New Speedway Engine

[barncooseboy]

Expected to be available from January is a New Speedway engine designed by respected tuner Marcel Gerhard, however it is believed to be about £6K.

[THE DEAN MACHINE]

Expected to be available from January is a New Speedway engine designed by respected tuner Marcel Gerhard, however it is believed to be about £6K.

brilliant just what speedway needs, we've got a sinking ship and people throw in bricks Edited December 29, 2014 by THE DEAN MACHINE

[PHILIPRISING]

BELIEVE that the new engine, if it actually materialises, will in the long run prove much more economical than current GMs ... will come pre-built, not in kit form, stronger, longer lasting components, fewer service requirements, more easily adaptable to different tracks (could mean riders require fewer engines) and a lot more that, as I understand, is in the pipeline.

 

Might be an impossible target, but an engine that can run for 10 hours (600 races) without any deterioration in performance would last a whole season. Wouldn't call that a brick...

Edited December 29, 2014 by PHILIPRISING

[waco]

It remains to be seen and proven before any riders would throw considerably extra money at it...

[tyretrax]

Glasgow have ordered 14 (2 each) Money no object.

[foamfence]

BELIEVE that the new engine, if it actually materialises, will in the long run prove much more economical than current GMs ... will come pre-built, not in kit form, stronger, longer lasting components, fewer service requirements, more easily adaptable to different tracks (could mean riders require fewer engines) and a lot more that, as I understand, is in the pipeline.

 

Might be an impossible target, but an engine that can run for 10 hours (600 races) without any deterioration in performance would last a whole season. Wouldn't call that a brick...

If it becomes the next 'required' item, there might well be a lot bankrupting themselves to buy a few. You know what they're like, if a few GP riders get them, they will become the required steed even down to MDL level.

[THE DEAN MACHINE]

BELIEVE that the new engine, if it actually materialises, will in the long run prove much more economical than current GMs ... will come pre-built, not in kit form, stronger, longer lasting components, fewer service requirements, more easily adaptable to different tracks (could mean riders require fewer engines) and a lot more that, as I understand, is in the pipeline.

 

Might be an impossible target, but an engine that can run for 10 hours (600 races) without any deterioration in performance would last a whole season. Wouldn't call that a brick...

let me enlighten you Phillip ,I assume you drive a reliable car ? Well sit on your drive put your car in neutral and Rev it non stop at 10,000 revs if it will go that high and see how long it lasts , there isn't an engine on the world that wouldn't deterioration at that revs ,it's not needed

[PHILIPRISING]

If it becomes the next 'required' item, there might well be a lot bankrupting themselves to buy a few. You know what they're like, if a few GP riders get them, they will become the required steed even down to MDL level.

 

BUT if (and it remains a big if at present) the engines were to prove far more economical over the course of a season and actually save riders money why would they bankrupt themselves?

 

Some riders are paying the sort of money quoted earlier (£6,000) for GMs once they have added all the trick stuff and had them finely tuned. And many are going back for servicing every 15 or so races.

let me enlighten you Phillip ,I assume you drive a reliable car ? Well sit on your drive put your car in neutral and Rev it non stop at 10,000 revs if it will go that high and see how long it lasts , there isn't an engine on the world that wouldn't deterioration at that revs ,it's not needed

So you prefer GM to retain a monopoly and have the market to themselves? I wouldn't pretend to have anything like your knowledge of the mechanics of a speedway engine but Gerhard is no fool.

 

600 races is obviously a pipe-dream but even a fraction of that would represent a massive step forward.

Edited December 29, 2014 by PHILIPRISING

[foamfence]

 

BUT if (and it remains a big if at present) the engines were to prove far more economical over the course of a season and actually save riders money why would they bankrupt themselves?

 

Some riders are paying the sort of money quoted earlier (£6,000) for GMs once they have added all the trick stuff and had them finely tuned. And many are going back for servicing every 15 or so races.

So you prefer GM to retain a monopoly and have the market to themselves? I wouldn't pretend to have anything like your knowledge of the mechanics of a speedway engine but Gerhard is no fool.

 

600 races is obviously a pipe-dream but even a fraction of that would represent a massive step forward.

I agree about 'some' riders costs, but this would spread right down the ranks, like Ebola at a Glasgow meeting.

[THE DEAN MACHINE]

 

BUT if (and it remains a big if at present) the engines were to prove far more economical over the course of a season and actually save riders money why would they bankrupt themselves?

 

Some riders are paying the sort of money quoted earlier (£6,000) for GMs once they have added all the trick stuff and had them finely tuned. And many are going back for servicing every 15 or so races.

 

So you prefer GM to retain a monopoly and have the market to themselves? I wouldn't pretend to have anything like your knowledge of the mechanics of a speedway engine but Gerhard is no fool.

 

600 races is obviously a pipe-dream but even a fraction of that would represent a massive step forward.

you would be lucky to get 100 races out of any engine at that Rev and gerhard is no fool neither is Peter johns but they are just business men trying to make a living ,you can't blame them but it's doing nothing for speedway

[Triple.H.]

Terrible post you should hang your head in shame

My post is in relation to the post by Foamfence

Edited December 29, 2014 by Triple.H.

[THE DEAN MACHINE]

All this is doing is making speedway further and further away from the sport it was , if I'm wrong then I will apologise to the 1000s on the terraces next season

[PHILIPRISING]

you would be lucky to get 100 races out of any engine at that Rev and gerhard is no fool neither is Peter johns but they are just business men trying to make a living ,you can't blame them but it's doing nothing for speedway

BUT with respect tuners don't want engines to run for any real length of time. It would cut down on servicing which is where they make money.

 

I know of one GP rider who paid his tuner over £7,000 for a new engine and after two rounds sent it back for a service costing several hundred pounds. There has to be scope to improve on that surely?

 

An engine that performed at least as well as a GM but required far less maintenance and was more versatile could over the course of a season actually cut costs for riders at all levels.

 

The real problem facing any one hoping to develop and market a new engine is the cost of getting it up and running and the relatively small market that is available.

All this is doing is making speedway further and further away from the sport it was , if I'm wrong then I will apologise to the 1000s on the terraces next season

WOULD the opposite not be true if it proved to save riders a significant sum over the course of a season?

Edited December 29, 2014 by PHILIPRISING

[THE DEAN MACHINE]

BUT with respect tuners don't want engines to run for any real length of time. It would cut down on servicing which is where they make money.

 

I know of one GP rider who paid his tuner over £7,000 for a new engine and after two rounds sent it back for a service costing several hundred pounds. There has to be scope to improve on that surely?

 

An engine that performed at least as well as a GM but required far less maintenance and was more versatile could over the course of a season actually cut costs for riders at all levels.

 

The real problem facing any one hoping to develop and market a new engine is the cost of getting it up and running and the relatively small market that is available.

 

WOULD the opposite not be true if it proved to save riders a significant sum over the course of a season?

but the fact is it just won't happen ,there are Pistons availible at £450 ,double the price of a GM or other pistons and tuners will say they are better but in reality they are not they are the same but one rider wins a meeting with one and everyone wants one ,it won't save riders anything and that's unfortunately the reality of it ,riders and tuners just want the advantage and that's where the money problem starts ,. I wish I didnt care anymore but unfortunately for me I do

[PHILIPRISING]

but the fact is it just won't happen ,there are Pistons availible at £450 ,double the price of a GM or other pistons and tuners will say they are better but in reality they are not they are the same but one rider wins a meeting with one and everyone wants one ,it won't save riders anything and that's unfortunately the reality of it ,riders and tuners just want the advantage and that's where the money problem starts ,. I wish I didnt care anymore but unfortunately for me I do

YOU actually seem to be making a case for a new engine that doesn't require all the tricky stuff.

[THE DEAN MACHINE]

YOU actually seem to be making a case for a new engine that doesn't require all the tricky stuff.

i am and jawa can make that engine for around £1200 with jawa bits ,it's basically the 2valve ice racing engine that they make with slight changes for speedway but it needs the backing of the leagues throughout the world , jawa can make a strong engine but speedway won't take on the idea , I have been talking about this idea for s while now but speedway is run by people who are in it for their own gains and not the good of the sport Edited December 29, 2014 by THE DEAN MACHINE

[tyretrax]

Terrible post you should hang your head in shame

My post is in relation to the post by Foamfence

Seems to have a fixation about this even gives it a mention in Glasgow thread. Maybe hasn't heard about a case in Glasgow.

[Humphrey Appleby]

BELIEVE that the new engine, if it actually materialises, will in the long run prove much more economical than current GMs ... will come pre-built, not in kit form, stronger, longer lasting components, fewer service requirements, more easily adaptable to different tracks (could mean riders require fewer engines) and a lot more that, as I understand, is in the pipeline.

Might be an impossible target, but an engine that can run for 10 hours (600 races) without any deterioration in performance would last a whole season. Wouldn't call that a brick...

 

Just about every racing engine that comes out claims to be longer lasting and more economical, but it's not long before someone puts different parts in them or changes something that requires more frequent service intervals. Would seem a big if...

[theknow 2]

BUT with respect tuners don't want engines to run for any real length of time. It would cut down on servicing which is where they make money.

 

I know of one GP rider who paid his tuner over £7,000 for a new engine and after two rounds sent it back for a service costing several hundred pounds. There has to be scope to improve on that surely?

 

An engine that performed at least as well as a GM but required far less maintenance and was more versatile could over the course of a season actually cut costs for riders at all levels.

 

The real problem facing any one hoping to develop and market a new engine is the cost of getting it up and running and the relatively small market that is available.

WOULD the opposite not be true if it proved to save riders a significant sum over the course of a season?

The reason the GM does not last long is down to its very poor design, lack of lubricant and being tuned beyond its design brief. Yes a new engine is long over due and will reduce the large service and purchase costs of the so called tuners.

[Starman2006]

BELIEVE that the new engine, if it actually materialises, will in the long run prove much more economical than current GMs ... will come pre-built, not in kit form, stronger, longer lasting components, fewer service requirements, more easily adaptable to different tracks (could mean riders require fewer engines) and a lot more that, as I understand, is in the pipeline.

 

Might be an impossible target, but an engine that can run for 10 hours (600 races) without any deterioration in performance would last a whole season. Wouldn't call that a brick...

Brilliant, which Lawnmower did it come out of ? I couldn't give a monkeys how economical it is it will do nothing for the sport. They already tampered with the Exhurst now they want to bugger about with the Engine, what will it be next ?? Ah, ang on, the fuel !!

Edited December 30, 2014 by Starman2006