uk_martin Posted January 4, 2015 Author Report Share Posted January 4, 2015 Negativity isn't going to help anything. All I can say is that I believe Go Speed have the best interests of British Speedway at heart and it's not always as clear cut as it seems. If stating the facts is being negative, then you have to examine why the facts are negative, not why they are being stated. Also, on your point about the best interests of British Speedway (I love that phrase - are you CVS in real life?) answer me this, Firstly, WHY did GoSpeed prevent Birmingham Brummies from having a fantastic publicity opportunity in the City Centre in 2011? Secondly, is this why GoSpeed have bought the worldwide broadcast rights to Polish Speedway, just so that the Polish product could be embargo'd from being seen by the British public, in case it shows up the British product on a Monday as a pale shadow of what happens in Poland on the Sunday? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Leslie Posted January 4, 2015 Report Share Posted January 4, 2015 (edited) British Knock Out Cup TournamentsAfter the League set up in the UK, the Knock Out Cup competitions within each league offer amazing action. With the cut and thrust element that creates cup magic in many sports, not least in speedway with many magic moments, victory's and heartaches that only cup fever can bring, Cup speedway is an excellent spectacle. Let's hope no one takes up GoSpeed on this offer to sponsor the EL KOC. (assuming they ignore the spelling and terrible grammar mistakes). As for the Colombian websites, try telling anyone the address of any club website and they will say "Don't you mean .com or .co.uk I wonder how many emails clubs don't actually receive because people will not expect a British sport to have a Colombian connection and will automatically think they need to correct it to .co.uk Edited January 4, 2015 by John Leslie 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Turner Posted January 5, 2015 Report Share Posted January 5, 2015 (edited) I'm a full time Professional Sports Coach working longer hours per week than most people, I've built and maintain my own personal website and manage all my own social media outlets. I always try to maintain a high SEO (Search Engine Optimisation) for everything I do and fortunately I’ve been very successful on the old internet! I have 2 friends that are in the same work area as me and I’ve built their websites and advised them on what to do social media wise. All of the above I’ve taught myself to do! Now if I can do all that with a full time job how come Go Speed need several staff and lots of money? Because maintaining and SEO'ing one website is relatively easy. Developing and managing an online presence for a national sport with multiple websites and clubs, all relating to seperate clubs, and all affected by terms set out by various different rights holders is a much bigger project. It is certainly not a one man job and is not even comparable to SEO'ing a personal website and social media account. Edited January 5, 2015 by Snorlax Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Long Eye Posted January 5, 2015 Report Share Posted January 5, 2015 Now if I can do all that with a full time job how come Go Speed need several staff and lots of money? More to the point, isn't that their job anyway? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Turner Posted January 5, 2015 Report Share Posted January 5, 2015 (edited) If stating the facts is being negative, then you have to examine why the facts are negative, not why they are being stated. Also, on your point about the best interests of British Speedway (I love that phrase - are you CVS in real life?) answer me this, Firstly, WHY did GoSpeed prevent Birmingham Brummies from having a fantastic publicity opportunity in the City Centre in 2011? Secondly, is this why GoSpeed have bought the worldwide broadcast rights to Polish Speedway, just so that the Polish product could be embargo'd from being seen by the British public, in case it shows up the British product on a Monday as a pale shadow of what happens in Poland on the Sunday? You'll probably find it comes very much down to TV rights. TV rights net the biggest profits for Speedway and those deals do not come without big contracts. These contracts normally cover a vast amount more than simply the rights to broadcast the program as the broadcaster will want to retain the majority of rights to all forms of recorded speedway. The broadcaster will then divulge the rights to third party companies at their discretion. When you deal with big broadcasters it can often take weeks or months to come to an arrangement. Often the broadcaster will refuse these things, for no apparent reason, simply to protect their brand and rights. I can't say this is for sure the reason, but I can say that there are many people working very long hours behind the scenes to take care of this sport and it is not likely they would ever refuse something like this just for the sake of it. Edited January 5, 2015 by Snorlax Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uk_martin Posted January 5, 2015 Author Report Share Posted January 5, 2015 Let's hope no one takes up GoSpeed on this offer to sponsor the EL KOC. (assuming they ignore the spelling and terrible grammar mistakes). Not to mention the Super7: Super 7even - The UK's 7 biggest and best domestic speedway events The Super 7even series of race meetings encompasses the seven biggest domestic speedway events in the UK. These events are the pinnacle of the domestic racing season and cover all leagues and titles, including The Final of the British Championships The Final of the British Under 21 Championships The Elite League pairs championships (the top 2 riders of each team work as a pair to take the title) The Premier League pairs championships (the Premier League version of the above run the day before the British GP at Cardiff in front of a huge crowd at Somerset Speedway) The Premier League Fours Championships (An event that serves up some of the best action and a day out for fans of Premier League racing) The Elite League Riders Championships (An event with huge history and prestige, the top 16 riders from the Elite League do battle for this renowned title) The Premier League Riders Championships (The Premier League version of the above with no less impetus than the Elite version this is the biggest event of the year for Premier League riders. So shouldn't the Super7 now be a Super6? Was the ELRC changed to ERC for last year when it became an "invite who you can and mess people around with the dates championship"? Or did they forget to change it, and out of luck rather than judgement, it's gone back to being an ELRC agin for 2015? You'll probably find it comes very much down to TV rights. TV rights net the biggest profits for Speedway and these deals do not come without big contracts. These contracts normally cover a vast amount more than simply broadcasting the program as the broadcaster will want to retain the majority of rights. The broadcaster will likely own the rights to all forms of recorded speedway in their country of broadcast and they then divulge the rights to third party companies at their discretion. When you deal with big broadcasters it can often take weeks or months to come to an arrangement. Often the broadcaster will refuse these things, for no apparent reason, simply to protect their rights. TOTAL TOSH. Let me quote you from GoSpeed's own web site: Go Speed International Ltd [GSI] is a specialist sports media rights agency that, for over 15 years, has managed media licenses from and on behalf of, the BSPA [british Speedway Promoters Association] and their brand Speedway Great Britain [sGB]. Based near London, England, GSIs’ licensing rights includes Speedway’s ‘Team GB’ on the occasions that it is not involved in ‘World-Cup’ events. GSI is also responsible for managing the current BSKYB, SKY SPORTS, BSPA Speedway GB media license for the UK and Ireland on the BSPA's behalf. GSI holds the exclusive International media for all Digital Platforms and all Merchandising Rights for SpeedwayGB which includes the Sky Sports Elite League and the Premier League. GoSpeed are in control. End of. There is no way that you can palm off blame onto SkySports for witholding the use of independently produced audio and video footage. GoSpeed claim to own all the copyrights of all media shot in speedway stadiums (what a little monopoly that is, for nobody's benefit !) so it was Ronnie Russells's say-so and no-one else's that was needed. The only thing that was stopping Ronnie Russell from giving permission, in my opinion, was that there was no profit to him in it for doing so. A hallmark of everything that's wrong with the sport in this country. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Turner Posted January 5, 2015 Report Share Posted January 5, 2015 (edited) Not to mention the Super7: So shouldn't the Super7 now be a Super6? Was the ELRC changed to ERC for last year when it became an "invite who you can and mess people around with the dates championship"? Or did they forget to change it, and out of luck rather than judgement, it's gone back to being an ELRC agin for 2015? TOTAL TOSH. Let me quote you from GoSpeed's own web site: GoSpeed are in control. End of. There is no way that you can palm off blame onto SkySports for witholding the use of independently produced audio and video footage. GoSpeed claim to own all the copyrights of all media shot in speedway stadiums (what a little monopoly that is, for nobody's benefit !) so it was Ronnie Russells's say-so and no-one else's that was needed. The only thing that was stopping Ronnie Russell from giving permission, in my opinion, was that there was no profit to him in it for doing so. A hallmark of everything that's wrong with the sport in this country. Wrong. You've no idea what you're talking about. Sky Sports control all rights to all forms of recorded British League Speedway in the UK and they will continue to do so until at least 2018. And yes, that independently recorded footage is still governed by the broadcaster as part of their contract. GoSpeed own the rights and Sky Sports control the rights as part of their contract. Edited January 5, 2015 by Snorlax Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uk_martin Posted January 5, 2015 Author Report Share Posted January 5, 2015 GoSpeed own the rights and Sky Sports control the rights as part of their contract. So what you are basically saying is that os that SkySports control the sport and how it's allowed to present itself to the population at large? They have nothing else to do to pass the time of day right? And if SkySports don't want a team to be promoted then they have the right, as controllers of media rights, to strangle the life out of the media exposure that a club can be given? Are you serious? This is what you say is "in the best interests of British Speedway" right? So there's one for you...BBC and ITV, whose sports coverage everyone says is not nearly enough, the fault lies not with the BBC or ITV, it's all SkySports's fault, according to what you are saying. SkySport control what's able to get out there. That's what the impact of what you are saying isn't it? It's up to SkySports whether ITV and BBC can show speedway on their local and national news and sports programmes??? IF that's right, why isn't it the fault of SloSpeed who agreed to the handing over of control of media exposure, in return for the big proportion of the pieces of silver that were handed over by SkySports. Terry Russell is OK Jack isn't he? He has been getting his pieces of silver in his pocket every year, To hell with everyone else eh? All in the best interests of British Speedway Terry Russell... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Turner Posted January 5, 2015 Report Share Posted January 5, 2015 (edited) So what you are basically saying is that os that SkySports control the sport and how it's allowed to present itself to the population at large? They have nothing else to do to pass the time of day right? And if SkySports don't want a team to be promoted then they have the right, as controllers of media rights, to strangle the life out of the media exposure that a club can be given? Are you serious? This is what you say is "in the best interests of British Speedway" right? So there's one for you...BBC and ITV, whose sports coverage everyone says is not nearly enough, the fault lies not with the BBC or ITV, it's all SkySports's fault, according to what you are saying. SkySport control what's able to get out there. That's what the impact of what you are saying isn't it? It's up to SkySports whether ITV and BBC can show speedway on their local and national news and sports programmes??? IF that's right, why isn't it the fault of SloSpeed who agreed to the handing over of control of media exposure, in return for the big proportion of the pieces of silver that were handed over by SkySports. Terry Russell is OK Jack isn't he? He has been getting his pieces of silver in his pocket every year, To hell with everyone else eh? All in the best interests of British Speedway Terry Russell... No, that isn't what I said at all. I said Sky Sports control the rights to recorded speedway. Any use of recorded speedway outside of contract would need to be approved by Sky first, which can take weeks or even months to make it through their operating procedures and even then they are likely to refuse permission for some reason. If it weren't for their deal with Sky, there would be no money entering the sport from television rights and it would be sorely missed. I also have no idea why you think this is the exclusive work of Terry Russell? I know you might not like the situation, but unfortunately that's just the way it has to be. Speedway isn't exactly a sport with broadcasters lining up to put a deal on the table. It isn't a case of Go Speed recklessly throwing around rights, it isn't the case that somebody at the top of the chain is trying to destroy the sport by crippling it's public exposure, it's merely a case of protecting very valuable and fragile broadcasting deals that are worth much more than one night's exposure at some event. Like I said, I cannot say with any certainty that this is what happened, but it is the most likely explaination and my facts are correct. Take it or leave it. Edited January 5, 2015 by Snorlax Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vince Posted January 5, 2015 Report Share Posted January 5, 2015 So from now until the couple of years it takes GoSpeed to get their masterplan in place presumably clubs will be given completely free rein to promote as and how they wish. Including using video clips (excepting from Sky if that is a major issue) and any domain they feel suitable. After all two years in social media is a hell of a long time to waste and surely GoSpeed would have the advantage of seeing what worked best for individual clubs. It could all be tied in to a cohesive plan covering the sport once everything is in place! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reliant Robin Posted January 5, 2015 Report Share Posted January 5, 2015 So from now until the couple of years it takes GoSpeed to get their masterplan in place presumably clubs will be given completely free rein to promote as and how they wish. Including using video clips (excepting from Sky if that is a major issue) and any domain they feel suitable. After all two years in social media is a hell of a long time to waste and surely GoSpeed would have the advantage of seeing what worked best for individual clubs. It could all be tied in to a cohesive plan covering the sport once everything is in place! No, because Sky are the only ones with rights to any and all recorded footage. DVD Companies are allowed to operate under that agreement - selling DVD's only. My understanding is that Clubs are allowed to use video clips etc on their own websites - but any 3rd party could be deemed to be in competition with Sky - and so any uploading of footage would go against the Sky agreement and not an issue of spite!! Believe it or not - the .co domain was not down to Go Speed despite popular belief. The only directive was that Official Club websites were hosted on one server and were not owned by any 3rd Parties. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted January 5, 2015 Report Share Posted January 5, 2015 As for the Colombian websites, try telling anyone the address of any club website and they will say "Don't you mean .com or .co.uk I wonder how many emails clubs don't actually receive because people will not expect a British sport to have a Colombian connection and will automatically think they need to correct it to .co.uk It's a joke. Someone hears about Coventry Speedway. They're hardly going to type coventryBEES.CO into their address bar. The Addresses should be coventrySPEEDWAY.CO.UK. So town/city/county name followed by the word speedway and .co.uk. I get the whole consistency thing but not to this extent. That said, there is nothing at all from stopping clubs buying these domains and pointing them at their websites anyway. But how many have? How many don't get the internet so have just happily accepted the BSI way. Believe it or not - the .co domain was not down to Go Speed despite popular belief. The only directive was that Official Club websites were hosted on one server and were not owned by any 3rd Parties. And there the issue. That was the directive, and someone at BSPA towers who can use Word and is the computer expert decided that meant domain names as they don't understand the terminology used. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grachan Posted January 5, 2015 Report Share Posted January 5, 2015 I would think that most people who want to view a website on Coventry Speedway would type "Coventry Speedway" into Google and then click on the link. I can't see the .co having any real effect on that. how often do you actually type in the full address of a website you wish to view? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Leslie Posted January 5, 2015 Report Share Posted January 5, 2015 After all two years in social media is a hell of a long time to waste I believe it does take some time to join the Colombian version of twitter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted January 5, 2015 Report Share Posted January 5, 2015 (edited) I would think that most people who want to view a website on Coventry Speedway would type "Coventry Speedway" into Google and then click on the link. I can't see the .co having any real effect on that. how often do you actually type in the full address of a website you wish to view? I guess it's a fair point but do you know one of the best ways to get a high ranking on a search engine? Get your domain name right! .co.uk will get a higher thanking on google.co.uk than a .co domain will. As it is, after a few years of use I'm guessing most of the .co names have made it to the top of google now though. Why don't Sheffield use SheffieldTigers.co though? Edited January 5, 2015 by SCB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Leslie Posted January 5, 2015 Report Share Posted January 5, 2015 I would think that most people who want to view a website on Coventry Speedway would type "Coventry Speedway" into Google and then click on the link. I can't see the .co having any real effect on that. how often do you actually type in the full address of a website you wish to view? But someone looking for further information about the club, (or god forbid, wanting to enquire about sponsorship opportunities) might see an email address like info@coventrybees.co and naturally assume that the bit is missing off the end. When they mistakenly correct the address to info@coventrybees.co.uk they will get no reply, and there's a potential supporter/sponsor lost. Show a .co email address to any group of random people and I guarantee more will believe that the end has been missed off than will believe that a professional sport buys its domains in Colombia. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uk_martin Posted January 5, 2015 Author Report Share Posted January 5, 2015 How many clubs will have gone under between now and when SloSpeed get their act together? How many fans will lose their teams? But who cares about them eh? As long as the establishment looks after the establishment and the bureaucracy looks after the bureaucracy and Terry Russell's pockets contain all the pieces of silver that they should then all will be well with the world won't it? WHAT A MESS! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reliant Robin Posted January 5, 2015 Report Share Posted January 5, 2015 How many clubs will have gone under between now and when SloSpeed get their act together? How many fans will lose their teams? But who cares about them eh? As long as the establishment looks after the establishment and the bureaucracy looks after the bureaucracy and Terry Russell's pockets contain all the pieces of silver that they should then all will be well with the world won't it? WHAT A MESS! What is it exactly that they're holding up again, or are you just ranting for the sake of it? As I understand their primary objective is to secure and manage television rights for British Speedway in UK & Overseas, and as I see it they haven't done too bad. I have in fact read somewhere that without Terry Russell there would be zero income from TV Revenue as nobody else within Speedway would have got a TV deal this time around. If you are again ranting that Clubs cannot post their videos and footage to every single social media site going, then read previous posts - this would be against the TV contract, and without that TV income many more Clubs would not be operating at the level that they are. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyJ Posted January 5, 2015 Report Share Posted January 5, 2015 (edited) Some new-ish poster called Snorlax has been banging on that he/she thinks the SCB/BSPA/Terry Russell/ GoTheive are on the verge of launching some new super-duper social media experience which will revolutionise the sport..... Snorlax has been around here for quite some time and known for most of that time as Synikalle (10 username changes show on the profile). As Synikalle I believe he offered his services as a marketing expert... EDIT: http://www.speedway-forum.co.uk/forums/index.php?showtopic=75240&page=76 is an example... Edited January 5, 2015 by Tkdandy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reliant Robin Posted January 5, 2015 Report Share Posted January 5, 2015 (edited) Some new-ish poster called Snorlax has been banging on that he/she thinks the SCB/BSPA/Terry Russell are on the verge of launching some new super-duper social media experience which will revolutionise the sport..... ....however it will take them a couple of years to do it! So that's what he's claiming they're holding up...It seems it needs two years of GoThieve manpower to open up 20 odd Colombian twitter accounts. Of course the reality is Snorlax knows no more than the rest of us about the goings-on at the previously insolvent GoTheive HQ I've no idea what could take a couple of years to put in place - my response was more to the sentence "How many clubs will have gone under between now and when get their act together?" Many more Clubs would have already gone under had it not been for the substantial revenue generated for the Sport by Go Speed. Snorlax has been around here for quite some time and known for most of that time as Synikalle (10 username changes show on the profile). As Synikalle I believe he offered his services as a marketing expert... EDIT: http://www.speedway-forum.co.uk/forums/index.php?showtopic=75240&page=76 is an example... Ah, that makes sense then. This project that will take 2 years to move along is non-existent then. Edited January 12, 2015 by Phil Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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