Countries Where League Racing Has Failed

[Guest]

_{Following the trend and success of similar leagues being set up in Holland, Sweden and Poland at the time, in the early 1950s Austria tried to set up a "true" league competition (team v team meeting on a home-and-away basis. There were two teams in Vienna that I know of, and one in Graz. The famous Leopold Killmeyer played a major part in setting up this Austria Speedway League. It faded away, though, after a few seasons.}

 

_{In the 1970s, and later on, the Austrians experimented with a revial in form of a four-team-tournament league competition similar to how Germany and Czechoslovakia ran their respective national speedway leagues.}

 

Thank you for this information Bavarian. It indicates that league racing in the accepted format failed in Austria.

[Joe Beevers]

So how many actually are there so far and was Italy and Hungary discussed. Does Japan still do speedway?

[Guest]

So how many actually are there so far and was Italy and Hungary discussed. Does Japan still do speedway?

 

Speedway in the concept that we understand was banned in Japan in the1960s as "too dangerous." At one time, Japanese speedway riders appeared albeit briefly in the UK(at Wimbledon), Australia and the USA. It has been replace by 'Auto Speedway' but there was never a league competition in the days of 'real speedway.'

These Links are a guid as to what takes place in Japan nowadays:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Auto_Race_%28Japanese_sport%29

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=73KaI_bQ56o

 

http://australianspeedway.com/threads/japanese-riders-in-australia.19345/

 

...and here's an item re Jimmy Ogisu, the Japanese rider who raced at Wimbledon.

 

http://www.national-speedway-museum.co.uk/junuchio-ogisu.html

 

 

...and Joe Beevers both Italy and Hungary have been discussed in previous Posts...and decided as countries where league racing in the accepted concept has failed.

Edited July 6, 2016 by Guest

[britmet]

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In the 1960s the league in Sweden, - at the time a top, if not the top speedway nation, taking 5 World Championship in that one decade - , was run as a 4TT competition, with the same 16-heat format as the WTC.
So I reckon one has to accept 4TTs.
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[iris123]

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In the 1960s the league in Sweden, - at the time a top, if not the top speedway nation, taking 5 World Championship in that one decade - , was run as a 4TT competition, with the same 16-heat format as the WTC.

So I reckon one has to accept 4TTs.

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Similar to the Bundesliga.Swapped from one to the other.Would be a bit strange to recognise the Bundesliga champs from a few years and not from others just because some years it was a 4tt format

[Guest]

 

Speedway in the concept that we understand was banned in Japan in the1960s as "too dangerous." At one time, Japanese speedway riders appeared albeit briefly in the UK(at Wimbledon), Australia and the USA. It has been replace by 'Auto Speedway' but there was never a league competition in the days of 'real speedway.'

These Links are a guid as to what takes place in Japan nowadays:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Auto_Race_%28Japanese_sport%29

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=73KaI_bQ56o

 

http://australianspeedway.com/threads/japanese-riders-in-australia.19345/

 

...and here's an item re Jimmy Ogisu, the Japanese rider who raced at Wimbledon.

 

http://www.national-speedway-museum.co.uk/junuchio-ogisu.html

 

 

...and Joe Beevers both Italy and Hungary have been discussed in previous Posts...and decided as countries where league racing in the accepted concept has failed.

 

My feelings are that only leagues where what we regard as 'the accepted formula' should be accepted in this discussion. By look of them, the many East European leagues running on the 4TT format and mentioned previously in this thread tend to have a 'Mickey Mouse' look about them. And even if they were accepted into this still open debate all they would do is add to the list of countries where league racing has failed.

 

::: EDIT: If some comments on the situation mentioned above are made I would like to read them. The inclusion of the many 4TT Leagues would without doubt add to the list of countries where league racing has failed.

Edited July 17, 2016 by Guest

[Guest]

Countries where league racing has failed: USA, New Zealand (in the original concept), Australia, South Africa, Holland (in the original concept), Italy (?).

Any additions to the list please? And possible reasons for the failures.

Where could it happen next?

 

​By taking into account comments made since the Opening Post, this reflects the countries where league racing has failed;

Australia

Austria

Bulgaria

Italy

Rhodesia

Romania

South Africa

Ukraine

USA

Yugoslavia

Edited July 18, 2016 by Guest

[Guest]

 

My feelings are that only leagues where what we regard as 'the accepted formula' should be accepted in this discussion. By look of them, the many East European leagues running on the 4TT format and mentioned previously in this thread tend to have a 'Mickey Mouse' look about them. And even if they were accepted into this still open debate all they would do is add to the list of countries where league racing has failed.

 

::: EDIT: If some comments on the situation mentioned above are made I would like to read them. The inclusion of the many 4TT Leagues would without doubt add to the list of countries where league racing has failed.

 

If any BSF member with a spare moment could collate in which countries 4TT competitions have failed. could they please list them. I will then update the main theme in the debate. Thank you very much indeed for any anticipated help.

[Guest]

With thoughts elsewhere on the BSF in regard to the state of British speedway, this topic appears to have regained its validity IMO.

My latest opinion is that 'salvation' could stem by accepting much of the format used in both grass track racing and Flat Track racing, plus using sidecars as much as possible as an added format to meetings.

Certainly, I think that solo racing needs a concept in which there are more riders in a race and that races need to be over at least six - or up to eight laps.

Aside from that, no definitive opinion has yet been arrived at in this thread as to why league racing has failed in so many countries.

Edited December 18, 2016 by Guest

[BOBBATH]

Somebody help me on this but wasn't there an attempt to get League racing going in Canada- e.g. Dundas, Paris, Welland -maybe even in Toronto- an attempt maybe in the mid fifties-with Alan Kidd, Stan Bradbury et al?? Maybe Tiger Tom or Andout would know.

[Guest]

Somebody help me on this but wasn't there an attempt to get League racing going in Canada- e.g. Dundas, Paris, Welland -maybe even in Toronto- an attempt maybe in the mid fifties-with Alan Kidd, Stan Bradbury et al?? Maybe Tiger Tom or Andout would know.

 

​I seem to recall dear old the late Mike Tams mentioning something about team racing and I think there were a few meetings at Dundas.

Here's a website linked to Tiger Tom who you mention.

http://www.speedwaybikes.com/rc/rtom_marriott.html

[andout]

 

​I seem to recall dear old the late Mike Tams mentioning something about team racing and I think there were a few meetings at Dundas.

Here's a website linked to Tiger Tom who you mention.

http://www.speedwaybikes.com/rc/rtom_marriott.html

Unfortunately there never was a real attempt to get formal Speedway team racing going, prime reason....Distance! This is a very BIG country!

Without lots of sponsorship money it would have been a disaster anyway.

Yes of course, we put put made up teams to create interest but never attempted league racing as we know it.

[Guest]

Problems in regard to the decline of speedway interest in the UK are underway in the BSF SPEEDWAY NEWS AND DISCUSSIONS in a thread When Did Uk Speedway Decline Start?

Edited December 24, 2016 by Guest

[Guest]

Unfortunately there never was a real attempt to get formal Speedway team racing going, prime reason....Distance! This is a very BIG country!

Without lots of sponsorship money it would have been a disaster anyway.

Yes of course, we put put made up teams to create interest but never attempted league racing as we know it.

 

Do you by any chance have details of team names and riders in the actual names please. I seem to recall that riders with British connections who may have been involved included Allan Kidd, Jeff Crawford and Mike Tams. But I am not sure now!

[iris123]

Well of minor countries that had riders, I would guess:

 

Switzerland

Belgium

Romania

Bulgaria

France

Spain

Yugoslavia

Czechoslovakia

Latvia?

Well despite all the doom and gloom France have just started up their own league.Read more and cross your fingers that it turns out to be a success

 

http://www.speedway-forum.co.uk/forums/index.php?showtopic=83403