Christopher Bcmma Cook Posted January 7, 2015 Report Share Posted January 7, 2015 I would put at least one race in there where the Draft rider at no.6 was racing against the Away teams heat leader for example but i wouldnt put the format down for any Draft riders to face a heat leader away from home so maybe something like 3 & 6 vs 4 & 5 going with the idea of that draft rider having home advantage, i think they need this one heat maybe in their 3rd/4th ride in order to further progress as thes 6's should be looking to get into the main body in year 3 of the program. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
INCOGNITO Posted January 7, 2015 Report Share Posted January 7, 2015 It's not quite as important as finding out the sex of your new baby, people can't wait to have that scan whereas it was so much more exciting finding out when the baby was born, just be patient people ☺  But if it has a problem you would like to know first and have time to prepare for it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveLyric2 Posted January 8, 2015 Report Share Posted January 8, 2015 (edited) But if it has a problem you would like to know first and have time to prepare for it. Â The parents and family members would like to know first (ie the Clubs/riders) but it would only be published worldwide on a website for all and sundry to see just before or when the 'child' is born - if at all!! Â What 'preparation' does a 'fan' need to do prior to the first meeting?? Edited January 8, 2015 by Skidder1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T.N.T. Posted January 8, 2015 Report Share Posted January 8, 2015 The race format used in 2014 was too unbalanced in my opinion and there was too much emphasis and importance in the reserves. This format is more like the format used before but with a few changes to protect the #7 rider who is the NL draft rider   Two Options of how a team lines up  1 - Riders line up in order of averages 2 - Top rider must be at #1  In both options, the strongest reserve must be at #6  Each reserve must take three programmed rides .... note programmed rides not rides   HT 01 = 1c 5a v 1d 5b HT 02 = 6b 7d v 6a 7c HT 03 = 3c 4a v 3d 4b HT 04 = 2c 7a v 2d 7b HT 05 = 3b 4d v 1c 5a HT 06 = 1a 5c v 2b 6d HT 07 = 2b 6d v 3a 4c HT 08 = 5d 7b v 5c 7a HT 09 = 3d 4b v 2a 6c HT 10 = 1d 5b v 3c 4a HT 11 = 2a 6c v 1b 5d HT 12 = 3a 7c v 3b 7d HT 13 = 1b 2d v 1a 2c HT 14 = 4c 6a v 4d 6b HT 15 = B D V A C  Obviously this shows the home team took gates 1+3 in heat one ..... to change to the other gates, simply swap A - B and C - D   Why wait when I posted a better format back in October and ensures more level heats and only protecting the #7 (lowest reserve) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
g13webb Posted January 8, 2015 Report Share Posted January 8, 2015 Â Â Why wait when I posted a better format back in October and ensures more level heats and only protecting the #7 (lowest reserve) Â Please to see someone else has positive views on the subject. Having been shot down by certain posters, I question the point of, 'why bother'. The problems with the format last year were inescapable, because of the lateness of the initial announcement of that format. Had the declaration been known earlier, amendments could have be initiated. Everyone were aware of certain issues in the format within the first months of the season. So I ask the question, why has it taken so long to address the problems??? We talk about sports being run as a business, but no business would wait this long before doing something about it. Â TNT. I thought your suggestion, you made back in October, was interesting. It showed Enterprise, Enthusiasm, and above all Positivity. I don't go along with all you suggest, ( The Away No 6 having to race against 3 home heat leaders is asking abit much !!) but at least the idea is down on paper, so opinions can be aired and with time available, amendments' made if decided. Â But like I said, there are people who think it is unimportant to have the format published prior to the start of the season. So, we have no option but to wait and except it in its entirety.. Be it good or bad, it will be too late to change it.......... until next year......... . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barrow boy Posted February 7, 2015 Report Share Posted February 7, 2015 The easiest way to introduce the away team's number 4 before heat 5 is to let him change places with the number 2 in heat 4 with the number 2 riding in heat 5 instead. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barrycuda Posted February 7, 2015 Report Share Posted February 7, 2015 (edited) Post removed Edited June 2, 2015 by Barrycuda Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barrow boy Posted February 7, 2015 Report Share Posted February 7, 2015 The only problem with that idea both the away number 2 rider and number 4 rider would start of the same gate position twice and not start off one of the other 3 gate positions.There is always something complicated. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barrycuda Posted February 7, 2015 Report Share Posted February 7, 2015 (edited) Post removed Edited June 2, 2015 by Barrycuda Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben91 Posted February 7, 2015 Report Share Posted February 7, 2015 The FTD reserves are of a better standard this year, they don't need protecting from heatleaders, no reason not to go back to the format that is still used in the PL and NL. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barrycuda Posted February 7, 2015 Report Share Posted February 7, 2015 (edited) Post removed Edited June 2, 2015 by Barrycuda Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foamfence Posted February 7, 2015 Report Share Posted February 7, 2015 http://www.speedwaygp.com/news/article/3930/freddies-fast-track-fears  Have a look what Freddie Lindgren thinks of the FTR's. It's no different to what he'd face in Poland or Sweden, he's just getting his excuses in early. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
INCOGNITO Posted February 8, 2015 Report Share Posted February 8, 2015 When you look at the main reserves in each Elite League team starting the forthcoming season there is no reason to make it easier for them as it was last season and they need testing more. Â Worrall Auty Kerr Garrity Newman Wright and Blackbird are all six plus riders in the Premier League and need to be facing the likes of Thorssell Morris Stead Watt etc a bit more than fellow reserves and second strings 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barrow boy Posted February 8, 2015 Report Share Posted February 8, 2015 When you look at the main reserves in each Elite League team starting the forthcoming season there is no reason to make it easier for them as it was last season and they need testing more.  Worrall Auty Kerr Garrity Newman Wright and Blackbird are all six plus riders in the Premier League and need to be facing the likes of Thorssell Morris Stead Watt etc a bit more than fellow reserves and second strings In last season's format the home number 6 never was never programed to ride against the away number 4. He rode twice against 2 & 6 and 4 times against 7 but never against 4. I think this should be addressed also. You are correct to call for the better reserve to be pitted more against the opposing 2 & 4. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Humphrey Appleby Posted February 8, 2015 Report Share Posted February 8, 2015 In last season's format the home number 6 never was never programed to ride against the away number 4. He rode twice against 2 & 6 and 4 times against 7 but never against 4. I think this should be addressed also. You are correct to call for the better reserve to be pitted more against the opposing 2 & 4. It's not always possible to achieve, especially when you consider the spacing of programmed rides and the need to share out gate positions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barrow boy Posted February 8, 2015 Report Share Posted February 8, 2015 It's not always possible to achieve, especially when you consider the spacing of programmed rides and the need to share out gate positions.Let's get rid of fixed gate positions then. Just let the losing team always have first choice of gates. A much fairer and more balanced races format can then be achieved. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike.Butler Posted February 8, 2015 Report Share Posted February 8, 2015 you've played a blinder there barrow boy! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveLyric2 Posted February 8, 2015 Report Share Posted February 8, 2015 As well as trying to sort out the first Away No. 4 ride, wasn't there also a (muted) suggestion from somewhere - just after the AGM(?) - that both reserves would/should have a minimum of 4 rides each? Â Or have I dreamt that? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bagpuss Posted February 8, 2015 Report Share Posted February 8, 2015 Funny that rule had been suggested now that Poole have a decent number seven Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woz01 Posted February 8, 2015 Report Share Posted February 8, 2015 As well as trying to sort out the first Away No. 4 ride, wasn't there also a (muted) suggestion from somewhere - just after the AGM(?) - that both reserves would/should have a minimum of 4 rides each? Â Or have I dreamt that? It was certainly suggested on here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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