weatherwatcher Posted December 15, 2014 Report Share Posted December 15, 2014 I agree they should set up some meeting for the under 21 riders against the other counties who are top of the pile. Without them riding against the worlds up and coming talent, they are never going to progress above what they are doing now. That is FTR, PL and NL leagues. With the promoters not offering the chance to make a full team place and with them just staying as things are now they are never going to progess any further. Give the at least 4 or 5 test matches every year to bring them on. Other wise you can write British speedway from ever competing at a top level in 3 or 4 years time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uk_martin Posted December 15, 2014 Author Report Share Posted December 15, 2014 We made the final last year so why change anything. Be real. We got to the final because Australia coq'd up big style. They lost it rather than GB winning it. I agree they should set up some meeting for the under 21 riders against the other counties who are top of the pile. So why don't the BSPA / SCB enter a u21 team into the FIM u21 SWC? - or is that because apart from Adam Ellis and Rob Lambert, we don't have any worthy riders under the age of 21? The resf of our "young hopefuls" in the fast track system are over 21 and as old as 28. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arnieg Posted December 15, 2014 Report Share Posted December 15, 2014 So why don't the BSPA / SCB enter a u21 team into the FIM u21 SWC? - or is that because apart from Adam Ellis and Rob Lambert, we don't have any worthy riders under the age of 21? The resf of our "young hopefuls" in the fast track system are over 21 and as old as 28. Er...! They did And they did quite well coming just three points behind an Australian team featuring Nick Morris and Max Fricke http://www.internationalspeedway.co.uk/wjtc14.htm Of last year's team only Garrity will no longer be eligible. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Triple.H. Posted December 15, 2014 Report Share Posted December 15, 2014 Great (bloody) Britain. It's not rocket science. I concur 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ch958 Posted December 15, 2014 Report Share Posted December 15, 2014 (edited) I concur did you hear about the most agreeable invading army of all time? They came, they saw, they concurred. Edited December 15, 2014 by ch958 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uk_martin Posted December 15, 2014 Author Report Share Posted December 15, 2014 Er...! They did Correct - in the past tense. Came third in a semi-final beating Germany (good job there wasn't a penalty shoot-out wasn't it?) and only out-scoring Germany and Finland out of the 8 teams in the semi-finals. Not what I would call "doing quite well" or anything to be satisfied about unless it was a stepping stone in a long-term process...SO why is there is no news about an entry into the 2015 competition? From reading the International section of BSF it looks like the BSPA are entering no-one into the SEC, no-one into the Best Pairs, and only one rider into the u21's. Nothing has been said about an entry into the u21 SWC. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Falcon Hammer Posted December 16, 2014 Report Share Posted December 16, 2014 Correct - in the past tense. Came third in a semi-final beating Germany (good job there wasn't a penalty shoot-out wasn't it?) and only out-scoring Germany and Finland out of the 8 teams in the semi-finals. Not what I would call "doing quite well" or anything to be satisfied about unless it was a stepping stone in a long-term process...SO why is there is no news about an entry into the 2015 competition? From reading the International section of BSF it looks like the BSPA are entering no-one into the SEC, no-one into the Best Pairs, and only one rider into the u21's. Nothing has been said about an entry into the u21 SWC. Quite right uk martin Could also select riders for European Pairs, European Junior Team, SEC Individual & Junior European Individual - Plenty of experience to be had out there Think we need to select a few riders to compete in both the World & European events & assist them through the rounds I know it's annoying having guests, but some sacrifices are needed to improve British riders. In Cricket & Rugby Union, clubs play second fiddle to the National team British riders are living in a cushy little bubble, whilst there's a big exciting world out there 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arnieg Posted December 16, 2014 Report Share Posted December 16, 2014 Correct - in the past tense. Came third in a semi-final beating Germany (good job there wasn't a penalty shoot-out wasn't it?) and only out-scoring Germany and Finland out of the 8 teams in the semi-finals. Not what I would call "doing quite well" or anything to be satisfied about unless it was a stepping stone in a long-term process...SO why is there is no news about an entry into the 2015 competition? From reading the International section of BSF it looks like the BSPA are entering no-one into the SEC, no-one into the Best Pairs, and only one rider into the u21's. Nothing has been said about an entry into the u21 SWC. Don't be so negative Would you not agree that it represents considerable progress on 2011 when Team GB finished behind Germany in the European Under 19 Semi Final. I too would be very disappointed if we didn't enter the under 21 World Team Cup. And we really ought to be entering riders in the World and European under 21 competitions. Not competing in the Onesport Pairs is a statement to the world that we've given up, but the FIM-Europe Pairs is a bit of a mickey mouse event, but maybe we should use it to get younger riders more continental experience. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted December 16, 2014 Report Share Posted December 16, 2014 Don't be so negative Would you not agree that it represents considerable progress on 2011 when Team GB finished behind Germany in the European Under 19 Semi Final. I too would be very disappointed if we didn't enter the under 21 World Team Cup. And we really ought to be entering riders in the World and European under 21 competitions. Not competing in the Onesport Pairs is a statement to the world that we've given up, but the FIM-Europe Pairs is a bit of a mickey mouse event, but maybe we should use it to get younger riders more continental experience. You say negative, I say he's quite realistic tbf. We should never have been behind Germany and frankly, 6th place is a bit crap - the positive is I think we look like having a decent bunch of youngsters at the moment though, so lets hope they carry on the improvement we have seen. Also agree on the SEC. We should be sending Craig Cook to these types of meeting. 1 meeting outside the UK and then people wonder why he can't get a job in Poland or Sweden! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woz01 Posted December 16, 2014 Report Share Posted December 16, 2014 (edited) Be real. We got to the final because Australia coq'd up big style. They lost it rather than GB winning it. That's just rubbish GB fully deserved the win that night. What's the point in nurturing riders in a World Cup that is not what a world cup is for. Correct - in the past tense. Came third in a semi-final beating Germany (good job there wasn't a penalty shoot-out wasn't it?) and only out-scoring Germany and Finland out of the 8 teams in the semi-finals. Not what I would call "doing quite well" or anything to be satisfied about unless it was a stepping stone in a long-term process...SO why is there is no news about an entry into the 2015 competition? From reading the International section of BSF it looks like the BSPA are entering no-one into the SEC, no-one into the Best Pairs, and only one rider into the u21's. Nothing has been said about an entry into the u21 SWC. The qualifier with GB was close between the top 3, GB were not far away from qualifying for the final, I think they may have been leading going into the last fee heats. I agree if we don't send a team into the u21's this year that will be a disgrace. Edited December 16, 2014 by woz01 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
customhouseregular Posted December 16, 2014 Report Share Posted December 16, 2014 I'm just sad at the state of our sport in this country and our inability to nurture riders the way Poland, Denmark and Sweden do.Rose-coloured glasses I know but oh for the days when GB had a Test side worth its name. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted December 16, 2014 Report Share Posted December 16, 2014 I'm just sad at the state of our sport in this country and our inability to nurture riders the way Poland, Denmark and Sweden do.Rose-coloured glasses I know but oh for the days when GB had a Test side worth its name. TBF, the Swedes are hardly throwing superstars at the rest of the World. It's basically Poland and Denmark vs the World! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
customhouseregular Posted December 16, 2014 Report Share Posted December 16, 2014 TBF, the Swedes are hardly throwing superstars at the rest of the World. It's basically Poland and Denmark vs the World! Maybe, but I would back Sweden against GB in a Test Series...sadly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wiseguy Posted December 16, 2014 Report Share Posted December 16, 2014 TBF, the Swedes are hardly throwing superstars at the rest of the World. It's basically Poland and Denmark vs the World! And yet neither haven't produced a world champion since 2010 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
customhouseregular Posted December 16, 2014 Report Share Posted December 16, 2014 And yet neither haven't produced a world champion since 2010 1 World Champion does not make a Team. GB and USA have produced the last 2 World Champions but who would back either in a Test series against Poland or Denmark?. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wiseguy Posted December 16, 2014 Report Share Posted December 16, 2014 1 World Champion does not make a Team. GB and USA have produced the last 2 World Champions but who would back either in a Test series against Poland or Denmark?. Poland and Denmark of course, but I'd put us 3rd/4th after Australia For me growing up, Denmark were always the best anyway, then Sweden, so nothing new Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted December 16, 2014 Report Share Posted December 16, 2014 Maybe, but I would back Sweden against GB in a Test Series...sadly. GB vs Sweden would be pretty close. Yet Denmark B team could probably beat both. Woffy, Bomber, Scott, Stead, King, Cook, Barker and Lawson would be a match for Freddie, AJ, THJ, Lindback, Berntzon, Thorsell, Davidsson, Nilsson and PK Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uk_martin Posted December 16, 2014 Author Report Share Posted December 16, 2014 GB vs Sweden would be pretty close. I think that the top 7 British riders would struggle in a "test match" against the top 7 Latvians. GB has 2 decent spearhead riders, but behind them likes so much either mediocrity and/or inexperience. Can't do anything about mediocrity but you can do something about inexperience. Problem is that SCB/BSPA refuse to do so. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PHILIPRISING Posted December 16, 2014 Report Share Posted December 16, 2014 BEEN doing some research for a forthcoming Speedway Star feature and after his World Final win in 1985 Erik Gundersen offered to help bring along young English talent. Thirty years later he's still waiting ... 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uk_martin Posted December 16, 2014 Author Report Share Posted December 16, 2014 Woffy, Bomber, Scott, Stead, King, Cook, Barker and Lawson would be a match for... ...a match for Bryant & May to put into one of their matchboxes. That's a team for those who can't see beyond the end of next week. It's only my opinion, but I think we ought to realise that the team for the present won't win anything, so needs to be sidelined in favour of "fast tracking" the next generation. Yes we'll be beaten in everything that we enter for a couple of years, but our Chelsea Pensioner team gets handsomly beaten anyway. We need to build for 3 or 4 years down the road, and that process has to start somewhere. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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