severnsider Posted April 9, 2015 Report Share Posted April 9, 2015 I'm assuming the point being made is at Cardiff BSI are in charge of all the pre meeting entertainment, fanzone etc whereas in Warsaw it is the PZM. There is a separate website for the event and they are doing a celebration of Gollob's career with a request for people to be seated by 6pm rather than for start of the meeting. Ole Olsen's company in charge of the track which seems to be the normal case for indoor meetings Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trees Posted April 9, 2015 Report Share Posted April 9, 2015 So the PZM are paying for the hire of the stadium? They pay Olsen to prepare the track, do they take the takings from the fans entry? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f-s-p Posted April 9, 2015 Report Share Posted April 9, 2015 So the PZM are paying for the hire of the stadium? They pay Olsen to prepare the track, do they take the takings from the fans entry? PZM Is the promoter of the event. They just pay for everything. They have no rights to create income. BSI rules... LOL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PHILIPRISING Posted April 9, 2015 Report Share Posted April 9, 2015 So the PZM are paying for the hire of the stadium? They pay Olsen to prepare the track, do they take the takings from the fans entry? OF course they do... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trees Posted April 10, 2015 Report Share Posted April 10, 2015 And they sell sponsorship for the event? ☺ Or does BSI take that and of course their tv rights money? You are both so helpful ☺ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldace Posted April 10, 2015 Report Share Posted April 10, 2015 And they sell sponsorship for the event? ☺ Or does BSI take that and of course their tv rights money? You are both so helpful ☺ All this has been gone over before, it is not difficult. A local promoter pays to host a GP. That promoter keeps the gate receipts. The FIM pay the riders and BSI get TV, sponsorship money etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
racers and royals Posted April 10, 2015 Author Report Share Posted April 10, 2015 All this has been gone over before, it is not difficult. A local promoter pays to host a GP. That promoter keeps the gate receipts. The FIM pay the riders and BSI get TV, sponsorship money etc. Plus BSI give the riders a lump sum before the season starts-which Phil Rising once explained was sort of compensation for the axing of the big money additional races. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldace Posted April 10, 2015 Report Share Posted April 10, 2015 Plus BSI give the riders a lump sum before the season starts-which Phil Rising once explained was sort of compensation for the axing of the big money additional races. Also theres is additional money for the GPs in the southern hemisphere As of last year the GP winner earned $12,000 down to $1,000 for the meeting reserve. This has to cover travel accommodation etc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Humphrey Appleby Posted April 10, 2015 Report Share Posted April 10, 2015 A local promoter pays to host a GP. That promoter keeps the gate receipts. The FIM pay the riders and BSI get TV, sponsorship money etc. And the rest of speedway gets nothing, unlike pretty much any other sport. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
racers and royals Posted April 10, 2015 Author Report Share Posted April 10, 2015 Also theres is additional money for the GPs in the southern hemisphere As of last year the GP winner earned $12,000 down to $1,000 for the meeting reserve. This has to cover travel accommodation etc Pretty sure that`s not right-riders have flights and hotels paid for themselves and mechanics. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldace Posted April 10, 2015 Report Share Posted April 10, 2015 (edited) And the rest of speedway gets nothing, unlike pretty much any other sport. Well you could argue it gets mega prime time Saturday night exposure every two weeks but yes, essentially they get nothing. What though prevented to three big leagues getting together 20 odd years ago and running the GPs (or whatever form of world championship) and making the money themselves. Our promoters cant even organise a league season let alone a World Championship Pretty sure that`s not right-riders have flights and hotels paid for themselves and mechanics. "Where possible, it is recommended that riders and FIM Officials stay in the same hotel. Provided that no other agreement or arrangement has been made by the organiser, the riders, managers, FMN Officials, etc. are themselves responsible for booking or reserving their own hotel requirements directly with one of the official hotels specified in the SR, according to the given deadline or with an alternative hotel of their choice. The organiser is responsible for the possibility of each rider to book a minimum of 2 double rooms within the specified deadline. Name, address, telephone, fax number, price of rooms, deadline for booking etc. of a minimum of 2 official hotels must be clearly specified in the SR" Basically BSI will source accomodation but you pay it yourself except in the case of the southern hemisphere GPs Edited April 10, 2015 by Oldace 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DutchGrasstrack Posted April 10, 2015 Report Share Posted April 10, 2015 (edited) Pretty sure that`s not right-riders have flights and hotels paid for themselves and mechanics. I believe only in NZ the riders did not have to pay for accomodations and travels.... the other GP's they have to pay themselves. This is something that Smoli was complaining about a while ago when he was reflecting his GP season. Edited April 10, 2015 by DutchGrasstrack Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Humphrey Appleby Posted April 10, 2015 Report Share Posted April 10, 2015 What though prevented to three big leagues getting together 20 odd years ago and running the GPs (or whatever form of world championship) and making the money themselves. Our promoters cant even organise a league season let alone a World Championship That's of course their own stupidity, and even more stupidly allowing the arrangement to continue. I'd argue though, that organising a league season is more complex than organising a handful of world championship rounds, especially when you're using local organisers who can be blamed for any failures. And when they've 'done their wedge' can be cast aside and the circus moves onto the next sucker. Not quite so easy when you have responsibility to at least try to keep circuits open, for better or worse. This is something that Smoli was complaining about a while ago when he was reflecting his GP season. It's surely neither here nor there whether the accommodation gets paid out of prize money or not. The issue is the level of prize money to start with. By way of comparison, I think something like 20-25% of the revenue raised from international cricket matches goes to the players. In the SGP, they get maybe 7-8%. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
racers and royals Posted April 10, 2015 Author Report Share Posted April 10, 2015 I believe only in NZ the riders did not have to pay for accomodations and travels.... the other GP's they have to pay themselves. This is something that Smoli was complaining about a while ago when he was reflecting his GP season. Sorry I read oldace`s post wrongly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trees Posted April 10, 2015 Report Share Posted April 10, 2015 It's got to be brought up from time to time so fans can understand how ridiculous the situation is! And how BSI are feeding off our leagues for nothing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldace Posted April 10, 2015 Report Share Posted April 10, 2015 It's got to be brought up from time to time so fans can understand how ridiculous the situation is! And how BSI are feeding off our leagues for nothing. For nothing ? BSI pay the FIM handsomely for the rights to the SGP. It isn't the job of BSI to help our league, they are a commercial organisation out to make a profit. If you think money should filter down to the leagues then it is the FIM who appear to be trousering millions on the back of the SGP without giving anything back (I know they pay the prize money) 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trees Posted April 10, 2015 Report Share Posted April 10, 2015 Agreed re the FIM, and I guess if the federations who take on these meetings are daft enough to, they deserve all they get if things go wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldace Posted April 10, 2015 Report Share Posted April 10, 2015 Agreed re the FIM, and I guess if the federations who take on these meetings are daft enough to, they deserve all they get if things go wrong. Going with your assertion that BSI should be filtering money to the leagues. The SGP makes around 1.5 to 2 million a year profit. If they were to give all of it away in a straight 3 way split between the three main countries can you tell me what difference it would make here. It would amount to approx £25,000,00 per club per year. A mere fraction of the money they have managed to fritter away from SKY each year. Speedways problems cant be fixed with a small cash injection here and there, that's just sticking plasters over gaping wounds 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted April 10, 2015 Report Share Posted April 10, 2015 Agreed re the FIM, and I guess if the federations who take on these meetings are daft enough to, they deserve all they get if things go wrong. If the GPs are such wondrous money making opportunities and they don't do anything the league clubs already do then why didn't the BSPA got of their backsides and run the British GP all them years ago when they had the chance? They could be making a fortune now. In fact, Sweden, Poland and Denmark have multiple GPs, why don't the BSPA get off their backsides now and run the English GP? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dabbsjoe Posted April 10, 2015 Report Share Posted April 10, 2015 If the GPs are such wondrous money making opportunities and they don't do anything the league clubs already do then why didn't the BSPA got of their backsides and run the British GP all them years ago when they had the chance? They could be making a fortune now. In fact, Sweden, Poland and Denmark have multiple GPs, why don't the BSPA get off their backsides now and run the English GP? they struggle enough to run an 8 team league Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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