015 (edited) Isn't it the case the authorities have no interest in a rider's average if he meets certain requirements (state or national title, etc) but that they require he should maintain his entry standard before any renewal after a couple of seasons? The 5, up to 7 at AGM, back to 5 afterwards, now still currently under discussion, etc, all stemmed from BSPA MC moving goalposts all over the pitch this winter. Had Edinburgh (only for instance) wanted to bring in Max Fricke, Aaron Fox or whoever this year rather than 2013 or 2014, would there have been all this fuss? Edited January 21, 2015 by smod Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pirate Nick Posted January 21, 2015 Report Share Posted January 21, 2015 Do they come in on Tier 2 or 5 sporting visas? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan_Jones Posted January 21, 2015 Report Share Posted January 21, 2015 Do they come in on Tier 2 or 5 sporting visas? Tier 2. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pirate Nick Posted January 21, 2015 Report Share Posted January 21, 2015 Tier 2. If thats the case then it could mean the end of the road for new Aussies depending on how they define an elite sportsperson. Now I havent read the entire legal document, but the overview taken from https://www.gov.uk/tier-2-sportsperson-worker-visa/overview says the following: 1. OverviewYou can apply for a Tier 2 (Sportsperson) visa if all of the following apply: you’re an elite sportsperson or qualified coach recognised by your sport’s governing body as internationally established at the highest level your sport’s governing body is endorsing your application your employment will develop your sport in the UK at the highest level you’re from outside the European Economic Area (EEA) and Switzerland you meet the other eligibility requirements Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted January 21, 2015 Report Share Posted January 21, 2015 Surely the UKBA should determine who should/should not be allowed to compete in UK speedway. The riders average is an internal & unique to speedway toll that in theory allow teams to be evenly matched, therefore nothing to do with UKBA but with the BSPA itself. I think UKBA (or whatever they're now called) are basiclaly saying, if you're, "internationally established at the highest level" (as per the work permit regs) then a 7 point PL average shouldn't be an issue should it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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