Heats Formula

[ivanhoward]

Has anyone seen the heat formula for 2015?

[tellboy]

Has anyone seen the heat formula for 2015?

Same as 2014 I would assume.

[Mike.Butler]

it was stated it would be different. probably find out on march 15th

[naffer]

it was stated it would be different. probably find out on march 15th

 

First match must be March 13th then

[Barrycuda]

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Edited June 2, 2015 by Barrycuda

[Happy Hunter]

^{Yes, it was reported that there would be changes so that the visiting no 4 does not have to wait until heat 5 for their first race. Guess we will have to wait until the SCB publish the 2015 Regulations. The 2014 Regulations were published in March.}

[g13webb]

Such a shame the BSPA don't appear to place as much importance into these things as they should. We had this same attitude last year, when waiting for the new format to be announced. They appear to think, as long as the format is in place before the league starts then all is well. Nothing could be further from the truth.

 

All format changes should've be in place from the AGM so Team Managers can take on the implications of the new program when assembly his team. Last year, the format gave the 2nd strings(2S) a free run to score points far easier than Heatleaders(HL), but the TM, didn't know this until March 2014, when all teams had already been selected.

 

It has been said, this year's format would be different, Like as, the top tier FTR would include 1 race against a HL; The No 4 would race before Ht 5; Team positions would be dictated by the CMA and no swapping riders positions to be allowed. All these ideas will have an influence on the riders scoring potential, and it is for those reasons the TM ought to know well before the season starts.

 

No doubt there will be posters on here saying where's the problem, and its the same for all teams. Yeah, it probably is.... But It does the sport no favours, when nobody is aware of the format ahead, Not the riders, Nor the fans, Nor the TM. How can managers negotiate with riders when they don't know how they will score. Why should Fan buy season tickets when they know nothing of the format of racing ahead.

 

No, I don't see any of this changing this year and the sport will be continue in the shambolic way it always has. No doubt the format will be published in March ready for the new season and nobody knowing what lies ahead.... Such a pity there is not more planned and structured approach to our sport from the people who matter...............

[foreverblue]

Maybe the clubs know the format but just havent informed the fans which maybe they feel they dont need to.

I agree this is wrong and we should be told but maybe they dont think it makes any difference to fans in general.

Most fans probably didnt know it had changed last year until they turned up for a meeting.

If as you suggest the clubs havent been told then that is bad but as we know not out of character.

[Alan_Jones]

Maybe the clubs know the format but just havent informed the fans which maybe they feel they dont need to.

I agree this is wrong and we should be told but maybe they dont think it makes any difference to fans in general.

Most fans probably didnt know it had changed last year until they turned up for a meeting.

If as you suggest the clubs havent been told then that is bad but as we know not out of character.

Last year the new format wasn't decided until the end of February.

[SteveLyric2]

Its only for Clubs, riders and managers (and the programme editors) to be aware of before the first team meeting of the season. I really cannot understand why people get so uptight about it - there will be 15 heats involving all 7 riders from each team , end of!!

 

Do people go to footie matches knowing in advance who will take each free kick, corner, penalty or throw-in????

[Daniel Smith]

Its only for Clubs, riders and managers (and the programme editors) to be aware of before the first team meeting of the season. I really cannot understand why people get so uptight about it - there will be 15 heats involving all 7 riders from each team , end of!!

 

Do people go to footie matches knowing in advance who will take each free kick, corner, penalty or throw-in????

With you there. It's a bit anorak (another thing speedway needs to eradicate) that race format is seen so important.

 

It's all about people knocking up their own race-cards which has no importance to the sport of speedway what so ever.

 

14 rider's

4 laps

15 heats

 

What else do we need to know

[Pirate Baz]

Have to disagree with you here Skidder me old mate.

Firstly we know we can't compare different sports. Racing bike .... kicking leather ..... no comparison.

 

Also the more professional team managers do endeavour to work the race format to gain the biggest advantage. I know of one who not only studies the riders line up in each meeting but also the gate positions. Yes I know everyone gets one ride from each gate, but he will work his line up so he gets the optimum benefit. Even switching reserves to gain advantage where necessary.

Personally I think this is good as it is taking a more professional approach, rarely seen in speedway, and taking it to a higher level.

[weatherwatcher]

Everything should be done dusted and sorted out before the AGM, and should be announced in the statement after the meeting.

The clubs in the EL or some of them are holding back on signing their last riders. It is not good for the fans being left in the dark, we are getting very close now to the start of the new season and some clubs have not finished signing riders, it will not help the clubs wishing to sell season tickets if the fand don't have a clue who will be riding for their team, why bother at all if at the end of the day they end up having to fill places with riders that are not good enough to ride in the EL because they have left it to late to fill the team places with top class riders.

It is bad on behalf of the BPSA and also bad on the clubs who seem to be going all very quite on who they are planing on to fill the last team places.

I for one want to go and watch what you pay for and that is to see EL teams with EL riders, not something that is a buch of second rate riders in the EL because they have wasted time dithering about to decide what they want to do.

After all it is the people who run the sport who makes the rules.

They seem to me to be a bunch of amatuers, who are in need of a great big boot up the bum and someone running the show who knows what they are doing. If not our sport will be lost.

[customhouseregular]

Everything should be done dusted and sorted out before the AGM, and should be announced in the statement after the meeting.

The clubs in the EL or some of them are holding back on signing their last riders. It is not good for the fans being left in the dark, we are getting very close now to the start of the new season and some clubs have not finished signing riders, it will not help the clubs wishing to sell season tickets if the fand don't have a clue who will be riding for their team, why bother at all if at the end of the day they end up having to fill places with riders that are not good enough to ride in the EL because they have left it to late to fill the team places with top class riders.

It is bad on behalf of the BPSA and also bad on the clubs who seem to be going all very quite on who they are planing on to fill the last team places.

I for one want to go and watch what you pay for and that is to see EL teams with EL riders, not something that is a buch of second rate riders in the EL because they have wasted time dithering about to decide what they want to do.

After all it is the people who run the sport who makes the rules.

They seem to me to be a bunch of amatuers, who are in need of a great big boot up the bum and someone running the show who knows what they are doing. If not our sport wil

 

Everything should be done dusted and sorted out before the AGM, and should be announced in the statement after the meeting.

The clubs in the EL or some of them are holding back on signing their last riders. It is not good for the fans being left in the dark, we are getting very close now to the start of the new season and some clubs have not finished signing riders, it will not help the clubs wishing to sell season tickets if the fand don't have a clue who will be riding for their team, why bother at all if at the end of the day they end up having to fill places with riders that are not good enough to ride in the EL because they have left it to late to fill the team places with top class riders.

It is bad on behalf of the BPSA and also bad on the clubs who seem to be going all very quite on who they are planing on to fill the last team places.

I for one want to go and watch what you pay for and that is to see EL teams with EL riders, not something that is a buch of second rate riders in the EL because they have wasted time dithering about to decide what they want to do.

After all it is the people who run the sport who makes the rules.

They seem to me to be a bunch of amatuers, who are in need of a great big boot up the bum and someone running the show who knows what they are doing. If not our sport will be lost.

Given that so many top riders shun the EL anyway there are not enough "stars" to give each team 2 each!.

[SteveLyric2]

Have to disagree with you here Skidder me old mate.

Firstly we know we can't compare different sports. Racing bike .... kicking leather ..... no comparison.

 

Also the more professional team managers do endeavour to work the race format to gain the biggest advantage. I know of one who not only studies the riders line up in each meeting but also the gate positions. Yes I know everyone gets one ride from each gate, but he will work his line up so he gets the optimum benefit. Even switching reserves to gain advantage where necessary.

Personally I think this is good as it is taking a more professional approach, rarely seen in speedway, and taking it to a higher level.

Don't disagree with any of that Baz - but any team manager can do that before any meeting. There is no advantage in knowing the race format now rather than the week before the season starts.

[stevebrum]

Its only for Clubs, riders and managers (and the programme editors) to be aware of before the first team meeting of the season. I really cannot understand why people get so uptight about it - there will be 15 heats involving all 7 riders from each team , end of!!

 

Do people go to footie matches knowing in advance who will take each free kick, corner, penalty or throw-in????

 

 

 

Well said, plus it seems a usual lets moan about anything Speedway related question.

I know there will be minimal changes to last years formula with only the away number 4 coming in earlier than Heat 5.

That said, im more than happy to wait till I see my first match to see what the formula is.

 

 

[g13webb]

Its only for Clubs, riders and managers (and the programme editors) to be aware of before the first team meeting of the season. I really cannot understand why people get so uptight about it - there will be 15 heats involving all 7 riders from each team , end of!!

 

Do people go to footie matches knowing in advance who will take each free kick, corner, penalty or throw-in????

 

You took the same approach last year, and shun every other people views. You look at the world through those blue tints and seem blind to anything to the contrary. The problem with you, and likewise the BSPA, they put little interest into the feelings of the fans. They need to realise that no fans, then no sponsorships. No fans then no sport.

 

I have read many opinions about the quality of the Elite league, and feel the introduction of NL races into the EL program is of prime importance and the fans should know of this beforehand. Obviously from your comment above, its not that important. I suggest you take your head out of the sand and see the real world, ask yourself, why are Fans turning away ?, Why are clubs folding ? ; why are top riders turning their backs? . and the answer to all those questions is down to the way our sport in run.

 

But don't worry..... Like you say END OF !!!!!!!

 

Ps. As for your last sentence liking football to speedway says it all. There is no similarity between the two. But to put what you say into perspective, would you go along to Old Trafford to watch the Man Utd if they had to use Oldham defence or a Coventry midfield...... that's nearer to the point..... Who takes the free kicks is irrelevant...

[Mike.Butler]

its not THAT important, but indicative of the back-of-a-fag-packet approach all too prevalent

[SteveLyric2]

 

You took the same approach last year, and shun every other people views. You look at the world through those blue tints and seem blind to anything to the contrary. The problem with you, and likewise the BSPA, they put little interest into the feelings of the fans. They need to realise that no fans, then no sponsorships. No fans then no sport.

 

I have read many opinions about the quality of the Elite league, and feel the introduction of NL races into the EL program is of prime importance and the fans should know of this beforehand. Obviously from your comment above, its not that important. I suggest you take your head out of the sand and see the real world, ask yourself, why are Fans turning away ?, Why are clubs folding ? ; why are top riders turning their backs? . and the answer to all those questions is down to the way our sport in run.

 

But don't worry..... Like you say END OF !!!!!!!

 

Ps. As for your last sentence liking football to speedway says it all. There is no similarity between the two. But to put what you say into perspective, would you go along to Old Trafford to watch the Man Utd if they had to use Oldham defence or a Coventry midfield...... that's nearer to the point..... Who takes the free kicks is irrelevant...

The topic is about the heat formula not the current make up of teams or the strength of the league, or how many races the Elite Reserves are in - the latter is not expected to change from 2014, unless they insist on both reserves taking 4 rides minimum?! The main change expected is around the away number 4 getting an earlier first race than waiting til heat 5!

 

Not sure what 'blue tints' has to do with anything?? Don't Kings Lynn ride in blue? I'm a fan of 30 years + and would like to think fairly intelligent (although others may disagree). Like others on here it doesn't concern me one jot that as a fan I don't know who is going to be in what race until I get to the meeting. I know the 3 heat leaders will get 4 or 5 rides each and that there will be 15 heats involving the 7 riders that I know are in my team unless any are missing through injury etc.

 

If I bring someone new to a meeting, as I have on many many occasions, do you really think they wouldn't attend unless they knew the race format 2 months in advance.

 

Enjoy your moaning and Happy New Year!!

Edited January 1, 2015 by Skidder1

[E I Addio]

It's quite amazing that those who know least about the rule making process are the first ones too criticise it.

 

The SCB is affiliated to the ACU who are affiliated to the FIM. Therefore the SCB rules have to be consistent with FIM rules, now, let's try ha bit of lateral thinking . There is at least one very major topic that has been discussed on here and in Speedway Star that is awaiting s decision for the FIM . Of course the moaners will not know what it is because it suits them to be in ignorance of such things so they can continue with their whinging and whining, but I'll give them a clue. It's somsthing to to with a Rule 10 relating to machine standards. That is just one thing that has been well publicised but possibly their is more technical spec to come from the FIM that has not been publicised. So clearly the SCB regulations cannot be finalised until they get the nod from the FIM.

 

Also I think the NL promoters don't meet till January and the final post AGM meeting of the othe promoters is usually in January so it's diifficult to see how the Regulations could be finalised earlier.

 

Finally , there is usually a meeting of SCB officials ie machine examiners etc or at least the newly qualified ones each season and it's reasonable that such meeting should betake place so they get the rules before they are in the public domain.

 

Frankly it's quite astonishing that of all the massive problems facing the sport the same few wingers constantly bleat off about the most trivial.

Edited January 1, 2015 by E I Addio