Tsunami Posted December 27, 2014 Report Share Posted December 27, 2014 The World Cup is not the right place to give young riders "a go". You should field your strongest four. If the likes of Garrity, Newman etc. want experience racing against the best in the world, then let them find a place in the Swedish and Polish leagues, race in World and Team U21s and get their experience the same way young foreign riders do. Quite agree. If they are 'tried' in a World Cup, with no senior riders, you will undo everything confidence and ability wise. Plus it would make a mockery of the event, and the 'failure' would have a very wide public, which both riders and Team GB can do without. Far better to have lesser Test meetings against other B teams, and watch them progress this way. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uk_martin Posted December 27, 2014 Author Report Share Posted December 27, 2014 ...If the likes of Garrity, Newman etc. want experience racing against the best in the world, then let them find a place in the Swedish and Polish leagues, race in World and Team U21s and get their experience the same way young foreign riders do... Quite agree. If they are 'tried' in a World Cup, with no senior riders, you will undo everything confidence and ability wise. Plus it would make a mockery of the event, and the 'failure' would have a very wide public, which both riders and Team GB can do without. Far better to have lesser Test meetings against other B teams, and watch them progress this way. I rwspect those opinions but we are faced with a real world situation where the BSPA / SCB is only entering one person into either the World or European u21 tournament and no pairs or teams into any under-21 World or European Pairs or Team events. In any case, many of our "juniors" are over 21 and would not qualify for the events anyway. There are, to my knowledge, no u.23, u25 or in the case of some of our "Fast Track Reserves" no u29 tournaments either. So where else do these riders gain international experience? Rob Lambert and Kyle Newman have gigs in Germany and Poland respectively, and all credit to them for it, but the rest are opting for the option made so easy for them by the BSPA's cost cutting measures, of dumbing down between the British Leagues, so where's it going to happen for the next generation then? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stratton Posted December 27, 2014 Report Share Posted December 27, 2014 The World Cup is not the right place to give young riders "a go". You should field your strongest four. If the likes of Garrity, Newman etc. want experience racing against the best in the world, then let them find a place in the Swedish and Polish leagues, race in World and Team U21s and get their experience the same way young foreign riders do. You say pick the same old same old most years? No you have a vision stick with it over a period have faith, Tai and Harris pick themselves the rest is open for me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattK Posted December 27, 2014 Report Share Posted December 27, 2014 You say pick the same old same old most years? No you have a vision stick with it over a period have faith, Tai and Harris pick themselves the rest is open for me. Don't get me wrong, if Worrall, Garrity or anyone else is in the top four British riders come World Cup time, then they should absolutely be in the running. But they shouldn't get a place simply for being younger than another better performing rider. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
E I Addio Posted December 27, 2014 Report Share Posted December 27, 2014 So where else do these riders gain international experience? ? Same places that Jason Crump, Chris Holder, Darcy Ward, Troy Batchelor and Jason Doyle gained their international experience. Nobody gave them a free lunch or a FTDR place or an easy pass into the GP!s. They had to drag themselves up by they bootlaces. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spin king Posted December 27, 2014 Report Share Posted December 27, 2014 (edited) Definitely time to bring on young riders but the balance has to be right, and has to be done with the right balance of youth, experience and who is on form, be that the squad of riders and the team that is chosen. I think also you need to look at to where the meeting is been held, horses for courses the Simon Stead inclusion raised eyebrows last season, but he was a match winner at Kings Lynn a track that he rides well, the mistake Rosco made was to stick with the team when they went to the Finals in Poland. But as a speedway nation we should be introducing younger riders or less experienced riders and blooding them on the International scene. On present form I would look at maybe the following team. Tai Woffinden Chris Harris Robert Lambert Craig Cook Then a back up squad of Simon Stead Danny King Ben Barker Richie Worrall Jason Garrity Steve Worrall. Kyle Newman Edited December 27, 2014 by spin king Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattK Posted December 27, 2014 Report Share Posted December 27, 2014 I rwspect those opinions but we are faced with a real world situation where the BSPA / SCB is only entering one person into either the World or European u21 tournament and no pairs or teams into any under-21 World or European Pairs or Team events. In any case, many of our "juniors" are over 21 and would not qualify for the events anyway. There are, to my knowledge, no u.23, u25 or in the case of some of our "Fast Track Reserves" no u29 tournaments either. So where else do these riders gain international experience? Rob Lambert and Kyle Newman have gigs in Germany and Poland respectively, and all credit to them for it, but the rest are opting for the option made so easy for them by the BSPA's cost cutting measures, of dumbing down between the British Leagues, so where's it going to happen for the next generation then? I agree there seems to be a lack of a "bigger picture". Why aren't we spending riders to all these international events in order to gain experience? I'm sure the standard answer would be cost, in which case why not set up some kind of fund (similar to Kickstarter) to allow fans to make a contribution? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uk_martin Posted December 27, 2014 Author Report Share Posted December 27, 2014 ...I'm sure the standard answer would be cost, ... There's always a cost of doing something...but there again there's always a cost of NOT doing something. I also agree with E I Addio - our riders need to get their butts over to Poland and Sweden. HOWEVER it's been made all too comfortable for them to dumb down between leagues in Great Britain hasn't it? The result is going to be Ben Barkeresque career stagnation. Craig Cook is going the same way, preferring to stay in Scotland rather than developing himself abroad. All too McComfy for him up there. It's where he says his heart is, you know. Mind you, he can't afford to travel can he? I'd guess that until all the dumbing down riders have done their two year stint (starting from now and not from when they started doubling up, in some cases 2-3 years ago) nothing will happen on that score. And when their leases on dumbing down spots has run out, they's all be 2 years older and 2 years further behind the development curve that their competitors are on. Oh deep joy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spin king Posted December 27, 2014 Report Share Posted December 27, 2014 There's always a cost of doing something...but there again there's always a cost of NOT doing something. I also agree with E I Addio - our riders need to get their butts over to Poland and Sweden. HOWEVER it's been made all too comfortable for them to dumb down between leagues in Great Britain hasn't it? The result is going to be Ben Barkeresque career stagnation. Craig Cook is going the same way, preferring to stay in Scotland rather than developing himself abroad. All too McComfy for him up there. It's where he says his heart is, you know. Mind you, he can't afford to travel can he? I'd guess that until all the dumbing down riders have done their two year stint (starting from now and not from when they started doubling up, in some cases 2-3 years ago) nothing will happen on that score. And when their leases on dumbing down spots has run out, they's all be 2 years older and 2 years further behind the development curve that their competitors are on. Oh deep joy. I have to agree with you on the Craig Cook statement, I think in his case this year is the put up or shut up season. He makes a big play about wanting to ride in the GP's, but needs to broaden his horizons and ride more meetings abroad, be that Poland, Sweden or Denmark. I don't think that the doubling up does any harm, but his failure or his efforts to get rides abroad will greatly reduce his chance of moving his career along. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattK Posted December 27, 2014 Report Share Posted December 27, 2014 There's always a cost of doing something...but there again there's always a cost of NOT doing something. I'm talking more the cost of competing in World U21s, Euro Pairs etc. I'm sure fans would mind chipping in to help send riders to represent GB. Fans competing in foreign leagues should be at their own expense IMHO. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waiheke1 Posted December 28, 2014 Report Share Posted December 28, 2014 World cup should be for the strongest possible side. But bspa should be putting an engla d team into the pairs, and ideally organising test series. Surely a series against aussie or sweden could pay for itself? That would be the opportunity to give youngsters a chance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uk_martin Posted December 28, 2014 Author Report Share Posted December 28, 2014 I'm talking more the cost of competing in World U21s, Euro Pairs etc. I'm sure fans would mind chipping in to help send riders to represent GB. Fans competing in foreign leagues should be at their own expense IMHO. The governing body needs to pay for representation in international matches. The fans already pay their share with the admission money, part of which pays for teams and riders registration fees to the governing bodies. There's money in the BSPA / SCB coffers, it just needs to be spent. It's a shame when your governing body isn't interested in international competitions as you then get to the situation that the Russians are in. Their top riders (the Lagutas and Emil Saturdayjob especially) will not ride for Russia because their governing body refuses to pay the bills. So the BSPA / SCB aren't alone in having their heads in the sand, but it's not great company that they keep is it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weatherwatcher Posted December 28, 2014 Report Share Posted December 28, 2014 Unless they do something for these young riders and spend some of the money that is if anything is left now from what they got from Sky over the years. Put them in the singles and pairs at whatever level and bring teams over here for them to race against, in 3 years time we will not have a team to represent Britain, because they will still be riding as FTR or in the PL or NL, just not good enough, it is like they are tring their hardest to stop all British internatioal compertition. Won't it be just great to watch the world cup with no British team there, they should be ashamed at wr are not doing to the sport over here, and it is these people that we pay our hard earned pennies to go and watch their teams when the season strts. Time I think that the whole system had a huge shake up Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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